Locking Post About the Poster Above You?

[Trafton]

"Post About the Poster Above You" is less than two hundred replies away from the 10,000th reply. I think that the 10,000th reply would be an appropriate time to lock it.

While it is true that PATPAY makes up a lot of the posting on this message board, it's really getting old. If you look in it today, it really is not a game anymore as much as a place where members can just chat about anything they wish. Because of the sheer number of posts, a lot of stuff that would normally be edited is missed. After all, it takes a long time to sort out all of the off-topicness there to find posts that need editing, and no one actually really wants to carefully read everything there.

My point is that I think PATPAY should be closed at 10,000 posts. In fact, I think it should have been closed much earlier, but 10,000 is a good and significant point to close it. With the new Word Association topic being started up, there are a lot of forum games in Misc. While I am sure that a new PATPAY will just be started right back up, having the original rest in peace at 10,000 would be nice. Also, I like the idea of having a limit on the number of posts in forum game topics in a certain amount of time.

In my opinion, Post About the Poster Above You has worn out its welcome and is now deteriorating into little more than an incomprehensible mess of senseless posts.

[Fawriel]

NO! NEVER! >_<

[Radium]

BUT WHAT WILL PICCOLO AND I DO <i>THEN</i>?

[Fawriel]

*plans a new game with no sense whatsoever*;_;

[Radium]

PATPAY FOREVER! PATPAY WILL NEVER DIE!

[Fawriel]

GET UP,STAND UP.....STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!
GET UP,STAND UP....DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT!

[n0]

Bandwith on J2O is getting low, maybe we could have it deleted. That would save about 10,000 posts worth of space!

`N0

[Iam Canadian]

I don't see how deleting one topic is going to help the JCF's bandwidth transfer any. :p

[Trafton]

I don't think deletion is a great idea, but that's just me. Instead, I think it should be closed to avoid such posts as "PATPAY FOREVER". Honestly, if you really care about the thread, try to back it up here by supplying good reasons why it should remain open as opposed to "OMG DONT CLOSE IT PLZ KTHX =)".

[KRSplat]

I disagree. If it is closed, people will just make more topics like it. There is no point.

Okay, maybe not. What would be better to reduce spam is the administrators focusing less on things like warez or anything that has to do with JJ3D (I find it absurd that we are not allowed to talk about the unfinished sequel to JJ2 on JJ2 forums) and start focusing more on closing topics that are spam. Spam is bad.

[Violet CLM]

I fully support closing PATPAY, and all the other word games as well.

[Radium]

BUT PATPAY IS OUR FRIEND!!!

[Iam Canadian]

PATPAY is like a drug. It feels good, but slowly destroys your mind. :p

[Radium]

But people like Piccolo and I have practically spent our life in that thread! We grew up there! Look at Pic, he's posted there almost 2.5 thousand times! WHY MAKE ALL THAT GOOD SPAM GO TO WASTE?!?

STAND UP FOR THE SPAM EMPIRE! DO NOT FORCE THEM AWAY FROM THE PATPAY LANDS ON WHICH THEY WERE BORN!

[Fawriel]

What Radium said!:p

The PatPay is like a home,theme-parc,a place wher you can go and goof around,etc.
And a source of great fun as well!:D
I laughed my head off when Derby came and kept moderating stuff with smiies! =)> :D
Think about all us poor guys who have no life and only stay online all day,waiting for something to be posted,and NO MORE PATPAY where there's a new page daily... ;_;

[Tik]

I have enjoyed Patpay since this new school year began, it has, if you'll believe it, helped me through a lot of boring school days. However, I realize how much everyone else hates the forum games, so despite how I would love for it to stay open, if it is closed at 10,000 posts I will not complain (to your face). Seriously, I have made friends in that game =P

And there are still threads we can post senseless stuff. Revive my "The Stupid Game" thread.

[Ninja]

But..me, picco, radium, and desprodel are teh livez there! you cant destroy our home! =( what we do, guys? =((((((((((

[Fawriel]

My life is slowly falling apart...
I can see it....
Piece by piece..
My home...where is it...
I can't enter it any more..
What's blocking my way...
What the heck..
It's a dancing Fishy?

[Disguise]

Originally posted by Piccolo
...What's blocking my way...
What the heck..
It's a dancing Fishy? Hahhahahha, that's good ;) :D

[Fawriel]

Daaaaaaaaaang,Fishy...you SCARED me...^^;;;;;;;;

[Radium]

Originally posted by Ninja
But..me, picco, radium, and desprodel are teh livez there! you cant destroy our home! =( what we do, guys? =((((((((((
GRAB YER SWORDS, WE'RE GOING TO WAR! PATPAY MUST NOT FALL!
Though I somewhat dislike the idea of going to war on the same side as Faw and the hippy guy..

[KRSplat]

I think that there is really no reason to close it. It is like a place where you can pretty much say whatever you want without getting in trouble. If you don't like reading that stuff, you know that it is there so you don't have to look at it.

[Trafton]

Originally posted by KRSplat
I think that there is really no reason to close it. It is like a place where you can pretty much say whatever you want without getting in trouble. If you don't like reading that stuff, you know that it is there so you don't have to look at it.
But some things that are said there are against the message board. That does not make any sense. It's good to keep all topics under the same set of rules.

[Fawriel]

Over...and out...

Fine.
FINE!
Take it all away from me.
Wheeeeeeee,boredom I'm coming,now I have more timeto think about all my problems,what a luck!

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Piccolo
Over...and out...

Fine.
FINE!
Take it all away from me.
Wheeeeeeee,boredom I'm coming,now I have more timeto think about all my problems,what a luck!
Pic, some things I suggest:
1) Play JJ2.
2) Play another game.
3) As a last resort, restart the thread...but don't...bah. It's your decision, I suppose.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Trafton
Pic, some things I suggest:
1) Play JJ2.
2) Play another game.
3) As a last resort, restart the thread...but don't...bah. It's your decision, I suppose.

1)No...
2)Naah...
3)Okay.

[Fawriel]

Hah,niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice,FINE job,admin-people,you proud now to tur this forum into a lot of serious stuff about one third of the community replies to at all?
Way to get new members!

[VelKa]

SOLUTION: PLAY UT2K3.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
SOLUTION: PLAY UT2K3.

ANSWER:NO.

[Trafton]

Many users resent topics such as this because they have morphed from topics into little more than spam. There is no structure, nor is there any longer any sort of game in play at all. While the idea of having a public chatting forum may be a good one, please do it elsewhere. If you are not looking for discussion, and are instead looking for spam, I think you overestimate how many people are with you - I'm sure that 1/3 of the message board will not leave just because one thread is closed.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Trafton
I'm sure that 1/3 of the message board will not leave just because one thread is closed.
Two.

And what was the argument AGAINST the thread?
Look atstuff like Monty Python.
No structure.Just fun.
Maybe it wasn't all fun we had in the PatPay game.
But you certainly can't tell people"You weren't funny enough! Your post will be deleted!"
Yes,I don't like it either that sometimes there are real rush-hours in which everybody's just racing for the 10,000th post or whatever.
But there sure would be a way to stop that,too.
And apart from that,it's really hilarious how you admins(+Trafton and Velk) want to prevent spam by posting spam yourself...ANYONE WANT ANTI-SPAM SANDWHICH?

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Piccolo
Two.

And what was the argument AGAINST the thread?
Look atstuff like Monty Python.
No structure.Just fun.
Maybe it wasn't all fun we had in the PatPay game.
But you certainly can't tell people"You weren't funny enough! Your post will be deleted!"
Yes,I don't like it either that sometimes there are real rush-hours in which everybody's just racing for the 10,000th post or whatever.
But there sure would be a way to stop that,too.
And apart from that,it's really hilarious how you admins(+Trafton and Velk) want to prevent spam by posting spam yourself...ANYONE WANT ANTI-SPAM SANDWHICH?
The difference between the spam that is posted in PATPAY and that of which we have posted is quite noticable. First of all, there are 10,000 messages in PATPAY. We have not posted 10,000 spam messages. In addition, the messages did carry a point, though they did not exactly express them clearly. Forum games are fine - in moderation. 10,000 posts is not moderation. Nor is it appropriate when people delete posts, push, and shove in order to achieve the 10,000th post - that is the worst sort of spam. Anyone is capable of expressing their opinions on constructive subjects, after all. The only difference between these spammy forum games and normal topics is that posting a lot, whether the content of the post is pertinent or not, is held in higher regard than the actual posting quality. When this occurs, the topics become troublesome and "competing" for numbers regarded as significant occurs. This further adds to the quantity of spam, and eventually it becomes acceptable to post in a frenzy with nonsensical content simply to reach these numbers while post quality is ignored. This is the problem. If PATPAY was not a "I'll race you for the 200th post" sort of topic, it would not be as much of a problem. Or at least I do not think it would be (or would have been, as the case may be).

[Fawriel]

Well if it's the quantity,that can be helped...
They're suggesting Trafton for a moderator anyways.
So simply make a new forum in the sense of the PatPay game,which is,or should be,simply hanging around,having fun,not thinking about stuff,being senseless,blah.
I do agree on the little moderation,things like Xion's humping smily can easily go unnoticed,and aren't very funny,tasteful or whatever..
Or we could make beforementioned chat forum...could work like the Spam forum at the [TF]-boards,certain amounts of time and all the topc is clear,then time passes,and all is cleared again,and so on.

IS IT THAT HARD?:p

And personally,I find it sad you didn't respond to my"Anti-spam-sanswhich"...that was m,y fav.part of the post!:D

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Piccolo
Well if it's the quantity,that can be helped...
They're suggesting Trafton for a moderator anyways.
So simply make a new forum in the sense of the PatPay game,which is,or should be,simply hanging around,having fun,not thinking about stuff,being senseless,blah.
I do agree on the little moderation,things like Xion's (pancake consuming) smily can easily go unnoticed,and aren't very funny,tasteful or whatever..
Or we could make beforementioned chat forum...could work like the Spam forum at the [TF]-boards,certain amounts of time and all the topc is clear,then time passes,and all is cleared again,and so on.

IS IT THAT HARD?:p

And personally,I find it sad you didn't respond to my"Anti-spam-sanswhich"...that was m,y fav.part of the post!:D

I seriously think that the creation of a spam forum would deteriorate the quality of the JCF. There is no problem creating good, senseful posts if you really try. A spam forum would just be spam - that is not what is needed. Everyone here on this board is smart and plenty capable of conversing in a sense-making way. A spam forum would simply cause more spam, which is not what is needed. Besides, it would be impossible to moderate such a continous stream of nothingness. It just is not a good idea.

[Fawriel]

Well you can't FORCE people to make posts of quality.
Also,not EVERYBODY around can hold serious conversations...
(What was this thing about leaving your soul outside in forums?)
It IS possible to catch up with all the posts...
Hm...wouldn't it be possible to have a certain fun-time or something?
A thread is closed outside that time,
and opened when the time starts.
We could have a moderator for that...also,we could increase the limit of time between being allowed to post...
And stuff.
Give semi-warnings for spamming and deleting posts to receive certain posts in a thread.
Do whatever.
Just don't let this forum become Spam-less...you know we don't want that!:(
"Gee...that was schmaltsy!"

Okay,cease fire for now...I'm tired..^^;

[Trafton]

I honestly think that it would be a better idea to just give a time-based limit on posts to the forumgame topics, or possibly by username, and only have one of each kind (so no "Post About the Poster Above You III Ultimate Gold Plus EcoPro Edition").

[Radium]

GASP! PATPAY HAS BEEN... LOCKED! BY DIZZY!

YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS, GINGERBREAD MAN!

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Trafton
I honestly think that it would be a better idea to just give a time-based limit on posts to the forumgame topics, or possibly by username, and only have one of each kind (so no "Post About the Poster Above You III Ultimate Gold Plus EcoPro Edition").
Nobody had several threads at a time..
I made the Platinum version to be your suggested"New thread" ;b
And rest is okay.

But it does bug me I get no comment on mah anti-spam sandwhich...

[Iam Canadian]

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/1844182.jpg

There. That's my PATPAY memorial. I'm done. :p

[Spotinik]

I have read this by now...
well, PatPay has been the most fun topic...when I was bored, i was going to it all the time....when DA becomes down , and other forums too...so yeah, and PatPay was such a funny topic...and closing it is kinda sorta mean....come to think about it, mods and admins, when you have a fav topic on a forum, or a topic that was created by you, and you liked it, and you enjoy it, and...then, someday....BAM! you find the topic closed....either deleted.....what will you do??! either, if you want to close it, close it...but people won't stop making posts to get it back....bring the topic back, and we'll stop doing these 'why pattpay was closed' messages..other than that, people will never stop making game posts and such...
and btw, you're just making boredom returning to us again.,.by closing a great-topic... and heck, too much typing here, so I'll just shut up..
and btw, faw, give me an anti-spam sandiwch :o

[sproedel]

Trafton, I understand your decision on closing the PATPAY-Thread at 10000th reply, but closing a new one is not justified at all.

The PATPAY-thread was one of the most active threads the JCF ever had and it was very much fun to those people, who posted there. I don't see, why a new PATPAY-thread should be closed. You say, it is so much offtopic. But there are so much more threads, which are even more offtopic. Just look at Freelance's "This place is a drag" - thread. This topic hasn't any sense and it isn't closed yet!

Which problem do you have with the Post about the poster about you-thread? You say mess of senseless posts? Wow, what news. You just have to look into a thread on the Misc and you will see tons of senseless posts. Thats nothing new. Why can't you let us have a new PATPAY-thread? What is so annoying with it? If you don't like it, just leave it and ignore it like you, obviously, do it with all the other threads.

*claims this page in memory of Post about the poster about you*

[groovydog]

Nuuu, it can't go it just.... CAN'T!! *kick self* aaarrrrrgggghhh! :(

[Radium]

EFIL GINGERBREAD MAN!

The Cornbread side just gained an ally...

[Spotinik]

yeah..evil trafton, and those who made him a mod! eessh..boredom is just..returning..WE WANT THE PATPAY BACK DARNIT!! , it's still running on the TLA forums, and some other forums..
and sorry if I sound mean..I'm just upset

[MaGoo]

Just make another one, it's not a big deal. Frankly, I was never a bit fan of it. Do what you like, people.

[Spotinik]

if we make another one, it'll get deleted..after the old patpay (the one that had too many replies), was locked, faw made another one, and it got locked.....so..yeah...but I want the topic back..and so many ppl do...so yeah..-_0

[groovydog]

Why don't you make another one? ^^; *is kinda angry now*

BORDEM MUST NOT RETURN!!!

*pout-sigh*, ah well, if you make a new one there would be none of this trouble... now most people around the JCF are gonna leave and such, we all loved PATPAY :(

[Trafton]

dalspots, I am not a moderator and I did not make the decision to lock the topic.

[Spotinik]

0o...you aren't? but why you're agreeing on closing it?!eeh?

[Trafton]

Originally posted by dalspots
0o...you aren't? but why you're agreeing on closing it?!eeh?
I have presented my opinion on the matter throughout this topic. Go back and read it.

[Spotinik]

even if a thread has 10,000 posts, it's not right to close the new one! essh

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by dalspots
even if a thread has 10,000 posts, it's not right to close the new one! essh
Not to mention the second one...

[Spotinik]

yes, I agree with faw..closing the new thread for the patpay, is...just unfair...bring patpay back!

[VelKa]

Why are you people continuing to attack and blame Trafton for every single little problem resulting from this pathetic PATPAY incident? Why? Can you please answer that? Besides, he is not a moderator; how can he close topics? Magic?

Do you see anyone else complaining about this? What about people like Shorty, Nova, ElectroPiZZa, DarkShadow, etc.? Are they sinking down to this level of childishness, and whining about the closure of one little topic? I'm afraid not; perhaps they have lives, or have more important things to be concerned about. (Posting in that thread has nothing to do with the examples I am giving, because most/all of the people I have listed above did not actively post in there.)

Please cease and desist; the problem is only getting worse as more and more people make whiny comments about it. Also, if anyone takes offense at my post here, I apologize for the inconvenience.


~pranx0rific


edit: Edit.

[sproedel]

Then I wait for a statement by one of the admins or mods. There wasn't any real reason to close a new one.

[Trafton]

Originally posted by dersproedel
Then I wait for a statement by one of the admins or mods. There wasn't any real reason to close a new one.
When a topic is closed, it generally is closed for good reason. As Derby stated, it would be considered a reinitialization of offense.

[Fawriel]

Velk,there simply are some people who are different from you or Shorty.
Some come here to discuss things,others come here to have fun...
I myself see the JCF as my personal home!^^
I really grew up here,this is the place I started my online life,THIS meaning especially the forum games...who knows where I'd be now without that...
I wouldn't have my art cos I never woulda met Skulg or Pho,I wouldn't have any friends...oh joy.
Please refrain from saying things like"get a life",I find that very offensive,seriously.
I simply can't do anything else while I'm online cos I keep watching out for people logging in or something happening...I do have a life,not a very good one,but it is a life",so nya or something.;-P"

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Trafton
When a topic is closed, it generally is closed for good reason. As Derby stated, it would be considered a reinitialization of offense.
HA,veeeery good reason.
So now forum games are an offense?
Highly interesting,and amusing,too!:p
It's especially nice to see how you people are giving the high number of replies as a reason of closure while the new one almost HAD NONE AT ALL!:p

[sproedel]

Originally posted by Trafton
When a topic is closed, it generally is closed for good reason. As Derby stated, it would be considered a reinitialization of offense.

Why does he think so? Were there ever big problems with the PATPAY-thread? I can't remember any...

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Piccolo
HA,veeeery good reason.
So now forum games are an offense?
Highly interesting,and amusing,too!:p
It's especially nice to see how you people are giving the high number of replies as a reason of closure while the new one almost HAD NONE AT ALL!:p
I think the message that is trying to be presented here is that PATPAY is getting old. Word Association, for instance, remains unlocked. While PATPAY may be dead, there are plenty of other good topics out there (I'm not saying that I like Word Association, but I like it better than I liked PATPAY).

[VelKa]

OH NO I SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE
OH YES I AM GOING TO DIE LAUGHING

Okay, look. Forum games, while they may be a diversion (fun activity), are not a reason to start thread after thread of complaints when they are closed from becoming too large. Realize, that when a thread becomes too large, it is necessary to close it.

I am going to shut up, now, after failing to make my point repeatedly; sadly, I actually have a life, and will hereby go study math, play UT2k3, or work on projects such as BOB_ALLEN Central. Farewell. Please don't make me post this much in a short period of time.

<img src="http://gpwmb.virtualave.net/funscreens/flame.JPG">

[Spotinik]

thats not what we mean , megum
when the old patpay got closed (the one that had too much replies)
some one made a new one, but then...it got locked!O_O but why?

[VelKa]

Originally posted by dalspots
thats not what we mean , megum
May I ask, who the heck is 'megum'? ;-P

~pranx0rific

[Trafton]

Originally posted by dalspots
thats not what we mean , megum
when the old patpay got closed (the one that had too much replies)
some one made a new one, but then...it got locked!O_O but why?
Opening a new version of a topic that was closed is simply reopening a topic that should be locked. It is treated just like the old topic, and therefore closed.

[sproedel]

Originally posted by Trafton
I think the message that is trying to be presented here is that PATPAY is getting old. Word Association, for instance, remains unlocked. While PATPAY may be dead, there are plenty of other good topics out there (I'm not saying that I like Word Association, but I like it better than I liked PATPAY).

Its getting old? C'mon! PATPAY was the most active thread on the whole JCF! It doesn't matter if it is an old idea. It depends on its popularity and the popularity of the PATPAY thread was immense.;)

@ Agent: It is quite logical to close a thread, when he gets to big, but to close the new thread of the PATPAY isn't.;)

[Derby]

Originally posted by Piccolo
HA,veeeery good reason.
So now forum games are an offense?
Highly interesting,and amusing,too!:p
It's especially nice to see how you people are giving the high number of replies as a reason of closure while the new one almost HAD NONE AT ALL!:p

Unlike the first word association, Post About the Poster Above You was not closed due to a high number of replies. It was a convenient time to close it after ten thousand replies because it was half-expected to be closed after that many replies. While I have never compiled a list of reasons to have the topic closed, there are many, and if anyone had the most support for its closure, it would be me. So come after me. Roar. Woof. Meow. Neigh.

[Spotinik]

*agrees with spro*

btw, Megumi..that was a typo! O_O yeaah.megum is a typo of megumi...blame it on the keyboard :roll:

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Derby
Unlike the first word association, Post About the Poster Above You was not closed due to a high number of replies. It was a convenient time to close it after ten thousand replies because it was half-expected to be closed after that many replies. While I have never compiled a list of reasons to have the topic closed, there are many, and if anyone had the most support for its closure, it would be me. So come after me. Roar. Woof. Meow. Neigh.
Exactly. If it had continued any longer, people would just want it closed at the next significant number, and that would be 100,000, which is a bit high. Besides, most of the JCF expected that it would be closed at that point.

[sproedel]

Originally posted by Trafton
Opening a new version of a topic that was closed is simply reopening a topic that should be locked. It is treated just like the old topic, and therefore closed.

But you say, it was closed, cos it got too big. Well, this problem can be solved. Close the old and just make a new one. Look at the Word Association. Why didn't get it closed? The old Word Association was closed cos of 5000 replies, but the new one is still opened. Why don't they make the same with the PATPAY?

Sorry for my bad English...I hope you can understand it.

[Trafton]

As Derby said, it was just a convinient time to close it. I suppose it was sort of an honoring of a topic. It had a very long life, perhaps the longest of any thread, and that I suppose deserves respect. It was a commemerative thing as much as spam prevention.

[Derby]

Originally posted by dersproedel
But you say, it was closed, cos it got too big. Well, this problem can be solved. Close the old and just make a new one. Look at the Word Association. Why didn't get it closed? The old Word Association was closed cos of 5000 replies, but the new one is still opened. Why don't they make the same with the PATPAY?

Sorry for my bad English...I hope you can understand it.

This is incorrect. The topic was closed for other reasons than the assumed and false reason that it was closed because it had reached ten thousand posts. It was closed at that time to take everyone by less surprise.

[sproedel]

Oh cool. We can be proud of our PATPAY, huh? It had a long and proudful life, but now it is gone. Just like a funeral, or what? This is a thread and it hasn't a "life".;)

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
Also, if anyone takes offense at my post here, I apologize for the inconvenience.


~pranx0rific


Originally posted by Agent Megumi
OH NO I SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE
OH YES I AM GOING TO DIE LAUGHING


(Fawriel:User humiliation):p

Any other questions?:p

[Trafton]

Originally posted by dersproedel
Oh cool. We can be proud of our PATPAY, huh? It had a long and proudful life, but now it is gone. Just like a funeral, or what? This is a thread and it hasn't a "life".;)
I am unsure of whether that was sarcasm or not. Regardless, yes, more or less. All threads come to an end. PATPAY was one of the threads that will be remembered for a long time because of its great impact, through both the huge amount of posts (still unrivaled for the #1 most-replied topic on the board) and through its legacy of sorts. ;-P

[DarkShadow]

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
Why are you people continuing to attack and blame Trafton for every single little problem resulting from this pathetic PATPAY incident? Why? Can you please answer that? Besides, he is not a moderator; how can he close topics? Magic?

Do you see anyone else complaining about this? What about people like Shorty, Nova, ElectroPiZZa, DarkShadow, etc.? Are they sinking down to this level of childishness, and whining about the closure of one little topic? I'm afraid not; perhaps they have lives, or have more important things to be concerned about. (Posting in that thread has nothing to do with the examples I am giving, because most/all of the people I have listed above did not actively post in there.)

Please cease and desist; the problem is only getting worse as more and more people make whiny comments about it. Also, if anyone takes offense at my post here, I apologize for the inconvenience.


~pranx0rific


edit: Edit.
=(((((((((((((((((((((((((((
OMB OMB, I HAV NO WHEIR TO GET HIGH AMOUNTS OF POSTS WITHOUT BEING BANNED. >=(((((((

;-P If your existance depends on the Thread PATPAY, then go put your head in a trash can. Yay.

[Derby]

Originally posted by dersproedel
Oh cool. We can be proud of our PATPAY, huh? It had a long and proudful life, but now it is gone. Just like a funeral, or what? This is a thread and it hasn't a "life".;)

Just like the death of anything that is not going to return, users will get over it (or will at least need to). That is not to say that mourning is unacceptable; it is understandable.

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Derby
Just like the death of anything that is not going to return, users will get over it (or will at least need to). That is not to say that mourning is unacceptable; it is understandable.
Indeed, while making parallels to the death of a human being is a bit creepy, for these purposes it is not at all inaccurate. PATPAY was a big part of life for many users, thus it is hard to let go of it. However, things come and go. It is really the cycle of life. While the magnitude of the death of a person is far greater than that of a forum game like PATPAY, it is understandable to have the mourning period. People have mourning periods for even small (or relatively moderate for some) things such as this. PATPAY may be gone, but it is not forgotten.

I know this sounds quite cheesy, but it does make sense.

[sproedel]

I think this is quite a stupid reason, but if you want it like that...

[Spotinik]

come on, come to think of it, mods and admins..when you are at some forum, and there's a topic that you liked so much that it was your fave, and it was part of your life, and then, it gets many posts, and then..some day....BAM! it gets closed....what would you do? ...come on, think about it!

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Trafton
Indeed, while making parallels to the death of a human being is a bit creepy, for these purposes it is not at all inaccurate. PATPAY was a big part of life for many users, thus it is hard to let go of it.
FINALLY someone gets it!:rolleyes:

And no,our lifes do not depend on that thread,bit they're a lot less fun now...:rolleyes:

[Trafton]

As stupid as it may be, it's true; PATPAY was a good thread that went on a little long. Try to find a different thread like Word Association. It is not that PATPAY was a bad thread, but it was just time for it to close.

[Spotinik]

Word Assocation has 1 sentence, and one word at times..so chances it will GO OVER the reply limit..so yeah :roll: now why not just get PatPay back, and the whole complaining will end?O_o

......

I'm just saying that to prevent flame wars...o_0

[Trafton]

Originally posted by dalspots
Word Assocation has 1 sentence, and one word at times..so chances it will GO OVER the reply limit..so yeah :roll: now why not just get PatPay back, and the whole complaining will end?O_o

......

I'm just saying that to prevent flame wars...o_0
The only problem with that statement is that PATPAY's existance also caused flame wars, as not everyone liked it very much.

By the way, you can do WA in this format:

word
Anything you want to say.

[Spotinik]

then the complaining about closing patpay won't end!

[Fawriel]

I claim page in the name of stuff-sucks.

[groovydog]

Heh, stuff sucks nowadays, everything sucks o_O, everything always sucks!, ah well can't complain least i still have my life as I know-

Does that make sense? o_O;

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Trafton
As Derby said, it was just a convinient time to close it. I suppose it was sort of an honoring of a topic. It had a very long life, perhaps the longest of any thread, and that I suppose deserves respect. It was a commemerative thing as much as spam prevention.

I just checked. PATPAY lasted about 12 months, as opposed to Ummmm... War Stories might be back? By Various People's 21 or so months.


By the way, I always thought these word games were for you were in a car trip or something and had nothing else to do. If you have this much time to waste, while at a computer, find someone who doesn't. They'll have plenty of things to keep you from getting bored. Ever again.

[Iam Canadian]

I think the mods are hedging the answer to why we can't make a new PATPAY. :p

[Shorty]

I didn't bother reading the other pages but....I'm glad it was closed. It was time for it to be so, it lasted way too long in my view anyway. I never bothered with it.

Honestly...I don't see why ya'll are upset. It was a topic online, I don't see how one can grow an attachment to a topic...don't ya'll have anything better to do?

[Tik]

Oookay.

As the person who posted second most in the entire history of Patpay, I think I have a little bit of influence when I say that I don't mind this. Of course, I would love for the thread to be reopened. Literally from the begining of this school year to the day it was closed I enjoyed posting in Patpay and having fun conversations and all kinds of stuff...I really was attached to that thread. It wasn't even a word game..I don't know why anyone thought it was. And yes, it's popularity started a lot of really stupid forum games, but didn't you notice that at Patpay's closing the only "word games" that existed on the front page were Patpay and the new WA. So forum games and word games weren't even a problem when Patpay was closed. It did cause some trouble, but it passed with time. I barely ever saw a flame war in Patpay...in fact I can think of nothing more than a few insults here and there.

Closing it is annoying, yes, but there will be other topics to post in...that's why I started the "Absolutely Nothing" topic...just a completely non-specific general topic where anyone can post anything they want, assuming it complies with the forum rules. Patpay's closing was a tribute to it, or at least we can look at it that way.

You got to understand...that thread was NOT popular. It was only big among probably about 10 total people. Everyone else I ever talked to hated that topic for no reason besides it was a game. The administration is not in Patpay's favor and never will be, so asking for it back is completely pointless.

So...Patpay had it's year, and it was good. But it's over, so lets just move on, okay? A lot of online things I sometimes held almost sentimental attachment to have been destroyed (J2C and the JMMB for one). But you'll get over it.

[VelKa]

Originally posted by Shorty
Honestly...I don't see why ya'll are upset. It was a topic online, I don't see how one can grow an attachment to a topic...don't ya'll have anything better to do?
Sometimes I wonder if people have better things to do, too; then again, many people don't have better things to do for lack of exploration of the many realms of life. Alas, one little thread caused so much trouble. This could only mean that people need better things to worry about, or maybe they are more concerned about playing word games than living life to its fullest, I cannot say. ;-P


Anyway, my last comment here will be:

42.

Thank you.


This message from pranx0rific is hereby terminated. Good night.

[Spotinik]

well, but why da hey we can't create a new patpay?O_O everyone's avoiding answering that..O.o

[sproedel]

Originally posted by Shorty
Honestly...I don't see why ya'll are upset. It was a topic online, I don't see how one can grow an attachment to a topic...don't ya'll have anything better to do?

So, I quoted this, cos I want to show, that we have still a "life".

I am in the inet only at the evening around 8 o'clock. I could also just sit in front of the TV and watch boring and stupid series. But I like to be in the inet much more, cos there's much more to "do" as sitting in front of the TV. I am now in the 11th grade and I have to work hard for the topics, we discuss in the lessons. It is normal to get homeworks with a minimum for 3 DinA 4-sites or how ever you call the size of this collegeblock sheets. So, I am in the Inet to get infos and stuff. Besides it is quite relaxing to play games like PATPAY or to talk with other people by MSN or ICQ.

When I'm not in the Inet I do my homework, I make my job, I visit friends, I go to the doctor (yeah, every week a syringe against my allergy and 3 times patient gymnastic per week to help my back and knees, so its quite annoying), I go to training and other stuff. It is just a "normal" life as you see.
And better believe me, Agent. I worry bout much more than only this thread. I am member of the Tibet Initiative Germany e.V., I am an active demonstrant against an Iraq war and I am pretty interested in politics. So, don't say to me, I have nothing to worry bout.

But lets focus the issue. Agent, as far as I know, you like to play U2k3, do you? So, just imagine, first-person shooter would be banned, cos this genre is too old and every genre has to leave the scenery. You wouldn't like it at all and maybe you would starting complaining bout it. So, then I could also say:"How can anyone complaining bout the closure of this stupid genre? Its just dumb and senseless to kill people to get points. Don't you have a life, or what?"
I don't really like those games, but I accept them and I don't complain bout them. But this is what you do. You complain bout the people, who want the PATPAY back and I don't see the problem, why you just don't let us want to have that thread back.
And I see your problem bout insulting Trafton for closing the thread. But I want you see, when you give a comment bout the man, who will ban the first person shooter...

And sorry for my bad English.

[groovydog]

Yeah... a new patpay wouldn't kill us, we just want patpay back!, thats all.... no patpay then flame wars and such will start

Members vs Admins

The final decision o_O'

[Shorty]

I wasn't talking about you dersie (and I said that, not Megumi). I know you have another life and that you at least have other things to do online. Good for you, but that is your life, not others.

I'm talking about others who are generally upset about this and actually feel lost without it, which in turn caused the JCF to get boring? That's *a little* extreme. Topics come and go everyday....what I would like to stress is to just deal with it. It's gone, disappeared, doesn't exist. I am just saying some of you need to JUST GET OVER IT! It's not coming back.


As for "Why can't we have a new PATwhateveritis", why would they let you have another?! THEY JUST CLOSED ONE! If they wanted another, they wouldn't have closed the first, righ? Common sense!!


It's not coming back and apparently, since it's the same people who post, no one cares THAT much besides a dedicated few. As one member, I, for once, actually support the admins on this one.

[Tik]

Did no one read my last reply or something? Geez. I was 2nd most active in that thread and I am fine with its closing. There are other things on the JCF, blah. Whatever.

[Trafton]

On a somewhat related note, "Post About the Poster Below You" is either the worst or funniest topic of all time. I still have not decided. Still, I think that...uh...that's a strange idea for a topic. ;-P

[Disguise]

I think this page explains it pretty much:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3785&perpage=40&pagenumber=251

The time on the first post(GMT, my time) is 2:11am. The time on the last post is 2:45am. That is a total of 34 minutes for an ENTIRE PAGEof posts, and inbetween that time I closed it for a short period of time. Notice the HUGE time delay of 5 ENTIRE MINUTES between two posts, the biggest one on the page. A further while down there are 5 posts posted in the SAME MINUTE! Word association didn't even have the same amount of posts in that period of time, and all you need to do is post ONE WORD.

Sure, I could understand that it is near the 10,000th post and that people would generally post more over this period, but the 10,000th post has already been posted, and most of the talk about that post was on the previous page even.

Try to persuade me this isn't spam :p

[FQuist]

Originally posted by groovydog
Yeah... a new patpay wouldn't kill us, we just want patpay back!, thats all.... no patpay then flame wars and such will start

Members vs Admins

The final decision o_O'

That is very low, you know. We don't accept treats, too.

[Fawriel]

This won't lead to anything.
The ones who want the game are sure they're right,the admins think they're right,and all the others,too...NOONE'S gonna be persuaded by anything.

As some(prolly not) last words of mine here,I wanna say that I have to agree with Spaztic one some things.
It wasn't the THREAD we cared about...it was the people. You CAN get attached to PEOPLE,you know...:rolleyes:

And I have to agree with Sproedli,EVERYBODY'S gonna react like this would one of their favourite hobbies simply...VANISH!

So whattabout this now:
We've built this whole board for a GAME!
With HILARIOUS LITTLE BUNNIES as protagonists!
AND TURTLES AS MAIN ENEMIES!
And you don't call THAT whatever you called the PatPay?(I'm sure words like "pathetic" have fallen...)
Think about all the realtionships in Jazz2.
The PatPay was simply a game like that.It was possible to make friends for life there,really!(I know what I'm talking about...met Pho and Sproedli there.)
And we're PATHETIC for being ATTACHED to that"useless thread"?
Think about it or leave it be,but don't give us the same,used arguments over and over again.

[VelKa]

Sigh. Here we go again, running around in circles.

You apparently don't know who I am, dersproedel. Please don't pretend to, either; I am not really that immature, regardless of what people may claim. (I don't know what this 'u2k3' thing is, but I assume you mean 'ut2k3', or some variation thereof.) Think about it, if UT2k3 became banished, would I come whining to you, and make 5 separate threads about it? Probably not, because I know that you would not care; also, whining to people who obviously do not care is a waste of time and energy. However, it is unfair to deny that whining about PATPAY to people who obviously don't care is also a waste of time. Unfortunately, I have a lot of other things to do besides whine about games, whether they are FPS-type or word games.

Besides, in the first place, I wasn't actually referring to you; it is apparent to me that you have other things to do, but I am unsure of whether most of the other posters do. Yeah, I really love how people think I am talking to them, when I am not, and thereby take offense at the wrong things. ;-P

You brought up a good point, though. What if UT2k3, which is one of my favorite games/diversions, was banned for some reason or another? Yes, I love playing it, especially with ElectroPiZZa and Trafton. Yes, it might cause a few problems, but look at my views. First of all, UT2k3 has a larger community (i.e., more than 10 people play it), and for it to disappear, would be highly unlikely. Secondly, if I really wanted to complain, I would go to a UT2k3 forum and whine there, knowing that it is in the company of many other people who feel the same. Complaining here, in a place where only about 5 people play it regularly, would be folly. Third, I could always return to many of my other hobbies, such as writing, drawing, composing poems, etc., that are not UT2k3-related. There are also other games besides UT2k3 that I could play, too.


This "members vs. Admins" myth is actually more like "7-10 members (not sure how many) vs. Admins and the Other Members Who Don't Care", when you consider it.



<i>Posted by DarkShadow</i>
=(((((((((((((((((((((((((((
OMB OMB, I HAV NO WHEIR TO GET HIGH AMOUNTS OF POSTS WITHOUT BEING BANNED. >=(((((((

;-P If your existance depends on the Thread PATPAY, then go put your head in a trash can. Yay.
I seriously hope that people are not this dependent on PATPAY, but I cannot say for sure. ;-P



(People...if you would, please call me pranx0rific, or pranx0r. I would appreciate that. Thanks.)


~pranx0rific

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Shorty
I didn't bother reading the other pages but.... I never bothered with it.
Senseful.
(Fawriel:User humiliation)
I know you'll hate me for this,but I can't let a chance go to make someone contradict themself(gr?)....:D

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
Think about it, if UT2k3 became banished, would I come whining to you, and make 5 separate threads about it?
I don't think I recall one person making several threads at once.


And yes,we know we're a small part of the community only.And prolly that we can't win this whatever-it-is either.
But,well,that's life...we will get over it,but til then,we'll keep fighting,I think..:D
And personally,I take this as a replacement for the PatPay-game...Discussing is fun!:p

[Trafton]

Simplifying this to members versus administrators is not an appropriate measure. In fact, it is very low and I do not think it should be tolerated. After all, you far overestimate the amount of members who believe that PATPAY should remain. Many agree that it should be closed, even deleted. Turning this into administrators versus members is completely ridiculous. No one is at war here.

VelK's UT2K3 analogy was, well, a bit flawed, but still a good example. No one did make seven topics at once, but there were about three all asking what came of PATPAY. No one apparently bothered to check if there was already a topic such as this.

PATPAY was just a game. There are many other threads. As opposed to pointing out small deficiencies in analogies in these posts, please concentrate on the "big picture" if you will. We will get no where if we continue to argue these proverbial specks of dust regarding proper treatment of analogies, opinions, and some contradictions that may or may not occur when people are posting a lot and not necessarily concentrating on making sure everything matches. Those are small things, and do not merit discussion.

[Fawriel]

Traft:

1.You didn't listen to my opinion about"just a game".

2.Basically this seems to be some kinda guerilla-war,if you want to compare it to something really bad.Actually it's just a weird discussion.

3.I was just pointing out mistakes like that cos I was bored.Sue me!:p

Heehee,this is starting to be real fun!:D

[Trafton]

Comparing this to geurilla war is...well...strange. I fail to see the relationship.

As for saying that PATPAY is a game like JJ2 and deserves just as much respect: the community is JJ2. The community is not PATPAY. While many community members may choose to play such word games as PATPAY, it isn't a huge part of the community. I guarantee you that eventually you will not miss PATPAY that much at all. The best thing to do is accept that it is gone and not coming back, because it is not coming back and it is, of course, gone. There is really very little to be done about it.

There are alternative games. I honestly think that because you want PATPAY back so much you are not looking at alternatives - play Jazz 2, play another game, there's all kinds of things to do. PATPAY is not the end of the world, nor is it the entire world. I know that this may not be true, but I think it might be what is happening.

Try things like levelmaking, tileset creating, art, drawing, and similar - reading, even. They pass time very well. PATPAY is not the only enjoyable activity out there.

[Violet CLM]

Of course, if you wish, you can create some script/program/whatever to play PATPAY on some web page of your own. Even a Oneliner thing like at Haze's Hideout would work.

[Blackraptor]

-All things die sometime

I guess that includes threads that were the most popular in JCF. I just wish I was on when people were debating about closing the thread so I could ove supported the thread. I will definately miss the thread, and I am proud for those 531 (around that number, I think) that have been in that thread. Though it WAS a pure spam thread, it helped to attract more members to JCF. Goodbye, old friend........

[Shorty]

Ok, Piccolo, humiliation for you. I'm sorry if you didn't catch it, but you can't quote someone while chopping out stuff in between. Then it isn't a quote, but propaganda. By other pages, I meant this topic and it not being bothered with was PATWHATEVER. Thus, I did not contradict myself. I'm sorry if you didn't catch that...aww poor baby.

And another thing, you hold the FRIENDS you made there dear to you. Not the THING that made you meet them. Goodie, you made friends...keep them, let how you made them go.

And honestly, did you expect PAT to last forever? It's not the world and your world shouldn't resvolve around something (dare I say it) so USELESS.

[Tubz]

All topics get closed at 10,000 posts anyway. Naa, PATPAL was great, though it sucked near it's demise cause everyone spammed. PATPBL just doesn't have as much essence as PATPAL did.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Shorty
Ok, Piccolo, humiliation for you. I'm sorry if you didn't catch it, but you can't quote someone while chopping out stuff in between. Then it isn't a quote, but propaganda. By other pages, I meant this topic and it not being bothered with was PATWHATEVER. Thus, I did not contradict myself. I'm sorry if you didn't catch that...aww poor baby.
....
And honestly, did you expect PAT to last forever? It's not the world and your world shouldn't resvolve around something (dare I say it) so USELESS.
1.Well,about the quoting,that might be true,maybe that text I edited out made it not-contradictory....but I seriously didn't *understand* that post much after all...:p
Well excuse me please english ain't my first language!:rolleyes:

2.Calling PatPay useless is useless. Cos uselessness is useless to tell others who already knew about uselessness around.

3.42.

42.About"aww,poor baby"....HEY! Xb What was THAT for? I think you took my little creation of boredom a little too hard...:rolleyes:

1337.I'm just here for fun anyways.I KNOW THERE WON'T BE A NEW PATPAY! I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS THE WORLD! AND OMGLOLOLROFLOL U SO YAY FOR REDUCE SPAM LOL BUT NOW PPL WIL MAK NU THREDZ FOR SPMA LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111=))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))

Noticed that?:D
More spam-threads appeared...before it was at least kept in one!:p

Well,over and out,this is starting to get boring andI dun wanna get myself banned should one of our admin-buddies have a bad day today...THANKS FOR DISCUSSING WITH ME,GUYS! HAD FUN!:D

[Tik]

I was just going to mention that, after Patpay was closed a flood of new word/forum game topics opened up. Kind of ironic, eh?

[VelKa]

What is Shorty supposed to do, whine about the thread being closed, or sit back and let everyone complain? Or, should she attempt to make her point clear, even though few people understand it? I think she makes more sense with her arguments, than many people who are mindlessly complaining about something that will not come back.

Calling something useless is not entirely useless, provided that you have a reasonable amount of actual evidence to back up your theory. If you cannot do so, then making statements such as "this is useless" is indeed useless, because you lack a logical reason to fall back upon, should someone question your statement. ;-P


~pranx0rific

[Fawriel]

But you have to give discussing with someone who doesn't want to at all IS useless!:p

[Violet CLM]

"But you have to give discussing with someone who doesn't want to at all IS useless!"
I believe the Admins do not want to discuss this matter. There you have it.

I still say you should just make some seperate web page where you can play PATPAY (script, program, oneliner thing, whatever) without being frowned upon.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Unknown Rabbit
"But you have to give discussing with someone who doesn't want to at all IS useless!"
I believe the Admins do not want to discuss this matter. There you have it.

I still say you should just make some seperate web page where you can play PATPAY (script, program, oneliner thing, whatever) without being frowned upon.
Firstly,lol.

Secondly,something like that's being made.......but I dun like the site....Xb

[Blackraptor]

Its time to move on people, the word association thread is waiting for us.....

I think no matter how many spam threads people close, we will make new ones. Like the word association, it was closed, people were angry, but then PATPAY came in. Now word association is claiming the members. The community jumps from one spam thread to another. People will forget about the thread over time..

[Krezack]

Get over the stupid thread.

[VelKa]

Originally posted by Krezack
Get over the stupid thread.
Before anyone says something potentially defamatory to counter Krezack, I would like to congratulate him for his directness in giving his honest opinion. Thank you very much, Krezack.



What I am going to say now is that no matter how much PATPAY fans attempt to persuade those who dislike it, nothing new or better will come of it.

You may think that I am being somewhat harsh here by critisizing PATPAY, but consider this: you cannot convince me to think otherwise, and I cannot convince you to think otherwise. Therefore, since it is blatantly clear that I am not planning on altering my opinion to reflect the opinions of those who are supporters of PATPAY, I highly suggest that we end this matter now, and simply put it to rest. The sooner we leave it behind, the sooner we can move on to newer, better things.

There are obviously more important things to consider and worry about; therefore, instead of wasting my time generating argument after argument to counter everything said here, I will finally cease and desist, <i>providing</i> that everyone else does so. Thank you for your time and consideration.



~pranx0rific

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
You may think that I am being somewhat harsh here by critisizing PATPAY, but consider this: you cannot convince me to think otherwise, and I cannot convince you to think otherwise. Therefore, since it is blatantly clear that I am not planning on altering my opinion to reflect the opinions of those who are supporters of PATPAY, I highly suggest that we end this matter now, and simply put it to rest. The sooner we leave it behind, the sooner we can move on to newer, better things.

~pranx0rific
Which is what I said already.:p

[VelKa]

Originally posted by Piccolo
Which is what I said already.:p
If you had <i>thought</i> this way, instead of merely <i>saying</i> it, everything might have been a lot easier for everyone. In the first place, I did not see you mention anything about "put the matter to rest" in the beginning; you seemed to be more concerned about complaining. Think about what you say versus what you actually do; actions speak louder than words, for the most part.


~pranx0rific

[VelKa]

Also, it is rather impressive that a maintenance topic concerning one largely unimportant, spam-filled thread has resulted in a four-page long thread. Well, impressive is not the correct word; this can be described better as 'amusing', or perhaps 'disturbing'. Hopefully, this unfortunate, largely preventable thing will not happen again in the future. (i.e., If another large word-game topic is closed for obvious reasons, I would insist that people allow it to die without raising troublesome questions.)


~pranx0rific

(I claim this page for Shorty.)

[Fawriel]

Why? The duscussing stuff was fun!:D

I personally find it more"amusing" that everybody still keeps writing such long posts altho everything's clear already...^-^

[Krezack]

Originally posted by Piccolo
Why? The duscussing stuff was fun!:D

I personally find it more"amusing" that everybody still keeps writing such long posts altho everything's clear already...^-^

Is that what this is to you, Fun? Like PATPAY? I see now.

[Fawriel]

So what's wrong with that?

Sheesh,you sound so dissapointed,you don't want to tell me you thought this"telling-spammers-they've-been-having-fun-in-a-useless-thread" was SO serious and tragic and NOTHING TO KID ABOUT?! :rolleyes:

[VelKa]

Originally posted by Piccolo
So what's wrong with that?

Sheesh,you sound so dissapointed,you don't want to tell me you thought this"telling-spammers-they've-been-having-fun-in-a-useless-thread" was SO serious and tragic and NOTHING TO KID ABOUT?! :rolleyes:
When I used to hear about illiterate students graduating from school, I often wondered how that was possible. But after encountering some of Microsoft's more immature holier-than-thou attitudes, I now realize that not only is it possible for people to graduate without having learned fundamental skills such as reading and writing, but that it's possible for these same people to believe that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not. Before I start, however, I should state that to understand what Microsoft's particularly brown-nosing form of paternalism has encompassed as a movement and as a system of rule, we have to look at its historical context and development as a form of daft politics that first arose in early twentieth-century Europe in response to rapid social upheaval, the devastation of World War I, and the Bolshevik Revolution. Socrates was condemned to death by the city of Athens for his views. I hope I don't receive the same treatment for saying that Microsoft claims that dishonest, unconscionable mystics are inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive. Well, I beg to differ. Given the range and unpredictability of human behavior, it is quite possible that Microsoft tries to make us think the way it wants us to think, not by showing us evidence and reasoning with us, but by understanding how to push our emotional buttons.

I find that I am embarrassed. Embarrassed that some people just don't realize that Microsoft should think about how its opinions lead whiney trolls to goad the most loud bottom-feeders you'll ever see into hurling epithets at its enemies. If Microsoft doesn't want to think that hard, perhaps it should just keep quiet. While it is not my purpose to incriminate or exculpate or vindicate or castigate, Microsoft can't possibly believe that its slurs won't be used for political retribution. It's stupid, but it's not that stupid.

It's not just that Microsoft is the root of all evil, but also that I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with it. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I reverse the devolutionary course Microsoft has set for us. Microsoft talks loudly about family values and personal responsibility, but when it comes to backing up those words with actions, all it does is defile the present and destroy the future. While everybody believes in something, Microsoft's simple faith in absenteeism will judge people by the color of their skin while ignoring the content of their character. We must teach vengeful, incomprehensible meatheads about tolerance in such as way that there is nothing Microsoft can do about it except learn to live with the fait accompli. I wish I could put it more delicately, but that would miss the point. Believe it or not, Microsoft's speeches are full of declamation, bloviation, obfuscation, and equivocation. Sadly, lack of space prevents me from elaborating further.

Microsoft's stratagems are not witty satire, as it would have you believe. They're simply the tendentious ramblings of something that has no idea or appreciation of what it's mocking. Need I point out that Microsoft is a bad role model for children? I could accept, perhaps, stupid stories backed by the forces of logic and powerful reasoning. Arguments marked with hypocrisy and contradiction, however, merit none of my respect. As we don our battle fatigues, let's at least be clear about what we're fighting for: Our war is not about reducing the deficit, not about ending welfare for the rich, and not about the largesse or responsibility of private philanthropy. All we want is for Microsoft's apologists not to portray myopic, self-absorbed converts to philistinism as sad sacks.

As part of its efforts to gain a mainstream following, Microsoft publishes the Journal of Pushy Expansionism. Included alongside articles discussing history, culture, art, religion, and philosophy are endorsements of Microsoft's plans to shower unimaginative anarchists with undeserved praise. Some manipulative, uncouth big-mouths have raised objections to my proposed social programs, but their objections are all politically motivated. I'll let you in on a little secret: we must reach out to people with the message that Microsoft is an organization with more ambition than conviction. We must alert people of that. We must educate them. We must inspire them. And we must encourage them to delegitimize it. Okay, I've written enough for one letter, so let me just finish by saying that Microsoft lectures us about alcoholism so often that it may soon become a major source of hearing loss.



~pranx0rific DM

[Fawriel]

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