Razz Arena (cel chaded jazz game in progress)

[piet]

hi all since the old thread i made is no longer in the list i made a new one.

here are some new shots of the game:
http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/cel2.jpg
did some re styling on the shading here.

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/modeling/reskin.jpg
redid the skin, (how does it look) you say it i dont know :P

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/blaster.jpg
this one is a little older

[Violet CLM]

Well... the guns look good, but I can't say I care for the rest of the new look.

[McDougal]

we just started on kickin it over to the cell shader system. it will take a little bit to get it all tuned.

[Olsen]

I would like to be a mapper and a modeler for the mod, Quark is so easy!

[cooba]

I wish tool like Q3ACS existed.

[Olsen]

McDougal, Piet, where are you guys?

[piet]

not to far away like allways...

[McDougal]

im around. tiein up my self around doom3 a little. i still suck at mapping but i know how gtkradiant works alittle better. but i still pefer quark.
im still workin on the codeage.

[Olsen]

im around. tiein up my self around doom3 a little. i still suck at mapping but i know how gtkradiant works alittle better. but i still pefer quark.
im still workin on the codeage.

ok, butt will you accept me as a mapper and/or modeler then? http://medlem.spray.se/gulligaolle/Castlepic.bmp
My own level!

[cooba]

But*

This game becomes uglier with each screenshot, should I say.

[Stijn]

But*

Agent Cooba gets more annoying every reply, I should say.

Ever heard of "positive/upbuilding criticism"? (sp)

[piet]

ok, butt will you accept me as a mapper and/or modeler then?
My own level!

you need to lurn celshading first! its not to hard to lurn in quark :) but you need to map in an other way afther that to make it look more cartoony

[DoubleGJ]

As soon as I get Quake3 I'll make a level for you.

[cooba]

Olsen provided a BITMAP horray.

[Olsen]

you need to lurn celshading first! its not to hard to lurn in quark :) but you need to map in an other way afther that to make it look more cartoony

Where can i learn that?

[McDougal]

olsen. really the 1st thing i did when i jumped on board was. clean up the file structures, used stock quake animation and bot files on spazz and jazz. remodled part of spaz since piets originals were spaz head on jazz body with a spaz skin. and made them playable bots. from there ive primarly done coding. now ive kinda slowed down alittle on that cause im tryin to implement things that i dont have much idea on where to start. but ive been doin what i know how to do. on the side ive been doin other things. like a few tuts. run a few ideas around.

[Olsen]

Mcdougal, you did a really good work on razz arena, and are still doing that! i am not angry of you, i think you guys rock! Hope the cel shading tut will be up soon! Writing this in school so i cant try the .pk3 tut. will try it when i am at dad´s place soon!

You guys ROCK! will try on a Trailer for razz, have vegas studio so i can make really cool effects! Also will try on a new background, hope you will like it!

I have one problem though, when i double tap the jump button with spaz, he doe´snt doublejump. Why?

[DoubleGJ]

It's not implemented yet.

[McDougal]

i know your not. mad at me. im just sayin that when i got on board alota things got cleaned up, fixed, and updated.

the dbl jump/tap system does work its just a bit wonky, as said from the guy that let me use it. it is to. some times its all timming. ive been number changing on it makin it better. the numbers that were pluged in it originaly were to sensitive. makin it hard for even me to play.

i have a clip of Razz Arena showin off the seeker rocket but my file host denied me. Ill see about loadin it on piets server soon. took them 3 months to tell me no.

[McDougal]

the razz arena website. videos. razz clip.rar
you may need the vcl video program.
may work in quick time but i dont know. i dont use it.

[Olsen]

The double jump function only works for me if i ONLY use the core files, but with the other files i does´nt work. Dont care too much though!

[FoxBlitzz]

I think you should go for a lighter style (aka JJ2) because that would fit better, but that's my opinion. Also, in that level screenshot, the texture is kinda repetitive.

[DoubleGJ]

Okay, I played Razz Arena. What I can say:
-The grass outside the castle is FLAT. Plain flat. Bump it a little.
-Some names are wrong. Rename Bouncher to Bouncer (you use inproper spelling, you!) or even better BBT Bouncer). Rename Shotgun to Pepperspray, and Rocket Launcher to Seeker.
-The voices suck. And they have bad words. May I and JSZ Spaz give you voice samples for Jazz and Spaz? Just give me a list of voice strings needed.
-Use more wall textures than just the big block. The level has very poor eyecandy.
-In JJ2 all weapons are in Blaster, but I think this one isn't good in FPP. I can design new weapon looks for you.

[piet]

Okay, I played Razz Arena. What I can say:
-The grass outside the castle is FLAT. Plain flat. Bump it a little.
-Some names are wrong. Rename Bouncher to Bouncer (you use inproper spelling, you!) or even better BBT Bouncer). Rename Shotgun to Pepperspray, and Rocket Launcher to Seeker.
-The voices suck. And they have bad words. May I and JSZ Spaz give you voice samples for Jazz and Spaz? Just give me a list of voice strings needed.
-Use more wall textures than just the big block. The level has very poor eyecandy.
-In JJ2 all weapons are in Blaster, but I think this one isn't good in FPP. I can design new weapon looks for you.

i know the map is far from done. dont look at it that way. its a test map!
we have made a few spell corections they will be included in next release.
and there is a seeker and a Rocket Launcher.
we are doing some coding on how to get all weapons blaster just like in jj2.
and sure you all can do some voices for the models. but we keep the jazz voice as it is.

voice strings:

death1
death2
death3
death4
death5

drown (not used yet)
pain1
pain2
pain3
pain4

tount (like jazz now says "na-na-na-nanaaa-naaaa")

falling
fall

[piet]

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/thumbs/thumb_gore.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/gore.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/thumbs/thumb_boost.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/boost.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/thumbs/thumb_newskin3.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/newskin3.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/thumbs/thumb_newskin2.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/newskin2.jpg)

[DoubleGJ]

http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/images/Unrealtube1.jpg
http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/images/Unrealtube2.jpg

Tubelectric looks quite good in 3D. I'm playing a bit with an idea to make a JJ map for U1 and/or UT.

[cooba]

Except for awful floor ;p

[piet]

well thats nice but al little off topic if you ask me

[DoubleGJ]

<a href="http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/images/RazzBouncer.jpg">I have designed the new Bouncer for RA.</a> Frostbiter in progress.

[piet]

<a href="http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/images/RazzBouncer.jpg">I have designed the new Bouncer for RA.</a> Frostbiter in progress.

looks good but i think jazz must keep his big blue gun like he allways did.
but maybe you can help designing a gun for Razz himself :).

[cooba]

always*

Say that to Jaleco ;p Anyway, I agree, that should be a gun to Razz, not Jazz.

(I had to put Olsen on my ignore list to get this thread to work)

[DoubleGJ]

Using the same gun all the time in FPP is wrong and confusing. Big guns claim respect, smaller ones are basic or light weapons. Besides, in FPP it's important to see what gun your enemy is carrying. That would be good in JJ2, too. Let's say you see somebody running straight at you with a Seeker Launcher. You're trapped in a corner. And then, all of sudden, he switches to Frostbiter because that previous gun was out of ammo...
Also, if all weapons fit into this one baby, why do we need to collect new Basters with different dot colors? I say - different weapons, new weapons, new working systems. Weapons in JJ2 are good for a platformer - but in FPP they need a lot of enhancement.

[piet]

Using the same gun all the time in FPP is wrong and confusing. Big guns claim respect, smaller ones are basic or light weapons. Besides, in FPP it's important to see what gun your enemy is carrying. That would be good in JJ2, too. Let's say you see somebody running straight at you with a Seeker Launcher. You're trapped in a corner. And then, all of sudden, he switches to Frostbiter because that previous gun was out of ammo...
Also, if all weapons fit into this one baby, why do we need to collect new Basters with different dot colors? I say - different weapons, new weapons, new working systems. Weapons in JJ2 are good for a platformer - but in FPP they need a lot of enhancement.

you are talkong about how the game looks now.
the collecting of blasters was only an early stage. in newer versions we will make jj2 style ammo to pickup. we like the idea of having only one gun per player. beleve me if we would make more guns it would have been more simple becouse that is what quake3 normaly has, (McDougal is coding his *** off to get the jj2 style weapon system working) :P

[McDougal]

i normaly wouldnt do this, but heres a current my current update file.
*************************************************
Version 1.1

heres what has been changed/added since the 1.0 set

------------------------------------
all weapon models have been changed
jazz has his blaster if jazz

// disabled \\ spaz has his blaster if spaz


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sp button has been removed

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rocket laucher been changed from a single shot to a 3 way shot spread pattern.

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Plasma gun is now called Freezer
and its ammo is now called Freezer Cells

Rocket laucher is called 3 Way

------------------------------------

Blaster now shoots projectiles.

New Rocket model.

Seeker Rocket model made bigger. more visable. should be easyer to shoot down mid flight.

------------------------------------

Weapon Icons on weapon select removed. Name and ammo box still appears when weapon is cycled to

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Weapon spawns in ALL MAPS have been fixed for the mod.
ALL maps will show spawn alterations.
All weapons now spawn as ammo. ammo is the as the weapon.
example. rocket laucher weapon use to spawn. now rocket ammo spawns in its place.

------------------------------------

Blaster has its own ammo model on the hud.
Seeker, Bouncer have thier own ammo models both in game and on the hud.

------------------------------------


************************************************
Q3a has a 16 weapon limit. im tryin ideas and methods of a work around. there are ways to boost it to a 32weapon cap but we would loose the powerup system.

[DoubleGJ]

Yay for server downtimes.

[McDougal]

what do ya mean? really i dont post my update info files till im ready to upload the update. but its been a while so i figured ill post a preview.

[DoubleGJ]

I just wanted to enter the RA website to check forums. And it doesn't load.

[McDougal]

piets server isnt always working. it drops out every once in a while

[DoubleGJ]

Voice packages:
http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/JazzVoice.zip
http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/SpazVoice.zip
http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/RazzVoice.zip

You might want to amplify them a bit.

[Olsen]

The razz voices is the only one i can download. the others bring me to a page that say this "Przykro nam, strona o podanym adresie nie istnieje."

[cooba]

That means that site doesn't exist. Simple enough ;p

[DoubleGJ]

"We're sorry, the website with this adress does not exist." Probably I used the whole space on server. I'll try to remove something from server and reupload.

[Olsen]

Will try to model your gun jsz jazz, but i cant copy in milkshape, so it will be hard.

[DoubleGJ]

I can't remove anything more and I still can't put Jazz and Spaz packages on the server. It would be nice if someone from the crew gave his e-mail. They have almost 4 MB in total.

[Olsen]

Duplicate selection in milkshape does not work for me, only when i select all. Have any idea why piet/mcdougal/anyone?

[Olsen]

When jazz is standing still in razz arena, he goes up and down, like if i pressed the crouch button 1000 times, but i haven´t!

[DoubleGJ]

Noticed. One of things they have to fix. Spaz is standing okay (even if he should be the one more spazmous)

[Olsen]

You´re model are almost done! hope you like it!

[cooba]

your*

[Olsen]

It´s done, i think, but some one else could texture it, i dont know how to.
Couldnt upload the img, the filesize is 3.7 kb, and it exeeds with 3.7 kb.
Gimme your email and i send you it.

[Olsen]

your*

:D :D

[DoubleGJ]

jsz_jazz@wp.pl

Texture is something I can do easily.

[Olsen]

File(s) sent too you!

[McDougal]

Noticed. One of things they have to fix. Spaz is standing okay (even if he should be the one more spazmous)
currently we are using stock animations. now one has gone though to add more charater to him in the game.

[DoubleGJ]

I'm posting the Frostbiter design here, but for the rest that I'll make, go to the Razz Arena forums.
http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/images/RazzFrostbiter.jpg

BR>Piet or McDougal, please give me your e-mail so I can send you the voice packages.

[Olsen]

Frostbiter looks cool, but not as cool as BBT21. Keep up the good work!

[McDougal]

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/7964/Preview.jpg
mmm image. Ammo stuff....

[Stijn]

I think the rocket launchers should be fully red. They really look like seekers now.

[Olsen]

agree wih ya

[McDougal]

ok. changed looks like the green but in red tones.

[Risp_old]

The blaster would look better if instead of all those small finlike points it ended in a single point, kinda like a raindrop shape.

[McDougal]

seeming that the blaster has unlimited ammo im just showin off the model. you really dont need the ammo pick up for it.

[DoubleGJ]

I still don't have yopur e-mail for sending you voice packages.

[McDougal]

y send em to me. filter em though piet 1st. after he does what ever then i can dig around and add em in. as im going though it all the file structure is changing.
also preping for the q3a engin to be open source soon. meaning this will be a standalone game. i dont want the stucture to seem like a just copy and paste job with some code changes.

[Olsen]

you´re right mcdougal, that would seem lame, by some.

[Stijn]

What will the behaviour of the weapons be, and will there be fastfire?

[McDougal]

Fast fire has been in it for a while. though its only on castle1c.
1.1 you will see some weapon changes. and you are able to set the razz controlls in game.
boost, and Jazz's temp ability.
1.1 is really makin the mod come together more.

[piet]

Fast fire has been in it for a while. though its only on castle1c.
1.1 you will see some weapon changes. and you are able to set the razz controlls in game.
boost, and Jazz's temp ability.
1.1 is really makin the mod come together more.

fast fire is a little diferent than in jj2/1 maybe we will change it

[Hazel-rah]

Is cell shading a type of shader or do I have to alter my maps in some way?

[McDougal]

look in the razz forums. theres a tut on how to do it in quark. and one on how to in gtk which piet found.

[McDougal]

btw. for those who really are waiting for Razz Arena 1.1
IT will be out Very soon.
how soon?
now.

[piet]

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/3way1.jpg
http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/3way2.jpg
http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/3way3.jpg

[DoubleGJ]

Yay!
Jazz's grapple hook reminds me A LOT of Grapple Beam in Super Metroid. It's very fun. I enjoy acting like Spider-Rabbit, flying near below ceiling and bombing enemies with RFs or Bouncer. The booster is good when you're low on energy. At least on Battle1 3D, where there is a carrot. Weapons... I don't get what for the typical rocket launcher is. It's just 3Way with only one rocket. And you switch to it after respawn, which is quite annoying. Also, Spaz still doesn't have outlines like Jazz. And where the heck is Seeker ammo?

[piet]

Yay!
Jazz's grapple hook reminds me A LOT of Grapple Beam in Super Metroid. It's very fun. I enjoy acting like Spider-Rabbit, flying near below ceiling and bombing enemies with RFs or Bouncer. The booster is good when you're low on energy. At least on Battle1 3D, where there is a carrot. Weapons... I don't get what for the typical rocket launcher is. It's just 3Way with only one rocket. And you switch to it after respawn, which is quite annoying. Also, Spaz still doesn't have outlines like Jazz. And where the heck is Seeker ammo?


seeker ammo is not in any of the maps now :P we will include it soon
ill page you your FTP to upload the voices

[Violet CLM]

Most of my problem with the graphics of this game, other than the fact that most everything looks like it doesn't have any shading, is the textures on the walls. Most of them are hideously resized in some way, and there is no support for edges, so screenshots look like an engine test gone wrong. Get a lot more tile variety, make it more obvious that edges of walls are supposed to look like edges of walls, and tone down the resizing on the stained glass windows. It won't save the graphics, but they'll look better.

[piet]

Most of my problem with the graphics of this game, other than the fact that most everything looks like it doesn't have any shading, is the textures on the walls. Most of them are hideously resized in some way, and there is no support for edges, so screenshots look like an engine test gone wrong. Get a lot more tile variety, make it more obvious that edges of walls are supposed to look like edges of walls, and tone down the resizing on the stained glass windows. It won't save the graphics, but they'll look better.

i hope this is the last time McDougal and me are telling you all that these map are not at all done they are just for testing. we are working on a game engine first modding quake3 so we will have a backbone to work on.
better maps will come way later

[JJ BBoy KS]

Those first screenshots look like Viewtiful Joe style art. Kind of a weird cel shading :D

[DoubleGJ]

<img src="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/metroid-only/metroid/Viewtiful_Samus.jpg">
Whatever.

[piet]

(...) the fact that most everything looks like it doesn't have any shading (...)

thats becouse the screenshots above are made in a non celshaded map.
McDougal has made a celshaded version of it but i dont have played it yet

[Violet CLM]

thats becouse the screenshots above are made in a non celshaded map.
McDougal has made a celshaded version of it but i dont have played it yet
No, it's the celshaded things that don't look shaded. The stuff you took from JJ2 has shading.

[cooba]

That's because the screenshots above are made in a non cell shaded map.
McDougal has made a cell shaded version of it, but I haven't played it yet.Harhar! Pageclaim.

[Olsen]

i like the new version of razz arena, however, am i accepted as a modeler mapper piet?

[Stijn]

You're lucky we aren't pointing out all YOUR spelling/grammar mistakes, Cooba.

[cooba]

I wouldn't mind.

[Olsen]

what do you guys think about 1.1, i think it rock!

[cooba]

What do you guys think about 1.1? I think it rocks!++Annoying Flash

[Olsen]

++Annoying Flash

???

[piet]

i like the new version of razz arena, however, am i accepted as a modeler mapper piet?

just make a nice map for lets say a battle game and mail it to me. i will see if you are good.

[NinJazz]

piet is genious... what gamemaker you used to make Razz 3D Arena? did you build engine yourself?

[piet]

piet is genious... what gamemaker you used to make Razz 3D Arena? did you build engine yourself?

nope this game runs on the quake3 engine :P
Me and my team are modding quake3 so we have a whole new game.

and tnx but i allready knew i as a genious before did razz arena lol

[NinJazz]

how much Quake engine costs, do ya need to have Quake game on comp to use it?

[piet]

quake3 engine is free!!! you can mod unltill you die editing the quake3 source. but you need quake3 to test your mod ;)

[NinJazz]

where I can then get Quake3 engine? so, when you made Razz 3D Arena you didn't need to pay anything for the engines etc. ?

[piet]

where I can then get Quake3 engine? so, when you made Razz 3D Arena you didn't need to pay anything for the engines etc. ?

the ony thing that cost money is Quake3 itelf you need it as a base to play your own mod.

the engine (better call it source) of quake3 is online for free at idsoftware.com

[NinJazz]

oh, I see, thanks for answering ;)

[piet]

oh, I see, thanks for answering ;)
np dude

[McDougal]

the engin isnt open source yet. but when it comes open we can legaly rel Razz Arena as a standalone and freeware. till then u need to find a copy of Q3A. peit has disabled the cd-check. doesnt bother me non ive had the game for about 4 yrs now.

[piet]

the engin isnt open source yet. but when it comes open we can legaly rel Razz Arena as a standalone and freeware. till then u need to find a copy of Q3A. peit has disabled the cd-check. doesnt bother me non ive had the game for about 4 yrs now.

do you have a date for it yet? or is it just as it was 3 months ago?

[Hareoic]

Cell shading is pretty good for this game. It gives it a more cartoonish look, which it's supposed to have.

[Odin]

Cell shading is pretty good for this game. It gives it a more cartoonish look, which it's supposed to have.

HOLY CRAP ON A STICK!! YOU'RE UNBANNERED.

Oh, and the game looks very good. Keep it up.

[piet]

HOLY CRAP ON A STICK!! YOU'RE UNBANNERED.

Oh, and the game looks very good. Keep it up.

we will :P

[Olsen]

what are you working on now in razz arena?

[Slaz]

Is the Quick 3 engine as good as it looks!?

[cooba]

They don't use Quick 3 engine, mind you ;p

[piet]

no we DO use the quake3 engine

[cooba]

He said "Quick3" ;p

[Coney]

make the wepons like the unreal blaster, where some little upgrade popsout.

[piet]

He said "Quick3" ;p
hehe, oh man talking about typos again

[piet]

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/rocket1.jpg
http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz/downloads/screenshots/ingame/rocket2.jpg

A razz arena version of the razz's rocket map, far from done but its celshaded

[R3ptile]

Just post here a link to Razz Arena if you want us to play it.

[piet]

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/jazz2/razz

[Stijn]

looks 1337.

[Violet CLM]

Huh, I'm impressed. That doesn't look too bad. The spaceship confuses me, though, as it looks nothing like any of Jazz's spaceships, but kind of resembles a giant LFG-2000.

[piet]

its kinda hard to make one, i dont like it myself :P

[Stijn]

The top of the space-ship looks sort of... flat. Could be perspective though. Is that map a remake of the "rocket map" in the jj3 demo?

[piet]

yes but its a bad replica :P

[Olsen]

finaly, more ppl start to like this game!

[n00b]

I have been a fan of this game since I first heard of it. Too bad I dont have Quake 3

[piet]

quake3 will become open source so we can compile a stand alone game that you can download for free and its legal :)

[DoubleGJ]

Yeah, I'm a fan of it too, but I haven't been playing it lately. I'm just waiting for a new version to come out.

[Olsen]

I hope it will include Ruxor lvls!

[Olsen]

Is RA stopped?

[piet]

no its not i am still working on things like a new layout for the website:
( http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/ )

and im still trying to make a good map for the game (celshading is hard)

and since McDougal is taking a break now there isnt a lot news to post on the website.

but i am still working :P

[Olsen]

Good! Answer on my topic in the razz arena forum then!

[piet]

server died :( i will get myself another one, i cant do *** now its offline

[piet]

for the players that are waiting for a stand alone version of Razz Arena:

### December 31st, 2004 @ John Carmack's Blog (http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/johnc/Recent%20Updates) ###


Quake 3 Source
I intended to release the Q3 source under the GPL by the end of 2004, but we had another large technology licensing deal go through, and it would be poor form to make the source public a few months after a company paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for full rights to it. True, being public under the GPL isn’t the same as having a royalty free license without the need to disclose the source, but I’m pretty sure there would be some hard feelings.

Previous source code releases were held up until the last commercial license of the technology shipped, but with the evolving nature of game engines today, it is a lot less clear. There are still bits of early Quake code in Half Life 2, and the remaining licensees of Q3 technology intend to continue their internal developments along similar lines, so there probably won’t be nearly as sharp a cutoff as before. I am still committed to making as much source public as I can, and I won’t wait until the titles from the latest deal have actually shipped, but it is still going to be a little while before I feel comfortable doing the release.

### END ###

:( quake3 source isnt out yet but it will soon i hope.
When it does we can compile our verry own game that can be downloaded at the Razz Arena website (don't look now it just wont work with a server that is unplugged)

[DoubleGJ]

Meanwhile I'd like to see at least a new level.

[Olsen]

I have made a new sux level for Razz Arena. Forgot how to compile it though.

[piet]

i am still working on a 3d version of the battle1 level in jj2 :P
screenshot here (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/screenshots/new%20map.jpg)

[piet]

I have made a new sux level for Razz Arena. Forgot how to compile it though.

just send it to me i will take a look at it , sorry for the razz arena forums that are not working now.

[Stijn]

If you need a (temporary) place to store your downloads or something, there's a chance we can host it on the TF site. If you want, ofcourse ;)

[piet]

If you need a (temporary) place to store your downloads or something, there's a chance we can host it on the TF site. If you want, ofcourse ;)

thanks for the offer but i wont need it, i will have a new server up and running in a few weeks or less. untill then i wont finish any new stuff that would be ready for downloading.

when my new server is online i will start working the project again.

[McDougal]

Boo. lol
ive been thinking of releasing what have done b4 my little vacation and slowly get back to work on this. I have formated my system so ive been reinstalling stuff as needed along the way. Q3A will make it back on. when it does ill retest the world/map/server change update i did. when it works the way id like it ill release it as a test self contained pak. which will prob make it in the the razz base when the servers come available. id like to make it if possable server contolled. as being that not all the servers will be workin at the same time, have the main server update the config files each log in session (if able). During the time i was Mia, i was hoping for some player models to apear and some maps. from last when i checked i only heard or seen one map (please let me be wrong ^.^). hope fully after piets server is back to normal and i can see what all has been goin on ill release the test stuff.

Note: I still have been unable to get the weapon system working the way as needed.
I have not seen the Q3A engin go open source yet..

[piet]

hi Mc Dougal!

http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/johnc/Recent%20Updates
take a look here its about QUake3 going opensource.

i just woke up today at 12:43 and i am ready to do some work on my new map.

oh and about the world/level system, i have a cool idea:
when the player is in a World looking for a level (arena) the camera will move above the player and zoom out a bit. (like Mario land) allso the player cant shoot other players, and if we allso disable the jump the ground should be flat.
maybe the - / + buttons can zoom in and out.

like ever this is just a tought.

[Stijn]

That sounds cool. It would almost be like a MMOFPS then.

[ThunderPX]

That sounds great, apart from the no jumping thing. I mean, you could hide the entrances to the arenas better if players have to jump (for some secret arenas, like in Super Mario 64)

[piet]

maybe you are right.
i was thinking about what kind of arena's there must be.

maybe the community can help us by giving us idea's like draw somthing (quick and dirty).

when the Core of the game is ready and we only need to make new (player) models, maps, sounds, and 2d art, we can start working on our verry own jazz2 world with arena's in it.

there is still a long way to go but we can do it.

when my new server is up and running. i can host a quake3 server again.
at the end of this year i am upgrading my connection to a 8Mbp/s download 1Mbp/s upload so it will be faster.

in this server i will test new arena's and the arena selection world (maybe more than one world in the same map).

when everything is done ( :):):):):):):) ) we need a lot of servers to get it all running:

server #1: The Jazz2 World.
server #2: Arena1
server #3: Arena2
server #4: Arena3
server #5: Arena4
etc...

of cource we can host more than one server one a machine.

[DoubleGJ]

Yeah, well, it would be harder, but also much more interesting if we could not only wander around Carrotus, but also teleport to other planets. At least the ones from first JJ1 episode if not more.

[n00b]

Deckstar looks perfect for arenas and such.
Oh, and why not add a planet from Jazz Advance? Like the credits planet.

[Violet CLM]

Like the credits planet.
The... what?

[piet]

more planets would be cool!
like you can step into a rocket and then you will connect to the other server that hosts that planet. or even cooler if you go into a rocket you will load a sub level where you can choose a planet. (lik you are in a space ship pressing buttons)

does somone know how jazz's space ship looks like? (does he even has one)

[Sonyk]

In Jazz1 he had one, but in one of the end cut-scenes, he was flying through space on his airboard.

[DoubleGJ]

Jazz's spaceship was destroyed while landing on Turtemple, as we read in the manual.

[piet]

but does somone know what it looks like?

[cooba]

Looks like piet has never played JJ1...

[piet]

i did play it! i have even have the CD-ROM:
http://www.eckhart.herejezus.nl/j1cd.jpg
you can see my head in the reflection (old photo)

[Violet CLM]

<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/Jazz01.png">
It also appears in the manual twice.

[n00b]

The credits planet, it's pitch black, you don't move, and words fly by. At the end, you get a code for reading everything.

[Sonyk]

Jazz's spaceship was destroyed while landing on Turtemple, as we read in the manual....I wouldn't know, since my copy of Jazz2 come with the CD version of Jazz1, and that's how I now have it. But, if you intend to use that as a mini-level for stage selection, you'd probably want to make it bigger. Or, allow control of it to the planets and such.

Or, allow people to battle in the ship...

[Violet CLM]

It was destroyed on Turtemple, but he used it again later in JJ1 (I forgot exactly where), so it was probably fixed somehow.

[piet]

tnx for the image now i remember (but i dont have a manual, it was a cd only buy)
but look at his ship. its perfect for a crasch somewhere in a level/arena. maybe with some ammo in it.

There is Jazz01 on his ship. I can make a bigger one an call it Jazz02.
maybe somone has some idea's how it should look.

i was thinking about making it the same shape but with more windows and bigger of cource

[master sven]

I think there are different kinds of JJ1's because on my manual there is no spaceship and at the end he kisses princess Eva at my JJ1

[Sonyk]

I think there are different kinds of JJ1's because on my manual there is no spaceship and at the end he kisses princess Eva at my JJ1
I'm sorry, but that made no sense what-so-ever. Yes, in every JJ1 he kisses Eva. That's how it ends. That's also how we see how Devan gets away.

But, how's this... use the Mega Battleships, or the Taxi?
The Mega Battleships probably got refitted by the rabbits, and the taxi's always been there, so...

[DoubleGJ]

It is said nowhere, but it would be typical if Battleships just blew up.

[Sonyk]

I don't mean to make this into a debate, though that is logical, but Jazz got the location of Eva through use of the battleship's computer, after defeating the dark jazz. So, at the moment, it would seem logical to me, that they're still somewhere.

[piet]

i was thinking about making ships like the Jazz01 and add them in the levels.
1 or to persons can go in it and then they will fly to some nearby planet.
(maybe with some trigger/switch thats in the craft.)

next there are large space ships where you can fly to all planets.

i will draw the space ships to get a feeling :P

(this is all verry far away from release)

[Violet CLM]

I'm sorry, but that made no sense what-so-ever. Yes, in every JJ1 he kisses Eva. That's how it ends. That's also how we see how Devan gets away.
You're neglecting the fact that there are several versions of JJ1.
Jazz Jackrabbit (1-6, ends with kiss)
Jazz Jackrabbit CD (1-C/Z)
Jazz Pack 1 (1-3)
Jazz Pack 2 (4-6)

So not everything is going to end with the kiss. The majority of people probably have CD, in fact.

[Hareoic]

I need to remember to download the Razz Arena demo. Somebody remind me later on.

[Stijn]

HAEROIC DONT FORGET TO DOWNLOAD THE RAZZ ARENA DEMO

[piet]

HAEROIC DONT FORGET TO DOWNLOAD THE RAZZ ARENA DEMO

...

oh wait there isn't a demo.

HAEROIC DONT FORGET TO DOWNLOAD THE RAZZ ARENA QUAKE3 MOD + QUAKE3

[piet]

!!! Page Claim !!!

i was wondering if the community can provide me with a top 5 list of jazz1 planets so we can think about making a start on the first couple of maps/arena's.

its a long time ago someone new joined our crew. basicly its just me and McDougal and some people on the razzA forum.

who could help us with:

making good looking maps for worlds/arena's
(i mean the final maps that we are gonna use in the game, not some test map like the crap i made)

Making models,
for now we need 2 new models:
The Jazz01 spaceship and some bigger spaceship (lets say jazz02) in the same style.

who want to join our crew?

[DoubleGJ]

I'm making some stuff ever since the project was started, it's just that 99% of it doesn't get used. =* My top list of planets:
1. Fanolint
2. Crysilis
3. Orbitus
4. Technoir
5. Tubelectric

[Hareoic]

There isn't a demo? There's just a Quake 3 mod? Crud, I don't have Quake 3 :-(

[White Rabbit]

I don't have it either. :( Will you be able to convert your mod for Quake 4? ;P

[Sonyk]

Quake 3's going opensource soon, so we don't have to worry TOO much.

Top 5 Planets, huh?
(In no particular order)
1. Medivo
2. Industrious
3. Candion
4. Crylisis
5. Diamondus

And, it sounds neat to make the maps, but I don't think I'd be able too. Ah well.

[Hareoic]

I wish I could help, but I'm not a good artist and I don't know how to make things in 3-D modelling programs like Milk3-D and stuff like that. Sorry :(

[White Rabbit]

Holidaius would also be nice.

*awaits Q3*

[Violet CLM]

The most popular JJ1 planets are probably Diamondus (level-wise) and Tubelectric (remix-wise). After that, we probably all have our own picks... I know I find Crysilis awesome.

[n00b]

1.Deckstar
2.Dreempipes
3.Medivo
4.Bloxinus
5.Letni

[Sonyk]

It would seem as Crysilis and Medivo are the most popular. But, how would you fit a 2d game's tiles into a 3d games landscape?

[n00b]

By modeling the tileset.
Does the tileset have trees? Model 3d trees that look simmilar.
Does the Tileset have rabbit statues and marble faces/tounges? Then model those.
Does the tileset have pipes? Model those pipes.

[Sonyk]

*rases finger in addition to saying some sort of co-*
*changes mind*

Okay, good point. But, with Jazz 2 I assume it'd be easier than with Jazz 1. Ah well.

[n00b]

How so? Jazz 1's tiles are less complex, and theres not alot that should be extremely hard to model. The Jazz 2 tilesets have much more complex tiles such as Huts, Gargoyles, Lab Tubes, Caslte slides, Dancing mushrooms and flowers, large carrots, etc.
The most complex thing I can think of off the top of my head is probally the stautes on Marbelra or the Glassed Mutated plants on Fanolint.

[piet]

i have been working on the new layout! and i am verry happy with the results.
i hope you will be to...

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/

well what do you say?

[Sonyk]

Jazz 1's tiles are less complex
That was my point, there's less to use, so you'd be seeing a lot of repititon.

well what do you say?
I say it looks very nice.

[n00b]

That was my point, there's less to use, so you'd be seeing a lot of repititon.
Looking at the two versions of Diamondus(jj1, and jj2) It's mostly redone tiles, tiles added for the engine, and a few new animated tiles. Therefore, you would have to add in new things, or miracosly find JJ2-styled versions of all the JJ1 planets.

[piet]

Razz Arena is not a jazz2 port in 3D.
Its a game based upon both versions.
so whatever is cool in jazz2 we will use. same for jazz1

[Sonyk]

I was aware of that, but I guess that answerd my question regardless.

[Baggers]

Medivo and diamondus are probably my favourites

[piet]

the site now has some new pages online:

- Today's News
- Archives
- FAQ
- Screenshots
- Forum

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/

go check it out. (its the old forum with new skin, all old post are back!)

[piet]

here are some screenshots of my battle1 3d port:



http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/bigdrop.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/bigdrop.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/downstares.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/downstares.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/lift.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/lift.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/lift2.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/lift2.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/lift3.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/lift3.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/spring.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/spring.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/stairs.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/stairs.jpg.thumb.jpg)

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/thumbs/there%20is%20a%20seeker.jpg.thumb.jpg (http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/Maps/Battle1/there%20is%20a%20seeker.jpg)

[piet]

the site is now allmost complete, most of the links even work ;)

maybe some of you would like to read the tutorial about making celshaded models in the "go and create" menu.

[Stijn]

The new Jazz model shown on the fornt page is awesome. Can't say much about battle1 though, as it's hard to judge the gameplay of 3d maps by screenshots. It looks a little too bright, though.

[Baggers]

Yeah the only criticism i could have is about the brightness, Some of the ingame screenies look great though....maybe its time i got Quake3 back on my comp ?!

<edit> just saw the new jazz model...looks fantastic !

[piet]

All credits for the model are for Dean Dodrill.
i only redid the skin

[Stijn]

Well, then the new skin rocks ;)

[piet]

The first Razz Arena server in on the air!
Who would like to help me test it.
i want to test if my bandwidth can take 10 players.

so who has quake3 and can play in the verry first Arena.

[Stijn]

*immediately re-installs quake3*

[piet]

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/cutenews/data/upimages/statue.jpg
visit the Razz Arena site for more info about this map :)

now go and play!

[cooba]

I'd prefer to play in maps which actually look good.

[piet]

you know that realy hurts me lol.

[DoubleGJ]

Personally I think it does look good. Oh, it's me standing under that statue. =D

[White Rabbit]

That looks awesome! *waits for Q3 source*

[piet]

dont know if i may post applets but i think this is cool:

use mouse or arrow keys to rotate the 360 degrees panorama

Derby: Applet removal. You may not post applets directly to the board.

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/panorama/

Piet: Here is a link to it

[cooba]

No you may not.

[DoubleGJ]

Unfortunately you can't look up and down, only turn around.

[Baggers]

Looks great, how the hell do you make those panoramas ?

[piet]

it will need lets say 5 or 6 screenshots and software like PixMaker from PixAround.com.

need more help just ask

[piet]

http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/gallery/screenshots/better%20grass.jpg
i think the grass looks better this way, but it still needs some work

[DoubleGJ]

A bit too dark. It could use some grassy model objects, too.

[Sacrush]

Agree with JSZ jazz, looks better now though.

And pageclaim in the name of a devan model.

[piet]

i am realy sorry to inform you that the site i down again.
my servers harddrive is a little broke but i am recovering as we speak.

its a 80Gig harddrive with NTFS, becouse its NTFS instaid of FAT or FAT32 the full directory structure will be intact (thats what they told me).

i have good hope everyting will be back to normal soon.
i have seen a lot of files in ./www/baggers/ and ./www/razz/.

*lurns making backups is 1337 the hard way*

[Baggers]

It's ok folks its up again !

[Odin]

Do we just have to download the .exe? If not, what else do we have to get?

[piet]

as you can read in the FAQ you need quake3.
razz.exe is only a luncher that connects to the beta server for playing online.

[Baggers]

Hey man, i was wondering...What image types are used to make the textures for the levels in your mod...i was wondering as with that program i made to make nice tileable wall textures I could make some new textures for the walls of the castle level.

[piet]

Quake3 uses TGA, but i think JPG works to.

[Baggers]

awesome, ill look into it !

[Mircea]

If you need it, I have a tool that can convert all jpg files in one directory to tga files.

[Baggers]

Thanks man, but i can do it with Paint shop pro if i need to, it does batch conversion too.

[piet]

baggers look at my sig.
its a live report of the last 5 headlines on the razz arena site.
do you want me to make a Dynamic image for JJ3D to?

[Baggers]

Its ok man, thanks for the offer. Where did you learn to do that ? Id like to learn !

[piet]

its php :)


<?php
if($headlines == 1){
$number = "6";
$template = "Headlines";
$category="1";
include("./cutenews/show_news.php");
die();
}


$wp=fopen("http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/news.php?headlines=1","r");
// here you receive content of page
while(!feof($wp)) {
$content .= fread($wp,4096);

$content = str_replace ("<!-- News Powered by CuteNews: http://cutephp.com/ -->", "", "$content");
}
fclose($wp);


$text = $content;



/* ---------------------------------------------- */
/* ------------ BEGIN PHP SNIPPET ----------------*/
/* ---------------------------------------------- */
// specify the file name - you can use a full path, or "../../" type stuff here
// if the image is not in the same directory as this code file
$image = imagecreatefrompng("./img/latestnews.png");

// specify the font size
$font_size = 10;

// in this case, the color is white, but you can replace the numbers with the RGB values
// of any color you want
$color = imagecolorallocate($image, 0,0,0);

// make our drop shadow color
$black = imagecolorallocate($image, 123,123,123);

// and now we do the overlay - the layers of text start top to bottom, so
// the drop shadow comes first

// $image - the base image file we specified above
// $font_size - Well duh. Its the size of the font
// 0 - the angle of the text - we don't want an angle, so we leave it at 0
// 55 - pixels to the right from the leftmost part of the image
// 35 - pixels down from the top of the image
// $black - the color we defined above
// "../fonts/ARIALBD.TTF" - the location on the server that the font can be found
// "Test Text" - the text we're overlaying - you can also use a variable here
ImageTTFText ($image, $font_size, 0, 16, 96, $black, "./SNAP.TTF","$text");

// Now add the actual white text "on top"
ImageTTFText ($image, $font_size, 0, 15, 95, $color, "./SNAP.TTF","$text");
header("Content-type: image/png");
imagepng($image);
imagedestroy($image);


?>

[Baggers]

Cool thanks....now to learn more php !

[piet]

if i can do it you can do it for sure

[Ðx]

when is the new version comming ( 1.1? 1.2?)

[piet]

maybe when i have made a few more maps.

i still need mappers and modelers!!!

[Stijn]

$wp=fopen("http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/news.php?headlines=1","r");
// here you receive content of page
while(!feof($wp)) {
$content .= fread($wp,4096);

$content = str_replace ("<!-- News Powered by CuteNews: http://cutephp.com/ -->", "", "$content");
}
fclose($wp);

$handle = fopen("http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/news.php?headlines=1","r");
$content = fread($handle, filesize("http://www.eckhart.da.ru/razz/news.php?headlines=1");
$content = str_replace ("&lt;!-- News Powered by CuteNews: http://cutephp.com/ --&gt;", "", "$content");
fclose($handle);

is faster and smaller :P

You seem to have register_globals set to ON (page.php?x=y will set $x to y, not $_GET['x']). THis is a really big security threat, I suggest putting it off.

[piet]

yes i have register_globals on, some scripts are programed badly so they only work with register_globals on.

but tnx for the code, i will implement it

[piet]

http://www.razzarena.da.ru

i have claimed razzarena.da.ru so you can visit this, its less harder to remember than eckhart.da.ru/razz ;)

[Sacrush]

http://www.razzarena.da.ru

i have claimed razzarena.da.ru so you can visit this, its less harder to remember than eckhart.da.ru/razz ;)

Site wont work.

[piet]

i am having some network problems. its like realy hot here in the netherlands and one of my hubs does not like that, but now they seem to have cooled down.

site works now

[Sacrush]

i am having some network problems. its like realy hot here in the netherlands and one of my hubs does not like that, but now they seem to have cooled down.

site works now


I know its hot there ;p.

[ThunderPX]

I know its hot there ;p.

It's not now. :P

[ThunderPX]

Yes, double post, but it's been ages, so nyeh :p

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/13/0350222&tid=112&tid=8

WIN.

[McDougal]

ive been watching. few days after Full Open source or Q3A becomes Freeware there will be a release for all. i could do all the prep work now, but i wana take a look at how the engin does a few things see what i can tweak alittle in that area. For main spawn area map ive been workin on it. but since quark or its compilers been acting funny been slow. but heres a few screen shots. some i did not to long ago.

1 (http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/685/shot00001lv.jpg)
2 (http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/7594/shot00011fi.jpg)
3 (http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/4428/shot00027gt.jpg)
4 (http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/5185/shot00035dk.jpg)
5 (http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/9127/shot00047kf.jpg)

still work in progress. this is just a General idea of what ive been pondering for a Center map.

[piet]

hi McDougal i have seen a cool Quake mod!!!
it will celshade the models automaticy, i have made some screenshots of the Bones model:

http://www.razzarena.da.ru/gallery/screenshots/Others/wsw00000.jpg
http://www.razzarena.da.ru/gallery/screenshots/Others/wsw00001.jpg

maybe you can code this for razz arena, it will save a lot of work.

EDIT:
2 more screenshots:
the jazz and spaz models look a bit better like this to i think:
http://www.razzarena.da.ru/gallery//screenshots/Others/wsw00002.jpg
http://www.razzarena.da.ru/gallery//screenshots/Others/wsw00003.jpg

[ThunderPX]

I see the Spaz model still needs a lot of work :P He looks like Frankenstein with the weird thing on the back of his head and that line near his waist.

[piet]

yea its not done :P
but i just want to show how the celshading looks on the spaz model.

[n00b]

I like the center map thing. It highly reminds me of The Nightmare Before Christmas movie. In particular the scene where Jack finds the doors to the other holiday worlds.

[Black Ninja]

I just thought I'd post this: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/quake3arena/news_6131614.html

The time has come for a true release of Razz Arena.

[Firewall]

i like the game, mayby a few more maps =)

[ThunderPX]

I just thought I'd post this: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/quake3arena/news_6131614.html

The time has come for a true release of Razz Arena.

You're late.

[Black Ninja]

You're late.
Indeed I am, but no one else has posted about it.

[ThunderPX]

piet did at the RA website.

[piet]

http://etpub.org/e107_files/downloads/quake3-1.32b-source.zip

here is a link to the source code of Quake3 Arena.

for those wondering what a source code looks like ;)

EDIT: oh and look at the image in my signature.
you can view the newest headlines on the razzarena site

[Black Ninja]

The "bad news" one's 0 replys thing got cut off. It only says '0 repl'.

[piet]

thats bad news ;)

[ThunderPX]

It's also spelled "replies" if we're nitpicking ;)

[piet]

thanks man! changed that :P

[ShadeJackrabbit]

What is the source code for?
Of Quake 3 that is.
Can you actually make Quake 3 with it?

Quake Threeye PAGECLAIM!

[piet]

The Quake3 Source are all the codes the programmers of ID Software used to compile Quake3. It does NOT include Video's textures sounds and skins.

so you can make Quake3 with it but it wont look good cos you dont have the textures etc.

This allso means that Razz Arena needs a lot of new media.

[Black Ninja]

The replies thing is still cut off for "bad news". ;p

Anyway, good luck with making a full standalone version. I know I'll be one of the first to download it when it's out.

[piet]

1. fixes that :P

2. thanks :)

[piet]

I have made a mailing list for Razz Arena.
http://www.razzarena.da.ru/index.php?page=mailinglist

[McDougal]

Should i add my self to the list?

[piet]

if you want to know when you release new code versions haha
yea why not i am in it to :P

[piet]

standalone soooooooon

sorry cant help it ;)

[ThunderPX]

By the way; I have a router, will I need to open a certain port to play?

[MSB3000]

Fix stand alone download! >O

(It's broken for me at least.)