This thread makes me remember a conversation I had with (community legend) Mez in an abandoned Anniversary Bash server, where he told me how glad he was JJ2 didn't have a ladder system, since that generally made people care more and more about competition and little about just playing for the fun of it and fairplay. He said it was noticeable from the friendliness of the community and the "fun" people were able to have that we did not have such a system, and bade us to never create such a thing, since the uncompetitiveness was the thing that set this community apart. I even have the conversation on log somewhere I think.

Just relaying.

(to be completely honest, the people in this community who just have a fun time, *do* like some competitive play but wouldn't really care about reputation, ego, etc, seem to me the people generally who make this community so fun and pleasant)