Cheaters. How do you deal with them?

[Primordial]

I was hosting a game of battle 1 when some guy named 'neobeo' joined. I started fighting him and after a while he would automatically home in on me, as if I had a warp target stuck to me. I used lure and bait methods to see if it was lag or a trainer. Sure enough, it was not lag. I gave no warnings. Just typed "CHEATER." and "BAN 2".

A harsh method perhaps, but they have to learn that cheating, to put it bluntly, sucks.

[Tik]

Neobeo is on this board, perhaps he will have something more interesting to say on the subject...

[$tilettø]

NeoBeo can cheat but i dont think if he did it to do something bad or something

You also Accused me of cheating in the begin later not ;0

[Neobeo]

oh i was sure banning me was a good idea...what with completely no one in the server lol

just a note: i only cheat when there's only the server and no other players, bcos the game "hasn't started" anyway...

EDIT: man, how could i have forgotten to post the main content of what i wanted to type??? anyway, i was working on an "anti-warp" program... more description can be found on "Megawarp is ILLEGAL" page 2... basically i was testing it on myself in Primordial's server but it did not detect my "warping" for some reason... still working on it

[Tik]

But it does give you an unfair amount of roasts before other people join.

[Neobeo]

oh... if u had checked more properly, did Primordial say anything about roasting?

I was just warping around.... (see my EDIT in my last post)... not roasting...

But I do agree with you spaztic, for those who warp around and roast everyone, its quite unfair (I wasn't doing that!!!)

[atesoRJOL]

There is also a bug, not very common from my knoledge but I get it once and a while from what I think is a result of lag.
I warp around incontrollably and sometimes there are lots of clones of me in the background behind me and it warps me into walls sometimes also.

[$tilettø]

There's nothing you can change about getting that well maybe buy a very good cable modem and it solve's that :P

it only happen with very much lagg or going to next level when having a cto and rejoining

oh and about that detect warp i dont think it would work out very well

[Link]

Neobeo, one of the J2HG rules is no cheating in a server without the permission of the host.

So if you feel you need to test stuff in other people's servers, make sure you ask permission first.

(Source: http://link.idlegames.com/j2hg/pol.php)

[Primordial]

Originally posted by Neobeo
oh... if u had checked more properly, did Primordial say anything about roasting?

I was just warping around.... (see my EDIT in my last post)... not roasting...

But I do agree with you spaztic, for those who warp around and roast everyone, its quite unfair (I wasn't doing that!!!)

Actually, up untill I banned you, you were using it to home in on me and fire a seeker. Rinse and repeat.

[4I Falcon]

A different topic.

What to do about swarmers?

Swarm: v. To run by firing five to twenty-five homing missiles around one's target, so that the aforementioned target has no means of escape. Swarmer: n. One who swarms.

Is this a legal move, or should swarmers be kicked or something? I mean, it's a cheap, n00bish way to attack, doncha think?

[Link]

That technique is fine. I use it at least. I think that basically any non-cheating move in JJ2 is fair, except for shields.

[Trafton AT]

Originally posted by atesoRJOL the lag warper!
There is also a bug, not very common from my knoledge but I get it once and a while from what I think is a result of lag.
I warp around incontrollably and sometimes there are lots of clones of me in the background behind me and it warps me into walls sometimes also.

This happens when you get an Error During Download because you press a key to quickly when the game ends or the level is changed before you can download it after it changed for a first time. You will warp around randomly, usually with the lag clone (because of the way JJ2 handels player placement in memory). Kicking the lag clone or waiting for them to leave is the only way to stop this from happening.

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by $tilettø
You also Accused me of cheating in the begin later not ;0 Do yourself a farvor. (http://www.geocities.com/xxzarchxx/Cheater.html)

[Primordial]

Originally posted by 4I Falcon
A different topic.

What to do about swarmers?

Swarm: v. To run by firing five to twenty-five homing missiles around one's target, so that the aforementioned target has no means of escape. Swarmer: n. One who swarms.

Is this a legal move, or should swarmers be kicked or something? I mean, it's a cheap, n00bish way to attack, doncha think?

How is that cheap or a cheat? It is easily escapable, and you would be banning ever 2nd person who joined. Including me.

[Newspaz]

Lol, anyway, I just ask people not to cheat in my server. If they do anyway I just go ahead and kick them.

[$tilettø]

Originally posted by Moonblaze
Do yourself a farvor. (http://www.geocities.com/xxzarchxx/Cheater.html)
Hey i dont see you'r Laser shield? where's is it?

anyway you asked me to do that :P

[MoonBlazE]

Then what about the bank robber server before? Where did you got choose Electro Blasters? What about all the fastfires?
We know you cheat stiletto. ;P

[$tilettø]

"Then what about the bank robber server before? Where did you got choose Electro Blasters? What about all the fastfires?
"

That was in the Same Server when you and i Cheated,

I Roasted you how did you get so fast 900 coins? Cheating indeed :P

and the Fastfire that was RF"s They looked like FF's Because of the huge Lagg :-P

[MoonBlazE]

No, not that time. And the game where already over when I began.
The time before, there when the server almost was fill up.

[$tilettø]

Oh whatever

just ban cheater's thats how you deal with them

[Neobeo]

At the end of the day, there is really little anyone can do to stop cheating, although it can be minimised. As said earlier, I'm working on a program similar to that of Cataclysm... although I dont know how much that'll help

[Primordial]

Originally posted by Neobeo
At the end of the day, there is really little anyone can do to stop cheating, although it can be minimised. As said earlier, I'm working on a program similar to that of Cataclysm... although I dont know how much that'll help

I'm sorry, but dispite your views, if I see cheating in my server without my permission, I will ban that person without warning.

Newspaz: Perhaps if cheaters learnt from their actions, that would be a viable method. In my experience however, they don't seem to care. I don't have the time to be missing half the battle trying to stop a cheater from cheating.

[MoonBlazE]

Peharps you should stop ban persons without reason too.

[Primordial]

Originally posted by Moonblaze
Peharps you should stop ban persons without reason too.

You were deliberately getting in the way of the flow of the battle. Also, another player requested you be banned. I kicked you the first time and you can back saying something like "That's it! Now you've really made me angry!" so, I considered the other players request and acted upon it accordingly.

[Neobeo]

From reading all this is this thread, I have come to a conclusion:

I realise that many of you are sensitive towards cheating. I personally dont see why. I always allow the use of cheats in my server. Not because I myself cheat, but I don't think it is such a big deal or a big fuss to make about.

Maybe I can understand if the person is using a laser shield, or lagging the server. Or if you are using an illegal program (MegaWarp etc.) then you deserve to be kick/banned.
In this case, I would also "punish" them.

Ok... this is just a personal opinion... do NOT attack me back saying I am wrong or anything... its a thought. And i still understand that certain people will never allow cheating...

[$tilettø]

I realise that many of you are sensitive towards cheating. I personally dont see why. I always allow the use of cheats in my server

Ditto Cheating is a fun thing to do and you will learn from it also get some Game Knowledge

[Neobeo]

Originally posted by $tilettø
Ditto Cheating is a fun thing to do and you will learn from it also get some Game Knowledge
Yea... i suppose... though now that I come to think of it, maybe servers dont like Ditto Cheating because you can learn their game style and "special tricks"

[n0]

I host servers where everyone must cheat.
"Cheater Only Server"
or somthing like that

It is fun to traid addresses and stuff in those servers.

[4I Falcon]

And I wouldn't trust anyone in that server with my address. :|

[Trafton AT]

Just kick them. Period. :p