why even bother arguing? You all just are bored and want something to do, and if that's getting somebody banned from list servers, i guess that's what it takes, but i am a GOOD hacker! I don't do evil hacking anymore. Oh, btw, jam's got his little hacking forum too. I don't know if giving out the address of it is a good idea and i was supposed to not tell anybody but he's (-) me off to the point of where i will let you all know of his evilness. he acts all innocent posting files that are supposively meant to stop hackers but i think that's to mask his evilness!!!