LMAT 2011

[Love & Thunder]

If you want to make more, I say go for it.

[Calm Splat]

I added the image Treylina posted to the image cooba posted. Obviously if there's clearly flaws in this combination please fix or just say it.

http://s27.postimg.org/rpf23gq3n/lmat_2011_re_edit.png

Of course anyone can still add to this tileset, I'm pretty sure there's still more space before it'll be too big for TSF-version JCS, according to J2O. If people think it's more-or-less done, masking would be in order.

[Obi1mcd]

There wasn't any consensus reached on whether to use the ash colour scheme instead of snow, so I wouldn't include it as the baseline to work off of. It could work as an alternate palette, though obviously more temperature-based tiles like the icicles would be somewhat out of place.
Also, those tiles were more presented as a selection of alternatives to replace all the octagon tiles throughout the set, so again, not really appropriate to stick them at the end there.

In regards to anything at all happening with the set, I don't really think it stands well enough without more tiles. It's completely missing backgrounds, for a start, and the snow tiles could use more variety.

Still though, if it's ever going to be finished we just need more actual content in the set, rather than deliberating on what variation of specific tiles to use.

[Love & Thunder]

I agree; we need to stop arguing over variations.

Anyway, all this tileset really needs is some background/foreground stuff IMO.

[Treylina]

Please, don't add something that was not meant to be added. It's nothing but clutter. It was meant to be a change, not an addition. A lot of those are duplicates.

My intentions are to change the blocks to the bottom right "middle" block style. It's the best of both worlds and looks smoother.

I acknowledge it needs a background. How about a volcanic mountain?

However, I had lost my motivation long ago when I made a huge edit to colouring the outlines, then forgot to save.

[Love & Thunder]

For the ash one, a volcano sounds good.
For the snow one, how about a snow-capped mountain?

[Love & Thunder]

Decided to change some of the remaining ice stuff on the ash version of the set. The ropes don't have any ice on them, and the spike thing is now made of rock.

http://i.imgur.com/rQsgsLd.png
(EDIT: Also, for future convenience, here's the snow version of the set (http://s28.postimg.org/rrpl6mzm5/lmat_trey_berry_evolution.png))

[Love & Thunder]

Yes, this again.

So, all this really needs is a background. My thought is to do it like the Holiday Hare background in the snow version(Sky + mountains), but in the ash version, the mountains are volcanoes and the sky is red. Maybe have some paralax clouds that have an ash look to them in the ash version that could be used to imply a recent eruption?

If people only want to work on one version of the tileset(The ash version or the snow one), I'd be perfectly happy to port any changes over to the other with the necessary modifications. Let's just get this done.

[Sean]

hey honestly I give up already man

[Stijn]

I'm pretty sure everyone will be okay with you just adding whatever background you like and releasing it, Robo4900.

[Seren]

I will not be okay with it because I work on this all the time. Also no matter how many times you repeat that all this tileset is missing is a background, it won't become true.

[PurpleJazz]

As the set is, I feel like the bricks could do with more variety. Right now it doesn't really offer much to a JCSer in terms of eyecandy potential; the ground is rather homogeneously consisting of octagons and squares. With some more flexibility (think more diverse brick patterns, columns, archways, lintels etc), it will be fine. The theme we've chosen so far seems to suggest Roman architectural motifs, and it would be interesting to try and take this concept further.

[Love & Thunder]

I will not be okay with it because I work on this all the time.Okay, so how about I put my changes up here(Or PM them to you if you're the only one who cares) and I take your notes on it until you're satisfied?

Also no matter how many times you repeat that all this tileset is missing is a background, it won't become true.The thing about this(And what PurpleJazz is saying) is that I'm not a good artist. I can edit existing stuff to fit other things really well, but drawing from scratch is a real weakness of mine. I could probably add some cracks, recolours, or slight variations on existing tiles like PurpleJazz suggested, but unless someone else wants to do a couple of extra tiles, that's it. Hell, my plan of using the Holiday Hare background is pretty literal -- I was planning on just copypasting the generic clouds background(The one used in almost every official tileset) and having a recoloured version of the Holiday Hare mountain as an extra background layer thing(Although I'm not sure how I'd make this work for the ash version of the set).

The bottom line of this all is that I really like the theme and overall look of this tileset, and I basically just really want to see it finished. I can understand Ementaler's unease with me finishing the set(And if the situation was reversed, I'd probably be the same), but how else will it get finished?

[Treylina]

How about a checklist of what needs to be done? I'd like to apply my foreground brown rock slab changes, I just got incredibly demotivated when I was recolouring the outlines, forgot to save it, then Sean preferred the version with black outlines...and felt like I wasted my time.

But screw it, I don't care what he thinks anymore. Though I still don't have much motivation.

Here are some other problems:


The "?" block does not fit with the style of the other destructable blocks.
There are two completely different signpost styles. We should stick with one. I prefer Obis with a few tweaks (I made them look shaded, as seen with the signpost ones, but not the EXIT ones. But I feel like I could do a better job of that now.).
When I added those cracks to the grey tiles, I think tiling didn't come into my mind.
Some other destructable blocks feel like they're missing.

[Love & Thunder]

I'd like to apply my foreground brown rock slab changes, I just got incredibly demotivated when I was recolouring the outlines, forgot to save it, then Sean preferred the version with black outlines...and felt like I wasted my time.

But screw it, I don't care what he thinks anymore. Though I still don't have much motivation.If you don't want to do it, I could do it instead. As I said earlier, I'm quite good at editing existing stuff. Especially for something as simple as pasting octagons over other octagons(You wanted them like the middle block of the bottom-right style, right?).

Here are some other problems:The "?" block does not fit with the style of the other destructable blocks.Probably not too hard to fix, right?
There are two completely different signpost styles. We should stick with one. I prefer Obis with a few tweaks (I made them look shaded, as seen with the signpost ones, but not the EXIT ones. But I feel like I could do a better job of that now.).Again, not too hard to fix -- I think I could probably do it.
When I added those cracks to the grey tiles, I think tiling didn't come into my mind.I should be able to fix this fairly easily.
Some other destructable blocks feel like they're missing.Perhaps some more deeply cracked blocks? Ones with holes in them? Cracked ones with holes in them? Or little exclamation marks on the octagons?

[YRSHKD]

I guess no one starts a new LMAT anymore...

[Treylina]

I guess no one starts a new LMAT anymore...

At this point, my unfinished tilesets progress faster than this, (which is slow, mind you) so why would we want to start a new LMAT?

[YRSHKD]

At this point, my unfinished tilesets progress faster than this, (which is slow, mind you) so why would we want to start a new LMAT?
I was just looking about old LMAT topics, and maybe I'm amazed a little bit looking all the progresses.

You're right of course, a new LMAT topic would be slower than my old not-really-smartphone now :)