That screenshot is average.

I'd be carefull with using that amount of Water in that level, since movement in it is very slow and limiting, and it's a lot harder to aim/dodge bullets. While the idea may fit with the theme you're aiming for, but when the level gets put into practise players will probably be annoyed by the generally slow gameplay, and not have an enjoyable time playing.

Water can be put to good use if the level is made so that players aren't forced to use it to get from base to base, instead they only need to use it as an extra route which could provide them with some advantages strategically than if they took the faster route(s).

Just keep this in mind.

Forgive me if I made any typing mistakes, I'm in a bit of a hurry.

It's not a CTF now. Removed the Bases and changed it to Battle.
Also, I have changed the Background.
More screens to come!

mm, battle :-D

I think I'm more into battle than into ctf now btw

Originally Posted by Eigus

mm, battle :-D

I think I'm more into battle than into ctf now btw

Same

Battle is cool ;D. but ctf = best.

In gameplay probably yes, but I am way more into playing the oldies 'n' goodies for various teamgames and such. I don't mind seeing new CTFs in some public servers (hell, I love it), but still, I am way more into battle now. (especially in leveldesign, though I am heavily deinspirated right now and it would be arduous to make a level for me )

...did I just write some kind of nonsense or it is just me?

"deinspirated"

I am defascinated by Eigus' root word misuse.

The lava doesn't fit, it needs more depth and/or detail and a slight color change. I love how the sewers look. The palette makes the city part look ugly though.

I like the overall look of those screenshots. You're right that the lava looks wrong though. It's way too bright or something, also why is there a giant waterfall of lava in the middle of a city in the first place?

I originally added the blood falls to try and give the level a more "devastated" feel, although I agree with you about the fact that they do look a little strange with this tileset. These ones are only temporary until I make some new ones from scratch, and/or edit the palette. I'll also probably use them in the sewers only.

About the city palette, I intentionally made the palette look dull as it supports the atomsphere. I might change this though.

EDIT: Better?

You know what PJ, this palette looks like something I wanted for a level once. ...cooba...

The blood falls look weird here I like the palette, though. Supports the atmosphere.

If you want a sort of waterfall that fits in a bit better, I suggest dirty water. Some sort of brown, or muddy blue colour would work. Lava/blood is more dramatic and all, but it really does not fit the theme. You kind of need everything to be on fire for that to work.

Originally Posted by PurpleJazz

The fence behind the gate looks too artificial. The palette changes are good though more contrast is needed (Nick Stadler never used simple generated gradients himself). I like how the sprites turned out.

Or you can replace the black shading in the waterfall with yellowish grey, making it look like, well, pee and slime.

Oh, also, I liked the red clothes, the new palette change makes the fencer looks rotten.

pretty dead, yet i see 5 livng creatures wtf!

Maybe they are zombies!

I've now edited the falls so that they match the colour of the water pools in the sewers. Don't feel like posting yet another screenshot at the moment.

Good job, PJ.
I can beta that when the time comes, if you like.

Am I the only one who thinks that the waterfall tiles PJ is using look ugly as sin? I mean aside from a few of the problems already mentioned (I.E. Magical floating waterfall, waterfall's colors seem off, fence looks out of place) the - scratch that sentence I was writing. The only thing preventing me from enjoying the screenshots are the waterfalls.
Aside from that (and the fence thing), good job PJ.

Originally Posted by n00b

Am I the only one who thinks that the waterfall tiles PJ is using look ugly as sin? I mean aside from a few of the problems already mentioned (I.E. Magical floating waterfall, waterfall's colors seem off, fence looks out of place) the - scratch that sentence I was writing. The only thing preventing me from enjoying the screenshots are the waterfalls.
Aside from that (and the fence thing), good job PJ.

I know, these are a little bit out of place; I was pretty tired at the time of making this, and a little rushed, so I didn't really put in enough logical thinking I admit. However, quite a few major changes have been made since then and these problems are no longer present. I'm now using different waterfalls, ones which don't look as ugly.

The reason those waterfalls, or the ones that were popular a while back with other tileset conversions, or basically any waterfall in any tile ever, do look "ugly as sin" is because they have nothing to do with the perspective of the tileset they're in. JJ2 uses a much more complex graphic style than JJ1 and that lesson is not being learned in this one crucial field. Compare the water pools from Jungle and, in fact, Colonius - they're not flat and full-tile. In JJ1 they would be, but this isn't JJ1. I've used this example before, but here's what waterfalls (and heck, water in general) should look like in an isometric game like JJ2.

I wasn't even thinking of perspective. I was more concerned with the fact that its an extremely horrendous gradient that doesn't match the style (which kind of includes perspective too, I guess) of the rest of the set.

Well, what are you waiting for people, go make some Megaman X4 conversions!

@Eigus: looks interesting, the mutated skull is a nice concept but I suppose the bricks below it don't look too good

Probably looks wrong because of the fog

I like the "foggy" effect.

Can't say much about the rest, though the morphed skulls underwater don't look very pretty.

It's in fact more logical for distant background objects to be light than dark, because of fog/distance fog.
Then again, if it's real damn far away, it could just as well be dark, but on the other hand it's a nice and much underused style to make it light.

Alas, that's about the only thing worth a compliment about those pics.

If those mutated skulls were used as torches elsewhere, that would be cool. Unfortunately the tileset won't support that, and to me it just looks wierd how it is now. Besides that, I don't see any other real problems in the screenshot.

Hmz, I really hate that hocus pocus tileset. It makes jazz 2 looks kinda retro

o_o Cool! I hope you didnt do that rocket fast thing Also, this is reminding me of Zelda, the first water image especially. They look great, keep up the good work. I hope there are puzzles (that aren't annoying) and use mere logic or a bit of brains, or better yet, some fun gameplay gimmicks

Thanks Rag

Unfortunately my brain is kinda off so you'll probably have to give me some ideas

In these levels there'll be many paths except for the main ones, some will be hidden, but all must be explored to finish the levels Maybe I'll even include backtracking to previous levels if you forget to take anything or stuff like that.

I've always wanted to see a "backtrack" bonus level... Maybe one hidden somewhere very greatly in the level, and you'll have TNTs which will let you do certain things or you're a bird this time so you can go higher or something. Maybe even it's been destroyed or taken over.. iono, be creative.

Originally Posted by Eigus

my brain is kinda off

I just had to quote that.

Regarding the level, it's nice to see you used a normal skull for once, and if you want puzzle ideas, start with boulders, or switches that make the water go higher lower to break chests. TDII uses this trick for one of it's levels.

Originally Posted by Valco

it's nice to see you used a normal skull for once

;pppp



Sorry, I couldn't resist This is the main bad guy of the pack. No, he isn't the monk that gave you the magical flying carrot. This is the Summoner. wellnameimpliesstuffplzthxbye. He was once a monk from the castle where there's the water dungeon and other stuff, but he was banished from there because he studied black magic. He wants to destroy everything that is related to the white mages' castle. So if your rabbit has been sent by the white mages to destroy Summoner, then he wants to destroy your rabbit.

UGH I SUCK AT DESCRIPTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THIS

So, uh, he is the main bad guy and wants to destroy the white mages and because of that you must destroy him.

or something like that

Also this is the corridor that connects the white mages' castle with the Summoner's castle.