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man i have no idea what's even going on in this thread anymore

In response to Stijn's question, most of the potential problems are things that don't appear right away - especially sensitive members leaving the forum because of low reputation, people bragging about high reputation, people repeatedly going offtopic to talk about someone's reputation (similar to how some people go offtopic to discuss post counts), and perhaps most importantly, especially sensitive members being hesitant to post anything potentially controversial out of fear for their precious reputation points.

Of course, some might consider those to be good things.
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Sep 28, 2010, 12:16 PM
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Also, repping is another uncontrolled way of flaming eachother, but PMs can be used as well, so yeah... This doesn't contribute at all, I guess, but I'm gonna post this anyway because I don't fear for rep.
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Well there will be that case I'm afraid. It all depends on why you lost that rep as well. People may not respect you for some of those posts. I don't care what you have said in the past, since you got to live in the moment, if you have made a decent post then no one is gonna neg rep you, and your become more "respectable" from it.
There are people who negrep for no apparent reason and people who gain 'reputation' for no apparent reason.
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the poster above me, what with his low reputation and all...
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I believe I told the most of my arguments already. I'd personally like to hear why actually should we keep the feature. I think I only heard two arguments of your side:
1. It should make people think twice before posting - sure, nice one, although it doesn't work like that. People with currently high rep don't need to think before posting, what's a chance they'd lose the whole huge amount of points they have? Besides, other high rep people like them, only some newbies could actually negrep them and what would be the effect? One, maybe two points of loss, what's the matter. On the other hand, those newbies with low rep are scared of posting. They're not only thinking twice, they think ten times and in the result don't press the button not to lose even more rep.
2. The number helps in finding out who's writing the best posts - and, as has been said multiple times, this doesn't work as well. "The number means nothing/not much" I've seen much times. I think mostly people on your side were saying so. If it means nothing, what do need it for? It's useless, isn't it? Does it make some of you smile after noticing that your nothing-meaning-number is higher than mine? Do you need an appreciation of this kind? Because I can't understand why do you keep saying it's not something to care about, it's meaningless, but at the same time the reputation counter is helpful and it can't be deleted, and so I'm an immature drama queen deserving to be negrepped.
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I believe the intention is to provide useful feedback on posts (whether it actually does that is open for debate).
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I like this feature because:

1. It's funny to see reputation comments, especially after making a really bad post...

2. "this will become a forum of delusion" would have never been typed if it wasn't for this thread

3. it made snooze get mad again, and a bunch of other people are kind of mad for some reason

4. It made fquist post a graph (I would have given reputation but it wouldn't let me!!!)

5. It's actually kind of interesting if you use it for its intended purpose

Basically it makes the jcf slightly more interesting. Just stop taking it so seriously!
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I support the reputation system. Obviously idiots will use it for unintended purposes, but it is actually entertaining for all the reasons Mike just stated.
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The main argument I've seen in favor of reputation is that it provides feedback on posts, and the main argument against is the evaluation of people based on their rep number. So I have yet another proposal: make the number private. That way you still see how you're doing and what people think of your posts, but you don't get judged.
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So I have yet another proposal: make the number private. That way you still see how you're doing and what people think of your posts, but you don't get judged.
I had this idea before as well and I agree with it. It has its flaws but I like it. The second possibility I found was exactly opposite - making it fully public, so everyone can see why and who negrepped someone. In this way, you could actually get an opinion about a given member (let's say, seeing he's got negrep mainly from people you don't respect and they gave it out without a real reason, while positive rep from people you like). The problem of this solution is obvious, everyone can see what you wrote and thus dislike and negrep you just due to your comment.

But I believe we're mature enough not to do such things, aren't we?
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This thread keeps me laughing like a maniac.
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But I believe we're mature enough not to do such things, aren't we?
Some of us, maybe.
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Sir, I never saw you playing JJ2. What's your alias in the game?
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He has a bad computer, so he can't really play JJ2 online.
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I like this feature because:

1. It's funny to see reputation comments, especially after making a really bad post...

2. "this will become a forum of delusion" would have never been typed if it wasn't for this thread

3. it made snooze get mad again, and a bunch of other people are kind of mad for some reason

4. It made fquist post a graph (I would have given reputation but it wouldn't let me!!!)

5. It's actually kind of interesting if you use it for its intended purpose

Basically it makes the jcf slightly more interesting. Just stop taking it so seriously!
This, yes.
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He has a bad computer, so he can't really play JJ2 online.
Such a bad one?
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Such a bad one?
Have you ever seen JJ2 on 1 fps? I see it usually after joining a server. My record was about 20 fps (empty server, low detail, 8-bit mode, 320x200, etc. - but it's impossible to play like that anyway).
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Have you ever seen JJ2 on 1 fps? I see it usually after joining a server. My record was about 20 fps (empty server, low detail, 8-bit mode, 320x200, etc. - but it's impossible to play like that anyway).
I daresay that sounds like a device that shouldn't be called a computer at all.
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Next your be telling us he's on win95.
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If I remember correctly, he has XP.
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It's 2000, some time ago (maybe a year) I upgraded it from 98. For some reason everything started to work even slower then... Anyway, this is not a thread about my computer (or as my friends used to call it: "toaster", in the best case "calculator"), get back on topic.
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I agree with EvilMike 100%. The only form of regulation I'd add personally is disabling posting new threads for people with negative reputation. They could still post fine, just unable to start any new threads.

I also think that this thread causes more trouble than the system itself, and if you were to (temporarily) close this thread, the problems would go away instantly.
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The only form of regulation I'd add personally is disabling posting new threads for people with negative reputation. They could still post fine, just unable to start any new threads.
Torkell's idea about "bonuses for high rep and penalties for low rep" was half of the reasons I even started this whole thing. While as for now reputation is indeed, as EvilMike says, in a way just a "funny" feature, if it'd have any effect on "serious" features (such as posting or creating new threads) it would suck. If this number means nothing, I don't want it to decide about my privileges.

Edit: Also, a disablity to start new threads is just another reason to off-topic in the existing ones. You can already sometimes see newcomers saying that "I'm just posting here because it didn't let me create a new thread". The negrepped people could do just the same but all the time. It's not a solution.
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The reputation feature isn't 1:1 at all... People might negrep others out of spite. Thus any form of penalty for low rep is a horribly messed up idea.
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I also think that this thread causes more trouble than the system itself, and if you were to (temporarily) close this thread, the problems would go away instantly.
Agreed. This has become a thread of delusion and I'm closing it. For specific complaints about reputation, well, you can PM an admin or open a new thread if it's really specific and not just general speculating and complaining.
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