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Monolith · Feb 19, 2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"Keep the service working as well as possible."

Does the presence of N*mrod seem to be hindering you? IMO, it is.

You'll have to explain further how you believe the presence of Nimrod is hindering the service.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"If something by a user needs to be changed, change it in the most reasonably minimal way."

You mean replacing stuff like "Crashers are ghey!!!11one" with "Server Number 1"? Hooray for censorship. I only thought it existed here and in the United States.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"Don't change any of the server names, unless it conflicts with the other rules."

See above note on censorship.

I still stand by these rules.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"If a server is listed, but cannot be joined, then remove it from the list after a reasonable amount of time (like a few minutes)."

Nebula's list server does that, thus rendering that task useless.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"In the case that a game server name somehow interferes with the service, it should be altered only so far as it needs to in order for it to no longer be an interference. For example, a game server name contains some special characters that mess up the list."

Nebula has also taken care of that. YAY.

Nebula's list server was made to comply with these rule.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"Keep the servers within legal bounds."

Do explain why I got a link to Jazz3D, then.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"It is necessary for the service to remain within legal bounds because otherwise it could be shut down by legal action."

See above the notice about the link to JJ3D. Also, that server just happened to be Overlord's. PWNED!!

An illegal link shouldn't be something you got from the list servers. Although if it was a case where the URL was given as the name of a server, then that would be an appropriate case for the list server admins to rename that server, because the server name could be considered violating this rule.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"The list server service was made to work as a network of list servers. All servers must maintain the same set of rules/protocols/whatever, because otherwise the network will fall apart."

As of now, there are two networks.

The "original" Jazz network - jazz.contrabandent.com, formerly jazz.logicware.com. Since nobody uses it, there is little need to go there.

The "sadly unofficial" Jazz network - split between jazz.n*mrod-online.com and jazz.madskills.org. Power is abused in some of the most rediculous ways possible.

Which one do you think follows the rules? Both of them. Which one do you think enforces them to the point where it's rediculous? The unofficial one.

The list server jazz.contrabandent.com was removed from the network because it's flakey service was disrupting the service of the network.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"Any attempts to damage or degrade the service can be considered abuse. Any user actions that require repeated administrator intervention can also be considered a form of abuse. If an administrator finds it necessary, they can block a user from the service such that it prevents their abuse."

Does that involve crashing servers? Because I see in no way that it disrupts your service. The only service it interferes with is your client's, who are providing the servers that the people will be playing on. You are in no way related to what goes on with the servers, just the lists. Which reminds me, if I do start a new list server network, then I'll just tell users to use PeerGuardian or whatever to prevent crashes on the services provided by them.

It is true that this does not account for crashing game servers. This draft of the rules was written before I concented to the first network banning of a user for mass disruption of games listed on the list servers.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

"There are two types of administrators: local and global."

Global administrator: Nimrod
Local administrators: Monolith and Nimrod

If the local and global administrator functions were actually implemented, then both Nimrod and I would start out as both global and local admins. But as it is now, the features don't yet exist for these administrative levels to be put into action. And I don't know why there's an incomplete sentence in the part about local admins.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

In conclusion, I have thus proven that you are both trying to enforce rules that do not apply to your list servers whatsoever. Let me get this into your heads in case you've denied it already: Crashes on servers do not affect the list service that you are providing. You do NOT own the servers that are on the lists.

I agree with you that what happens in the game servers does not effect the list server network. However, since the incident with Orbitz, I have come to realize that if it happens that the list server network can aid the community in thwarting consistant attackers, then it would be better for the list server network to take rather than do nothing at all.