JJ2WC III: Mappool & Date List

[Nielsje]

Hey everyone,

After some hours of study and research, I’ve made the following selection for next years tournament. This is just an initial version of the mappool, it’s not sure that this is going to be used during the next tournament. So, if you don’t like it for some reason, or you like to see a few levels removed/changed/added, you’re free to empty your heart here. I’m always open for innovations and suggestions, just so you know.
After I think that everyone is more or less satisfied with the list, I’ll compile the whole pack, which will be available for download once the JJ2WC website is ready, which should be somewhere during November. Ah well, let’s show the list, shall we?

Capture the Flag
- Angelic Warfare
- Base Construction
- BloodBunny’s Lair
- Celestial Wargrounds
- Dawn Of Combat
- Divide & Conquer
- Galactic Warfare
- Happy Semiconductor CTF
- Jungle’s Edge
- Medieval Skyscrapers
- Quasar Quandary v1.1
- Radioactive Soup
- Ragnarok’s Fortress
- Security Breach v2
- Termite Haven
- The Marshland Of Evil: SE
- The Zerox Factory
- This Level is Untitled
- Waterfall Caves
- Whantil

TeamBattle
- “ “ TB (the unnamed level by Evilmike)
- Abandoned Robotics Factory TB
- Battle Game 1 TB
- Cold Cavern TB
- Decripit Ruins TB
- EvilMike’s Evil Fortress TB
- Toasted Territory TB
- Villain Village TB
(…)

As you can see, the TeamBattle level list isn’t yet completed, mainly because of no-one took the time to send in good TB levels or give good suggestions. If no-one gives me more suggestions, I’ll just stuck to these 8 (almost everything made by OLC) or I’ll convert a few popular Battle Levels (think of E. Prime, Garden Brawl, etc.) to TeamBattle.

Tournament Dates
Here follows a small list of all the dates which are going to be of importance for the upcoming tournaments. Write them down in your agenda’s, because when you’re too late, you’re too late.

JJ2WC Duellist Tournament 3 – Signup - October 22nd, 2005
JJ2WC Duellist Tournament 3 – Start - November 5th, 2005
JJ2WC Clan Cup 3 – Signup - November 26th, 2005
JJ2WC Clan Cup 3 – Start - January 7th, 2006

The website will be accessible soon, I think during the first half of November. I hope before the Duellist Tournament starts.

Regards,
ChippieBW

[snzspeed]

nice ;)

[Grytolle]

All good ^^ ... except that DnC still sucks.

[cooba]

First Strike (http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/levels/eventlevels/OvC/JDC10R5b.j2l) and E. Prime (http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/levels/eventlevels/OvC/JDC10R5a.j2l) for Team Battle levels?

And I dislike Base Construction being in the list. The level as it is now isn't much of a CTF as a level using a new gametype, which is quite messy anyway.

[Grytolle]

It's more like normal CTF than a level with a Jail...

[cooba]

It's more like normal CTF than a level with a Jail...The crate could be just removed.

[Superjazz]

Throw to temporary trash can:
-Semi
-Sb2
-BBlair
-JE
-MS(or not)

In other hand, you're the best Chip! 8D

[R3ptile]

<b>Existing (fixed) teambattle maps</b>

- (EvilMike's Untitled Desert Level)
- Abandoned Robotics Factory
- Battle1
- EvilMike's Evil Fortress
- Toasted Territory
- Villain Village
- Battle Game XC
- E. Prime
- First Strike
- Decripit Ruins

[cooba]

Battle Game XIXC.

[White Rabbit]

BBlair, JE and Whantil... I'm not sure about those 3.

Must we have BBlair all the time? ;( Or will it just remain unplayed? ;P

[Vegito]

please do NOT remove MS, BBlair, SBv2, JE, Semi, QQ... (from both me and Chiyu)
And er.. My personal opinion is that you shouldn't remove Marsh either.
I don't care about the rest xD

[blurredd]

ChippieBW: Keep in mind that almost all of the TB levels need to be fixed so they don't cause problems when hosted (see Team Battle link in sig).

If my Battle Game XC level is going to be considered, I should probably edit it so that the copters and the RFs always respawn. If only there was a sure-fire way to check and prevent this...

About DnC, I don't think keeping the jail in would be that much of a problem. I'll admit that a JDC event wasn't the best place to test the middle crate. But with a little use of teamchat, it can be used more strategically (like to prevent someone from scoring if timed just right), and overall it can slightly reduce base camping. And if you're not sure where trigger 31 resets, just open up the level in JCS and see for yourself.

But if enough people are too scared of the jail and can't bear to wait longer than half a minute, I could consider making a version without the crate. This reminds me of how SBv2 wasn't supposed to become more popular than the JailCTF version, so you can guess that I would be reluctant to make this edit.

[Grytolle]

Wouldn't that level be very campy without the jail?

[Vegito]

Yep, but same with the jail though..
I think jail is too annoying ;|

[White Rabbit]

DnC requires a different form of team flag-capture strategy, other than the kind you see in JE or Dawn of Combat, I 'think'.

[cooba]

Also I don't really enjoy that Semi and JE made it in the mappool yet again. If I were you I'd use Santranigus V (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=3674) instead of JE. Both levels appear to have a similar layout and people tend to use there tacticts, which they also use in JE. As for Semi, you could also make an experiment and replace it with <s>darksemi</s> Surreal Landscapes (http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/levels/eventlevels/CTF/JDCCTFh.j2l).

[R3ptile]

Also I don't really enjoy that Semi and JE made it in the mappool yet again. If I were you I'd use Santranigus V (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=3674) instead of JE. Both levels appear to have a similar layout and people tend to use there tacticts, which they also use in JE. As for Semi, you could also make an experiment and replace it with <s>darksemi</s> Surreal Landscapes (http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/levels/eventlevels/CTF/JDCCTFh.j2l).
lol wth
JE >>>>>>> Surreal Landscapes
Semi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Santranigus V

[cooba]

omg no or i kick you from ic

[R3ptile]

ok sorry they rux i lied

[Vegito]

Santranigus V > Termite haven and/or BBlair ;)

[R3ptile]

Santranigus V > Termite haven and/or BBlair ;)
(-) no it sux

[White Rabbit]

Now WR=sad. :(

But despite that, WR=happy for ppl suggesting his CTF lvl. >O

I also suggested Santranigus V in one of my spam raids on the 8D forum, but since it was (real) spam, Chippie ignored it.

[snzspeed]

Santranigus V > Termite haven and/or BBlair ;)
if santranagius V would have more ammo + foods removed, i would like it more

and bblair/termite haven = RUX

[R3ptile]

Oh, and cancel the stupid first collecting already. That would reduce so much camping and add more strategy.

[White Rabbit]

Cancel the what? :| I don't quite understand your wording. Do you mean that everyone should start from their bases with no ammo, and collect stuff as the game progresses?

[R3ptile]

Do you mean that everyone should start from their bases with no ammo, and collect stuff as the game progresses?
Yes.

[cooba]

Do you mean that everyone should start from their bases with no ammo, and collect stuff as the game progresses?Yes.That could be arranged.

[Grytolle]

Wouldn't it limit the tactical choices if you didn't have different kinds of ammo? :S

[R3ptile]

Wouldn't it limit the tactical choices if you didn't have different kinds of ammo? :S
(-) camper!!!!

[White Rabbit]

Website: http://jj2wc.ncmv.net/

Change your signature link, Gry. ;p

[Sasik]

Group 1:
1) C.C 8 pnts.
2) DM 6 pnts.
3) VS 3 pnts


:(

I didn't know that you have already known the results XD

[[GpW]Urbs]

A question, what is zerox factory? First I thought it was zaitox, but it somehow didnt feel right:)
Havent played angelic warfare as well, and rags level, but the rest, thumbs up mainly.

[White Rabbit]

Zerox Factory is a JB level by Blackraptor made using 7th Lava Fall.

Wow, I typed that without looking at the keyboard. I AM ON FIRE! (As is the Zerox Factory). :p

[Sasik]

I know all levels from the mappool, but it doesn't mean I like all of them ;_;
However, I don't really care about levels.

My suggestion for Chip is that he could add to site the archive from previous seasions ( JJ2WC I and II ), like it's done for example at JDC site. I think there are still people who remembers the scores/teams from every clanwar ;p Informations about matches are also at JCF, so it won't be hard to find them ;)

[cooba]

but it doesn't mean I like all of them ;_;<s>It's not like they like you either</s>

[R3ptile]

Waterfall Caves must be removed. It's an RF PARADISE.

[blurredd]

Aww, I knew I should've kept the seeker powerups in.

[Grytolle]

Website: http://jj2wc.ncmv.net/

Change your signature link, Gry. ;pI am sure there will be a redirect... :rolleyes:

Ohyes, make sbv2 teambattle. It's one of my favourite battle-levels^^

Also, will there only be one clan championchip including teambattle and CTF mixed?;o Or, is it just that they take place at the very same time?

[cooba]

or I’ll convert a few popular Battle Levels (think of E. Prime, Garden Brawl, etc.) to TeamBattle.Shock Station (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=3520) :(.

[snzspeed]

Golden Gun Award:
1) Snooze 222

:O

[R3ptile]

congrats snooze

<s>*wonders since when he's polish* :S</s>

[R3ptile]

Shock Station (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=3520) :(.
Bleh I used to be such a bad reviewer, thanks for reminding me that. :O Deleted.

[White Rabbit]

You, er, deleted the only review? Now you'll make Blacky sad. :(

[Ragnarok!]

Snooze is unbanned =OOO

[R3ptile]

So there is no Invitational tournament after all? :(
Argh, just don't forget to make seedings so good players won't be able to face each other during the first stages.

And Rag, the quotes in your signature don't make much sense :rolleyes:

[Grytolle]

Would it be possible for a clan to sign up with 2 teams, if it has enough active players?

[White Rabbit]

*hypno* No. *hypno*

That is not exactly fair, since there are almost no clans with over 6 active members. You're just looking for advantages to give C-C. :(

[Grytolle]

What advantage would that be?

[White Rabbit]

I already knew that there was no apparent advantage when I wrote my last post but C-C is the only clan atm able to successfully field two warteams over an extended period of time.

[R3ptile]

Would it be possible for a clan to sign up with 2 teams, if it has enough active players?
I think you can. All you need is 3 players and a tag as far as I know.

[cooba]

All you need is 3 players and a tag as far as I know.LB :(

[Grytolle]

I already knew that there was no apparent advantage when I wrote my last post but C-C is the only clan atm able to successfully field two warteams over an extended period of time.I still don't see your point... :roll:

Edit: Will the teambattle-levels be with reversed scoring? Or will someone convert them to that new nice system-thing that FS or someone created?

[R3ptile]

Edit: Will the teambattle-levels be with reversed scoring? Or will someone convert them to that new nice system-thing that FS or someone created?
They're all fixed stup

[Enigma]

What advantage would that be?

Suppose, for a minute, that all clans are exactly equal in skill, and each clan has a 50% chance of winning a game against another clan. If there are, say, 8 slots in the tournament, and C-C takes three of them, their chance of winning the tournament would be three times as big as other clans with just one team. And if one C-C got eliminated, they'd still have teams left in the tournament.

Besides that, last time I checked, JJ2WC was a clan tournament, not a 3vs3 tournament. It would be fairly ridiculous for a clan to enter multiple times in the same tournament.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Hmm seeing how no one replied to enigmas post so long, there can be quite a few interpretations as to why that is so.
Strength of arguments would be one I suppose:)

[Grytolle]

Or waiting for Chippie to reply?

[White Rabbit]

Chippie is away on holiday and should be back within a week or two.

[Nielsje]

Or two hours.
Give me the time to write a good reply to everything stated here ;P

[White Rabbit]

Or two hours.
Give me the time to write a good reply to everything stated here ;P

Oh? ;o Let's hear it. :D

[R3ptile]

Uh, is it the final mappool? We VS noobs need enough time to train :p

[Nielsje]

After all I decided there was no huge reply needed at all. Although, I will answer a few questions asked here.

Oh, and cancel the stupid first collecting already. That would reduce so much camping and add more strategy.

Hmm, I doubt this is a correct solution for the problem. Some players will join the server earlier than others, and the will start capturing the enemy flag before there are players of the enemy team in the game! Besides, it takes a while before all teams are set and ready (colour changes etc.) I know this can be arranged in the pregame already, but it's still a bit dodgy. Players who are already in the server when the later players join, will have a huge advantage because they already got ammo and stuff. I know we could form a rule which forbids players to leave their base before the game starts, but most of the levels have start positions which are not near the base, and players could collect ammo while on their way to the base. In the end, it won't be water-tight.

A nice compromis would be that there's a time-limit for collecting, like, the game starts exactly 3 minutes after the server is up. This could be a good solution for the problem, but people will complain about unfairity, and so forth. I guess that the current situation (with enough collecting time till everyone's ready) is the only solution everyone would agree with.


My suggestion for Chip is that he could add to site the archive from previous seasions ( JJ2WC I and II ), like it's done for example at JDC site. I think there are still people who remembers the scores/teams from every clanwar ;p Informations about matches are also at JCF, so it won't be hard to find them ;)

This is actually a pretty good idea. It would be pretty much impossible to integrate these seasons in the database completely, but I could make a certain archive page, just like JDC’s. I have to bother R3ptile for the results, though, since I pretty much lost them all (season 1, that is)

Uh, is it the final mappool? We VS noobs need enough time to train :p

This is the final mappool:

Capture the Flag
- Angelic Warfare
- Base Construction
- BloodBunny’s Lair
- Celestial Wargrounds
- Dawn Of Combat
- Divide & Conquer
- Galactic Warfare
- Happy Semiconductor CTF
- Jungle’s Edge
- Medieval Skyscrapers
- Quasar Quandary v1.1
- Radioactive Soup
- Ragnarok’s Stronghold
- Security Breach v2
- Termite Haven
- The Marshland Of Evil: SE
- The Zerox Factory
- This Level is Untitled
- Waterfall Caves
- Whantil

TeamBattle
- (EvilMike's Untitled Desert Level)
- Abandoned Robotics Factory
- Shock Station
- EvilMike's Evil Fortress
- Toasted Territory
- Villain Village
- Battle Game XC
- E. Prime
- First Strike
- Decripit Ruins

As you see, I used R3ptile’s TB list as basis, but replaced Battle1 with Shock Station TB. The CTF list hasn’t changed a thing since the first post in the thread. I think the majority of the people will agree with this list, although not everyone will agree with it. Expect a much more detailed mappool, including map information, minimaps, and game statisctics soon on the JJ2WC website (as WR already said, the address is http://jj2wc.ncmv.net/ - the website isn’t finished yet, but it will be in the upcoming weeks)

[Vegito]

This Account Has Been Suspended
Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.

It has not been finished, no :| bah.

I agree on the mappool ;P

[R3ptile]

What about just restarting the map after everybody joins?

[Grytolle]

Or what about when the scripting language is done, so server controls ammocount, just giving all players 50 of all ammotypes in the level?^^

Boho =( No battle1 ;p

[R3ptile]

Or what about when the scripting language is done, so server controls ammocount, just giving all players 50 of all ammotypes in the level?^^

Boho =( No battle1 ;p
Battle Game XC > Battle1

And I hope there won't be first collecting for teambattle.. at least :p

[Nielsje]

Website fixed.

[R3ptile]

What about just restarting the map after everybody joins?
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[[GpW]Urbs]

A few questions chip:
A) what is an activity award, and how the hell did i obtain it?:)
B) what are those 2 groups of clans doing there, and where did thos epoints come from?

Currently I just assume the whole thing is there just to test things out... cuz some things don't make sense(specially the flags:)))

[[GpW]Urbs]

(-) is up with that smiley :))

[Ragnarok!]

Chip, I think you should reduce the amount of levels in the pool. As the chances are, that with SO many levels that only a few will be chosen.. That is if we get to choose the levels. Anyway. Hi.

[Nielsje]

What about just restarting the map after everybody joins?

Good idea, this could work indeed, and I'll certainly think of introducing it. I hope everyone agrees on this, though.

Urbs']A few questions chip:
A) what is an activity award, and how the hell did i obtain it?:)
B) what are those 2 groups of clans doing there, and where did thos epoints come from?

Currently I just assume the whole thing is there just to test things out... cuz some things don't make sense(specially the flags:)))

Allright, since the website is up I've had to explain it dozens of times, but now I will explain it for once in here:
The activity award is an individual award, which is won by an individual player in the tournament. The same thing goes for the Golden Gun Award and the Flag Master Award. Activity award goes to the player who played the most minutes, during the championship, Golden Gun Award goes to the person which made the most kills during the tournament, and the Flag Master award goes to the person with most. I'm still in dubio about the Activity Award though, since most clans wok with a fixed warteam so everyone plays an equal number of minutes.

Note that those individual awards will be handed out when the group Rounds ends, or else it wouldn't be fair - clans who placed themselves for the final rounds are moe likely to obtain the awards aove clans who didn't, since they played more matches. Eventually, I will add some more awards (most flag takings, most flag losses, most deaths, most vulgar player etc. ;-) )

About the groups, everything in the standings of individuals and clans is just layout testing, so it means nothing. You can make fun of it, I don'care, but stop asking me questions about it, since it means completely ñada :(


Chip, I think you should reduce the amount of levels in the pool. As the chances are, that with SO many levels that only a few will be chosen.. That is if we get to choose the levels. Anyway. Hi.

Clans don't get to choose which map they play on. This is randomly decided about one hours before the match starts, and will be announced on the website. Hi.

[Ragnarok!]

Heya. Wasup? =)

[maverick]

"most vulgar player "

Yay,I will win it. =DDDDDD

[White Rabbit]

I also demand a 'lag complainer' prize.

[R3ptile]

Hahahahahahaha

[Vegito]

Hmm, cool o.o

[Grytolle]

I also demand a 'lag complainer' prize.Me and snz will have a close race. :+

[White Rabbit]

Snooze and I*.

Let's also have a mid-game grammar corrector award. :(

[Sasik]

Clans don't get to choose which map they play on. This is randomly decided about one hours before the match starts, and will be announced on the website
It isn't good idea. You should announce the map at least one week before the match. You won't be suspected of any machinations then. Why? Well, your idea can make situations like this:
'Clan A: OMG, THEY (clan B) KNEW EARLIER THAT TEH MATCH WILL BE PLAYED ON SBV2!11 (for example).
Clan B: O.o WE DID NOT, YOU LAMES, NOOBS!111 (etc.).'

I hope you see the point.

[Nielsje]

It isn't good idea. You should announce the map at least one week before the match. You won't be suspected of any machinations then. Why? Well, your idea can make situations like this:
'Clan A: OMG, THEY (clan B) KNEW EARLIER THAT TEH MATCH WILL BE PLAYED ON SBV2!11 (for example).
Clan B: O.o WE DID NOT, YOU LAMES, NOOBS!111 (etc.).'

I hope you see the point.

I see the point, but I don't see why that would happen. Clans know that the maps will be announced at a certain time, so why would they lie to each other? I'll never tell ANY clan on which map a game will be played, so they can scream what they want, I don't care. Real clans can play on any map at anytime.

[Vegito]

Its about trust :)
And I spam and claim this page. ;.;

[R3ptile]

It isn't good idea. You should announce the map at least one week before the match. You won't be suspected of any machinations then. Why? Well, your idea can make situations like this:
'Clan A: OMG, THEY (clan B) KNEW EARLIER THAT TEH MATCH WILL BE PLAYED ON SBV2!11 (for example).
Clan B: O.o WE DID NOT, YOU LAMES, NOOBS!111 (etc.).'
typical european whiners, that's all i can say

[Vegito]

(unfair, I wasnt even whining this time... :P)

[Grytolle]

Snooze and I*.

Let's also have a mid-game grammar corrector award. :(Me an Rep will have a close one in faulty corrections 8D

[Ragnarok!]

ROFL. Sasik's example is wrong. Its more like this:

Clan A Player 1 : MAAAAAAAN YOU KNEW MAAAAP
Clan A Player 2 : LAGLAGLAGLAGLAGLAG
Clan B Player 2 : We havent even started yet
Clan A Player 1 : U KNEWWW MAAASP SPSPSPSSPFSDA :(
Clan B Player 3 : We dDINT KNOW MAPs YO U NOOOBS
Clan B Player 3 : :(
Clan C Player 6 : Am I even meant to be here?
Host : No. But enjoy ur stay.
Clan A Player 1 : NOoBS U KNEW MAP MAN NO FAIR FU.
Clan B Player 1 : Now you see why I idle a lot.
Clan B Player 2 : U KNEW MAP NOOBS MAAN MANN IT WAS NOT SBv2. IT WAS SBv6 SO (-) MAN.
Clan A Player 3 : U NOOB BAN MAN FU FU FU FU FU
Clan A Player 2 : *teamchat* HAHA WE KNEW MAP NOT THEM *teamchat*
Host : I read that. The clan . . will not be allowed to play.

Can you guess who is who? If you get it right, ill show you something cool.

[R3ptile]

Me an Rep will have a close one in faulty corrections 8D
<BDD>

[[GpW]Urbs]

Bah, i trust chip to be fair about it all, besides this system really wasn't all that good, so a change is definetly welcome. i gues we'll see if it's for the the better. I still liked the original system the most. The only thing it should have had, was the limit of how many times a level could be picked by a clan.. but otherwise, gr8. Problem with the last system was the fact that people like REALLY overdid certain levels. Anyway one point of this competition is also trying out new stuff each time so it gets better, and thats what chip is trying to do. Leave him do it:)

[Vegito]

I'm fine, as long as you put Semi for CÇ Vs. 8-D :P

[Grytolle]

Please let us face 8<!--.-->D on semi! That would be a game worth remembering^^

[Nielsje]

Maps are picked random, and this is no exception, unfortunately. I'm sorry for being so strict, but rules are rules. There's still a chance of 5% it will happen, but if you really want to face 8-D in Semi you have to challenge them (us, in my case) outside of the JJ2WC context.

[Vegito]

We did already... ;-)
hurry with that clanwar already ;.; Im getting bored =P

[Grytolle]

Indeed, you already accepted such a challenge ;P

[Superjazz]

What's the deal with semi? If I'd able to affect the map choice in that cw outside the cup, I didn't accept on semi I guess...almost anything else from the current mappool would be ok outside the cup. ;-P

[Grytolle]

Because you are supposed to be good there. Atleast yasco and squirrel <strike>say they</strike> are.

[Vegito]

and because they will force us to play that level ;[ (which I surely like :P)

[Grytolle]

and because they will force us to play that level ;[ (which I surely like :P)What? 8D ???

[Chiyu]

Yeah I'm pretty sure 8D challenged us for a clanwar, and we accepted, but nothing ever happened afterwards :P.

[Vegito]

Yes, 8D will force us =P
I think I'll take this into my hands, and talk with yasco again =)

[Chiyu]

I wish 8_D wouldn't give this "8D" smilie on these forums. :P Almost as bad as the "CC" bug.

[White Rabbit]

Hey, you don't seem to use any other JCF smileys in your posts, so you might as well disabled smileys in general, when posting.
...

:p

[Superjazz]

I wish 8_D wouldn't give this "8D" smilie on these forums. :P Almost as bad as the "CC" bug.

I actually suggested 8D-tag due to that it's being actually a smilie as well. In other hand I could have very well suggested for something like 4D, etc. 8D

[R3ptile]

8D 8D 8D 8D 8D 8D 8D 8D.

[Grytolle]

Just do 8<!--.-->D

8<!--.-->D

[R3ptile]

Just do 8<!--.-->D

8<!--.-->D
no need :o