Language filter

[Nitro]

Inspired by Flash's post in the misc forum, but this one not like he said 'to get some funny comments' and stuff, but to try and make a change around here.

Basically I think there filter is too harsh, and most of the people in that post also agreed on that I think.

[Nitro]

My vote is between option #1 and #2. but I chose 1 because #1 is too harsh but #2 makes a small difference in something not SO important and is sort of pointless.

[Fawriel]

Some words could be unbanned. But only a few.

[Violet CLM]

As long as I can safely say "Turtle shell" I'm happy.

[Risp_old]

Cuss words are not really needed for intelligent conversation.

[Trafton]

This poll is a tad bit biased. You should have an option to make the filter more harsh if you have two for less harsh.

I think as swear words go, it is fine as it is. However, I personally think false positives like certain combinations of letters in the middle of a word should be fixed.

[Nitro]

Traftonn you are right, what would you sudgest I was thinking about that too....but on the other hand I can't see how it could be more harsh lol.

RSPS, do I look like an inteLijant person who will converse with you? ((: alot of people would like it to be less harsh.

[Risp_old]

If you are debating, curse words and such are only used to make up for your lack of debating talent. The only other time I can think of where someone would use curse words (besides insulting people, of course, but that is another thing entirely) is if you rant to let off your feelings. And isn't there LiveJournal for that?

Oh, and I guess you might post curse words if you post Rap lyrics. But I have a personal vendetta with rap, so that is perfectally fine in my eyes. Anyway, who really needs to post lyrics? Chances are, the people who would like the lyrics have already heard the song.

[cooba]

But I have a personal vendetta with rapSo do I.

I hate that I have to say 'turtle $hells' (at least on J2O) or 'level uses (-)'. Besides, nothing against filter.

Derby: Filter bypass removal. You cannot bypass the filter for exceptions.

[Nitro]

RSPS I dunno what ya mean really your thing about debating is right but a debate is just like an arguement but with a licky kind of name.
Cussing people you don't like is an important part of life, and letting off feelings as ya said it is even more important.
What is live journal?

Derby: Content removal. Using only a part of a filtered word is technically bypassing the filter.

[Nitro]

Oh and what's rap got to do with this? you make it all complicated hahaha [:

[Risp_old]

1. Debating is more formal than arguing.
2. Do you really need to be able to cuss at people you find annoying everywhere you feel like? You won't die if there is a place you can't spew all the curses you know whenever you feel like it.
3. LiveJournal is this place where you can rant about your life and such and people might actually listen. I don't have an account nor do I want one.
4. Rap lyrics (or, at least, lyrics from the more popular type of rap) often have curse words in them.

[Stijn]

There have been countless discussions about the filter before and everytime the filter didn't change at all. Give up :P

[Fawriel]

Turtle shells is filtered on the J2O? o_0

[Nitro]

1. You got to stop sounding mature cos in anyone cool's opinion you sound nerdy.
2. where else would i "complain" about the people who annoy me if not beside them and their peers?
3. live journal sounds weird, I wouldn't spill my life out to people I don't know
4. you still lost me......what the heck is rap got to do with this?

[cooba]

Turtle shells is filtered on the J2O? o_0
http://www.freewebs.com/xooba/Shells.JPG

[Violet CLM]

Wasn't that fixed at some point? I thought it was.

[FQuist]

1. You got to stop sounding mature cos in anyone cool's opinion you sound nerdy.
2. where else would i "complain" about the people who annoy me if not beside them and their peers?
3. live journal sounds weird, I wouldn't spill my life out to people I don't know
4. you still lost me......what the heck is rap got to do with this?

1. Maybe in the place where you live. I don't see how using the word "formal" makes RSPSS FR sound nerdy. Can he help it that he has a large(r) vocabulary?
2. This is not an argument in favour of being able to swear on the JCF as personal attacks are forbidden anyway. You would have to drop that rule, too (which is a stupid thing to do).
3. Then why do you say "2. where else would i "complain" about the people who annoy me if not beside them and their peers?"? Isn't that kind of the same as spilling out your life to people you don't know?
4. Some people post rap lyrics. They are partly censored because of their use of strong words. Hence some people might want to not censor those words so they can post uncensored rap songs.

There's no use to taking away the filter here. You can swear all you want, it just gets replaced by something else. It still feels like you've sweared. What's the use of not doing it? There is none. This board, especially the jazz-related forums, gets lots of visits from young people, and lots of people object to having swearword-filled boards (what would happen here without the censor). So there's no reason to cease the censoring of swear words.

[cooba]

This board, especially the jazz-related forums, gets lots of visits from young people.How old people are considered as 'young'? Below 7 years? 10? 12? 14?

[Trafton]

Oh, it could get stricter. Much stricter. Care to have "idiot" filtered? Some boards do it (I believe the default installation of EZBoard, does, but then again, it's EZBoard.)

"Turtle shell" was accidentally filtered on J2O because it contained the word "hell." Similarly, on J2O, we have ceased editing the name of a Jazz 2 tileset when used in that context, even if it is filtered here.

[Fawriel]

Oooooh, get it.
Well. The strictness could be reduced a little. I don't support swearing at all, but I once got a swearing for having an excerpt of The Offspring lyrics in my signature, containing the word "hell". It made the lyrics far more expressive than singing "what the heck is going on", doesn't it?

[Blackraptor]

I personally don't really care because it's not like anything is going to happen anyways =D.

[Black Ninja]

It is my opinion it should remain as it is. However, words in the middle of a word should be fixed. Example: The Chronicles of Rid****. Nothing wrong with the movie, but the name is censored. That kind of thing needs fixing.

[VelKa]

I agree that some false positives need fixing, although the filter obviously isn't perfect. (I've seen some pretty odd ones occur.) Otherwise I don't have any problems with the filter. If I want/need to swear, I have my personal LiveJournal₁ to use and abuse. Yes, I'm not exclusively a goody-goody person; I can (and do) curse much like the "cool" people we speak of. Seriously, I don't understand how people can constantly use the eff-word in debates and expect to sound dignified and intelligent. Call it "nerdy" if you desire - but as some people already mentioned, what's wrong with sounding intelligent? What's wrong with having strong enough skills (when it comes to debating) that you don't <i>need</i> to swear? Swearing is similar to personal attacks in debating; it only shows that you have a juvenile thinking process and cannot speak coherently in a mature fashion. Once in a while, we might slip and utter a swearword out of frustration. Right now, there's nothing wrong with the filter in my opinion. Since I don't post here that often anymore, I couldn't care less. If you must swear, http://www.livejournal.com/ is definitely the place to be. I think that LiveJournal is probably the best place to spam, swear <s>and complain about life</s>.

Whenever I get into an argument/debate with someone who always insists on swearing, I feel like laughing at them. Get a LiveJournal and swear in there. By keeping my essay-writing/preaching talents AND foul language restricted to a LiveJournal, I can avoid getting yelled at here for preaching or swearing, and I'm still being "cool"₂. That should explain why I don't post here that often anymore.

Anyway, the only problem I have with the filter is when I post a story with false positives and they get filtered. It's a minor annoyance, but nothing terribly inconvenient.

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[Tubz]

Make the filter less harsh,

Some/most people are way too immature on this board, to do away with the filter. But the obvious and known fact of the matter is, the filter is too rediculous.

[Tubz]

If you are debating, curse words and such are only used to make up for your lack of debating talent. The only other time I can think of where someone would use curse words (besides insulting people, of course, but that is another thing entirely) is if you rant to let off your feelings. And isn't there LiveJournal for that?

Oh, and I guess you might post curse words if you post Rap lyrics. But I have a personal vendetta with rap, so that is perfectally fine in my eyes. Anyway, who really needs to post lyrics? Chances are, the people who would like the lyrics have already heard the song.

Comments on your whole post...

Lack of debating talent? Ehh, no. It adds spice to conversation sometimes. Isn't LJ for that? Yes and no, yes you could use it. But anything basically goes apparently in Misc. Stuff. And some people do vent out their feelings in Misc. Stuff, I have seen topics like that in the past. Not that much nowadays though.

Nice stereotype of rap buddy. If you can say rap, you can very well say, just about almost all artists of Rock. And basically every single metal and death metal. Not every single rap singer, I still could name at least 5 bands/artists in rap that never used profanity in their discography.

[Risp_old]

Eh. I would rather keep people from adding spice to an argument then allow people to make an argument from spice.

You call me a stereotyper after calling every single person who called you a spammer horrid spammers? Even people like Link who I almost never see post anymore?

[Tubz]

^^^

Now we need to get Link into this now, geez. I can't say anything but....if he's not on the forum much and posts, how would he know anywyay? Pyro, summed up how I post basically.

HAHAHAHA, that was pretty funny :D. But Tublear doesn't seem like a spammer to me. His topics have purposes which you can reply to, and discuss, and find something out about each other. Or, you can just ignore them if you aren't interested, but that wouldn't necessarily make them spam. If he posted a ton of opinion topics and nobody replied to them (yet he still kept posting them) then he could be counted a spammer. But so far I see discussions, replies, and interest in his topics.
Also, just because someone posts a lot replies it doesn't make them a spammer. It means that they participate (so long as they stay on topic).
JJ Tublear doesn't need my defense either, I just wrote this because I think some people's opinion of spam is skewed.

And I won't vote or comment on the other people because I don't really know their posting habits.

[Monolith]

I like people who can express their thoughts without using vulgarity.

It is sometimes annoying when you're trying to say something that contains a filtered word. One example is when trying to use Japanese, the suffix for past tense verbs uses the two Japanese letters shi and ta. Unfortunately those together get filtered out. Example: eiga o mima****a -- I watched a movie. Not that this is vitally important for most conversations here.

[Risp_old]

You were the one to call everyone who calls you a spammer an excessive spammer. Link voted for you as a larger spammer than Radium or Krezack.
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=10527

I do agree, that quote does illustrate the view of yourself you try to pound into our heads. That's about all.

[Nitro]

Blackraptor is right but I can't help arguing and I enjoy it (((: so i'll just go on folks:
Quist:1. He sounds like a bloody nerd... he sounds like he's trying to be mature that's what nerds sound like. We're the youth not some adult wannabies. 2. that is true but let's say we are 'debating' about if salt is good with tomatoes then I want to be able to say that it tastes like and then but in some word that will get censored. 3. that thaught crossed my mind when posting, and no, it's not the same cos they know me and the other dude and whatever is between us. 4. i understood that but that got very little to do with this post still lol.
But about the last bit you said in your post, that's wrong because in some post of mine I go "What the (curse word)?!" and it is replaced as "What the (four stars)?!" and Derby comes along editing it into "What?!" now I feel there like he is some egocentral person on some quest to mak the JCF his ideal eden. I call that farty.

[VelKa]

I believe Fquist is almost an adult (?). I am almost an adult, too. Therefore should we not adopt "adult"-like qualities before becoming legally adults? Exempli gratia, if I was a university-level English instructor and had to constantly read through papers full of curse words and other shoddy grammatical errors, I wouldn't consider the person/people who wrote the essays very mature, much less conscious of what was going on.

[Radium]

he sounds like he's trying to be mature
At least <i>he's</i> trying.

[Fawriel]

At least <i>he's</i> trying.
Word! ^_^

[FQuist]

Micheal: "He sounds like a bloody nerd... he sounds like he's trying to be mature that's what nerds sound like. We're the youth not some adult wannabies"

Have you thought of it that it might be his normal way of typing/speaking? Believe it or not but before this modern wired age people, including youths, didn't write in sms/e-mail language. I generally try to write good english with good punctuation on forums and it's not like I'm a nerd..uh..or actually I am, but it's just my writing style.

[Stijn]

I am a nerd! I use proper punctuation, capitals and usually everybody can understand what I say!

You have to agree, that sound stupid. If someone can spell well and writes sentences as they should be that doesn't mean you're a nerd. And actually, I couldn't understand most of your posts, because they were full of **** (that's not a filtered out word) and there were lots of capitals and full stops missing.

[cooba]

My nerdness consists of grammar which improved since a year.

[Nitro]

Megumi you're doing it too now hehe [:
Radium, thats exactly my point he sounds so weak like that man.
Quist, it's the nerd style you said it yourself in your last line even if as a joke.
True, Flash, but you can tell the diff by those small things that you can't really put into words, or I might just be banned if i put them in words i don't know. Oh and who cares about the grammar? the english teacher does, I can go eat her if i want good grades but what is the point of that here?!

[Stijn]

I care about grammar. Compare this:

I wants to making good levels with helps for many plays
I want to make good levels and I need help from other players

Alright, that's somewhat exaggerated, but I hope you get my point. If it was Dutch I would probably understand, but English is not my first language so correct Grammar is somewhat required to make a post easy to read.

[Risp_old]

I don't see the point of misspelling things on purpose, unless I want to mock someone.

[Radium]

I don't see the point of misspelling things on purpose, unless I want to mock someone.
omb u r totly a nard :god:
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radium[ClaN]
wil u join my clan? it is many good

[cooba]

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[Tubz]

Blackraptor is right but I can't help arguing and I enjoy it (((: so i'll just go on folks:
Quist:1. He sounds like a bloody nerd... he sounds like he's trying to be mature that's what nerds sound like. We're the youth not some adult wannabies. 2. that is true but let's say we are 'debating' about if salt is good with tomatoes then I want to be able to say that it tastes like and then but in some word that will get censored. 3. that thaught crossed my mind when posting, and no, it's not the same cos they know me and the other dude and whatever is between us. 4. i understood that but that got very little to do with this post still lol.
But about the last bit you said in your post, that's wrong because in some post of mine I go "What the (curse word)?!" and it is replaced as "What the (four stars)?!" and Derby comes along editing it into "What?!" now I feel there like he is some egocentral person on some quest to mak the JCF his ideal eden. I call that farty.

I really should have said this yesterday. But this was uncalled for. I may not like F.Quist at all, but really, stereotyping is pretty much wrong and should be avoided at all costs. It's inappropriate and should stay off the boards. That's 1 way of inducing hate into the forumz.

[Fawriel]

Michael..
You are a perfectly normal teenager. In other words, you need help.

[cooba]

I claim this page for my high grammar skillz, and you can't deny it.

[Tubz]

Michael..
You are a perfectly normal teenager. In other words, you need help.

You're not at all funny. Leave him alone, you make it worse, and you look stupid when you try to make fun of him. Put it to rest already, in other words, END IT! Stop fighitng.

[Fawriel]

*shrugs* You make it look like you were the only ones with the right to say what you're thinking.
That's just my opinion about kids these days. And I have my reasons for it.
Besides, who are you to tell me I look stupid?

[FQuist]

He didn't call you stupid, Piccolo.

Tublear: thanks for defending me, but he wasn't actually referring to me. Defend RSPSS FR instead.

[cooba]

Defend RSPSS FR instead.That's MY job! =(

Derby: Content removal. The filtered word removed was used in a most unnecessary manner.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by RSPSS FR
I don't see the point of misspelling things on purpose, unless I want to mock someone.
That's pretty true. I agree on that one.

Originally Posted by JJ Tublear
but really, stereotyping is pretty much wrong and should be avoided at all costs. It's inappropriate and should stay off the boards. That's 1 way of inducing hate into the forumz.
STereotyping is not much to do with this, and half of stereotyping is perfectly correct, there are alot of wrong ones. (like i was born in England, lived there 7 years and AM I POLITE?! DO I LIKE TEA?! no and no.)

Originally Posted byPiccolo
Michael..
You are a perfectly normal teenager. In other words, you need help.
There is piccolo with the mature sounding crap.....I prolly am but what are you? a perfectly un normal teenager then, you just hit ya self with yourown fist.

[quote]Originally Posted by JJ Tublear
You're not at all funny. Leave him alone, you make it worse, and you look stupid when you try to make fun of him. Put it to rest already, in other words, END IT! Stop fighitng.[quote]
He wasn't really funny i agree, but he don't look stupid well relativly he doesn't. He failed making fun of me cos I just took it as the mature thing again. Stop fighting... I am debating! I sure you'd want to fight or debate or whatever but just want to suck up to mods.

[Nitro]

Oh and after looking at ya profile Picollo, wanna guess when you was born? same year as me. we are both 16.
<big><b>CONTRADICT!</b></BIG>

[MoonBlazE]

Make the filter less harsh,

Some/most people are way too immature on this board, to do away with the filter. But the obvious and known fact of the matter is, the filter is too rediculous.Can you provide constructive examples on uses of current filtered swearing words? I have seen much, much much stricter filters than this one.

Please care to explain why you think the majority of the board members are immature to you.

[Fawriel]

Oh and after looking at ya profile Picollo, wanna guess when you was born? same year as me. we are both 16.
<big><b>CONTRADICT!</b></BIG>
..erm. You've got to explain the meaning of THAT to me. In what way is it a contradiction that we are the same age?

And. *salutes* I'm a proud freak. Wheehey!

[Tubz]

Can you provide constructive examples on uses of current filtered swearing words? I have seen much, much much stricter filters than this one.

Please care to explain why you think the majority of the board members are immature to you.

To your second paragraph no, that's a waste of time. It's not they are immature, It's that they spam at the wrong time, that's my problem with some of the board members, not majority.

To your first paragraph....
~**** Tracy
-The Chronocles of Rid****.

What the hell is the point Moonblaze, do you make any sense at all, how can I really? You know Derby is gonna edit me, he doesn;'t care if a profane word was used as part of a title of a movie or character or whatever, he just will edit it anyway!

I thought KR Splat's post in another topic, would remain as it is. It was just examples, It gets edited anyway!

[MoonBlazE]

I don't really understand why the word filter needs ajustedment then... Just so you can type an unusual name that contains a swearing word? That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Nitro]

You calling yourself a freak...you explained it to yaself Piccolo.

[FQuist]

" You calling yourself a freak...you explained it to yaself Piccolo."

That's just a bad remark in many ways. It has nothing to do with the matter you're talking about, it's also a debating tactic that doesn't further conversation in any way - it's just an alternative way of saying "HAHA I'm right! you lose!" without replying to people's points. You say you're debating but rather you're just throwing around remarks that do not reply to what people say.

Debating, which you say it what you want, is, however low debates so often go, usually a bit more sophisticated than this. It requires actual discussion with two- or more-sided traffic of ideas, not the one-sided direction which is occuring here, where a lot people say to you is not read, or not replied to in a normal way, but replied to with some remark that doesn't reply to their points.

Regarding this whole anti-'maturity' thing:

You appear to have adopted some sort of weird stereotyping of youth, of the meaning of mature and immature, some idealisation of acting immaturely where people who want to (try - not everyone has english has a first language - and) write proper english and listen to others and who value good discussion are somehow out of touch with 'normality' (not normal), not the people having adopted half-understandable english because they have this weird notion that it's the 'cool' way.

'Mature' is not an insult on this board, Michael. The idealisation of anti-intellectualism and anti-maturity that's been going the rounds in some places has not perpetrated this forum yet so remarks about people writing well being dumb/nerdy/stupid/whatever are pretty much humoured here.

PS, if Tublear wanted to suck up to mods he wouldn't propose (as a half-serious joke) banning them, or tell them he doesn't like them, and also criticize them on many other occasions (which is his good right to do).

[Nitro]

Quist I do comment on alot of the things, look at all my posts- how I reply to a post usally is copy their post and as a read a sentance I delete it and write my comment to it.
By the way you ain't my psyciatrist.