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Personally, I feel it is the TNT, since you haveta usually drop like 10 of 'em to actually HURT a player! I'd like the TNT better if it stayed where you put it for ~ 5 minutes or whatnot and acted like a mine. It'd be good in CTF, so you can have a slight protection around yer base when you're gone...

The pepper spray is cool, but there's nothing special about it. The Freezer only freezes a player for like 0.5 seconds. If you're frozen, keep pressing shoot and you'll smash out of frozen mode in a second! The opponent doesn't even have enough time to butt-stomp you... which sucks. All other guns are good.
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It depends on the situation, I wouldn't use blaster when shooting somone when i'm on a laedge (shooting someone lower than me), I'd use bouncey or Seeker.



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Ice, TNT, pepper spray. In this order.
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The worst guns are Frostbiter, & TNT.
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Of course the ICE gun!!!!!

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Blaster: It is almost the only thing I use in SP.

Blue Bouncy Bullets: I learned it's true worth yesterday in a 9-10 battle. I lost.

Freezer: Race. Need I say more?

Homer Missiles: Not one word is needed.

RF Missile: Higly useful in chases.

Toaster: Very useful, can't put the way it is into words, however.

TNT: Secrets?

Pepper Spray: Practicly useless.

Electro Blaster: Powerups and isolated other players.



I would say....... PEPPER SPRAY!
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I'd say the least useful weapon for multiplayer mode would be ice. It does no damage, and unless you're racing, it gives you little to no advantage.



In a close second, pepper spray. The only cool thing about it is that it gives off more than one bullet automatically, but that doesn't make up for how completely useless it is.



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somebody with a lot of time and some skill could create a NEW most useless gun! Or if they wanted to be boring it could be useful.
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Ice and TNT, I hate it.



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Useful? How about a Electro Blaster/Homing Missile mix?
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*gawps* A seeker that goes through walls? That's too good! People would hate it
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The worst weapon would be TNT. But I've never played online so I wouldn't know.
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I'd say, TNT and Ice. TNT does no damage and Ice is only an advantage when trying to beat someone to something. (such as the flag in CTF or a Race game)



Pepper Spray is actually a pretty handy weapon, it's so effective in chases.
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Pepper spray bullets move slow compared to RF missiles or the blaster, which is why I feel it is useless. Also, you can't get 'em in crates, which is junk. Hey, Freezers are better than TNT, whether you like it or not... If someone were to drop a TNT, the Ice freezes the TNT! :P



Honestly, Epic should increase the freezing time, so you can buttstomp the player, and the TNT should actually hurt a player and stay where you put it longer... like mines.
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Pepper, TNT, Ice, Useless
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I don't believe any weapons are good, but if the toaster REALLY fired out toast, it would be the best. =)



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I beg to differ. I believe the Seeker is the most useless weapon in the game. Seriously, does it serve any purpose? So it homes in on others. It has such a large curve that it cannot home on others accurately. It's only useful for poor shots, IMHO, and you all shouldn't be poor shots (add to that it's the slowest gun in the game). =P

Pepper Spray rules. It is great for Tunnel Ratting and just plain cool. =P

Ice, well, is only good for Race or LANs, but that's still better than a gun that just hurts with a minimal tracking ability, is slow, and can't be upgraded with fastfire.

And TNT absolutely ruxors in Single. Also somewhat useful for keeping people of your tail in multi, even though it doesn't hurt (face it, if it did, it'd be too cheap!).
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On some rare cases, TNT does deal damage, powered up or not. That is when you get the old phrase "You ate it" or "You killed yourself".



I don't use seekers too often, myself. I usually use my blaster, bouncers, RF missiles, and pepper spray, if I have any of these to use. However, overall, I use weapon 0 (buttstomp) frequently to shake off distant and semi-close fire.
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If you kill someone with TNT then you don't get a roast, so if your playing for number of roasts then TNT sucks but if it's number of kills then TNT can be pretty officiant.

I see many of you are saying Pepper Spray, i think not: P-Spray can shoot 45 dagree angels (if you know how to use it ).

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PS-I'm not trying to cover up for poor old Pepper Spray 'cause i don't even use it much.



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I like the toaster gun!!
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TNT= the bunny's best friend!
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I liked the original JJ1 concept of TNT better. In it, TNT was rare, but you could use it to clear pretty much almost everything you could see! Now *that* was useful.



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Yes TNT truly was awesome in jazz1 but in jj2 I would have to say it is the most useless gun



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Why all the harrassment towards the seekers? Once I was at a cliff side, all I did was shoot the Seekers forward and they go straight down! They go pretty fast if you run and shoot Seekers, too. Yes, Pepper spray can shoot at some strange angles, if you aim up and keep shooting. TNT would be more useful if it was RARE and actually did damage. I wouldn't mind it if it stayed how it is, but it should just stay where you dropped it, so you can set up mines or whatnot in front of your flag. It might be annoying, but hey: you can shoot 'em and they go off in a chain reaction! Plus, they'd go off automatically in a few minutes. not as soon as they leave your screen like how they are now.
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Problem is, most people think "Multiplay" icludes Battle and CTF only. But there;s also treasure and race. So weapons as Frostbiter, which is useless in battle, can come in quite handy in Racegames.

I think Pepperspray is useless, cos of it's range and power. Other weapons can easily replace it.

The most dishonorable weapon are the seekers. I think not much skill is needed for them;just launch them.

I'm gonna post some weapon descriptions on the board soon. So everyone can judge it themselves.
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Stunts, you're forgetting Cooperative.
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Also the Seekers suck sometimes because they shoot invisible walls! Highly annoying. Especially in Duels.
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In low lag or low ping situations, the seeker is good as well as the powered-up icer since you usually get enough time to kick or buttstomp to deal quite some damage. The RF, powered up and very rapid firing Blaster, Bouncer, Electroblaster, and sometimes Pepperspray are always useful to me. As for the the TNT and Flamethrower I find them useful only in single player.
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Hmmheh.

I remember good old TNT. ^-^

Really a crapper now. We all know it.

I think, of course, it wasn't supposed to be so worthless. It's decent in Single Player.

I'm ***uming they had problems programming TNT to work properly in Multi without it being mindlessly cheap. It's not a onehit kill. Of course, a player could make walls of static damage-dealing devices. Not a good thing. They might bust themselves into small messy pieces, but quite an expense goes to the enemy player too...

No way it was supposed to be a meaningless little 'push'...'bounce' weapon.

I mean ya know they didn't finish it. There was supposed to be a nice big Powerup but they probably didn't know what to do with it.

All it does now is double the damage....of course you can't normally get it. It's just as useless. It has to be TNT.



Pepper Spray isn't so hot but with fastfire it's no worse than much else. The angle-firing is a mistake that they intentionally or inadvertantly left. Jazz/Spaz were supposed to be able to fire anything at an angle. Q_O It could be worse. It's not bad at all. This was another unfinished weapon?

I think so...remember the old version in OEM that's this messy fireball thing?



Ice is a mess in some Multiplayer games because of lag, where it does absolutely nothing. It's okay otherwise...not the absolute worst. Everyone's mentioned race where it certainly is mean and good. ^-^

Nice in singleplayer too. Not many enemies can bust out.



Seekers are decent but mindlessly cheap when powered-up. The advantage is clear. You have to fight fire with fire. >_<



Toaster isn't all so wonderful because it usually requires a close range. Of course in that situation, if you're fast and sneaky, it's really good. ^-^ The enemy player gets their rump scorched. Maybe incinerated, with the p'weredup Weapon. Bad times.



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BBT is cool. The bounce factor is an advantage held by no other gun. Shoots really high. You can knock down prizes. Shoots thru walls when you run fast. ^-^

The powerup is sweet. Mows right through the enemy, you can send a whole mess of em. And you can shoot from above and get a whole different angle of attack.



Blaster is simple but precise and brutal. With fastfire especially. No problems. Power it up it's unstoppably nice. No special effects necessary.



RF is powerful. No complaints here. The recoil is a mess, but you can execute rocket manuevers with that in mind. Rocket Punch and Jet Kick, I suppose. ^-^ Awesome.

The powerup, everyone loves that. And no wonder. It's one of the better.



Electroblaster is good with shooting thru walls in mind but how often do you haveto do this? It's not so hot. It's good in some situations. But otherwise it's slow. Not horrendously craptastic but it ain't good.



The worst weapon (in multi situations)...is the Shield. ^-^ Not because I don't like it.

But because you just can't use em! No one can stand it because of the remarkable cheap factor. They're really good, but where they give ya temporary unscathability and a dual power Blaster...no one wants to put up with that. So it's the worst...can't use em without being scolded and feeling sheepish. Not that you'd want to...better to try and win with some of the above weapons. ^-^



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Now now people, I need to point out a few little known facts.



Pepper Spray shoots faster than any other weapon, it can be pretty powerful if used correctly.



Pepper spray and Electro Blaster even if powered up still do 1 damage.
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B-B's, I consider these to be the most un-useful, since either powered up or not, they do a measly one damage, and don't cover much of a range, though their shoot out far, thats about the only good feature on them
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You people don't know how useful the ice gun is!

A true jazzer knows the full potential to any weapon, personally, I don't use TNT period, and I use ice to freeze someone, and then blast the crap outta them, I don't care what weapon I use(besides tnt)Its a good setup
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(I'd be referring bb's to Pepper Spray, and yes, see bobby point there, thats ONE of the reasons why hes one of the best jazzers of all time
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Yes, good points ev'ryone! But you are all still missing the point! TNT is FINE how it is, but it just needs to stay where you deployed it for longer than it stays now. Once your character leaves the screen with the TNT on it, it detonates! It should act like a mine, and stay where you put it, so you can defend your CTF base without anyone in it. It won't be annoying, because you can easily shoot the TNT down and levels don't have that much TNT on it anyways.



Too bad Epic Megagames wouldn't release the source code so SOMEONE could patch up the 1,000,000 bugs in JJ2, like the CTF bug when played split-screen!
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The least useful weapons would be TNT. Even though it can dislodge seekers it's still not too usefull.



I don't know why everyone's dissing the pepper though. As Bobby said, it's the fastest gun there is, and when storming down corridors, there are only 2 guns better.
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TNT can be used defensively, if you have lots of people shooting at you, just put a load down, and you can deflect their fire.. I made a lvl based on that, not very good, but still..
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Actually, Ice is the most usless. It can not hurt anyone. Pepper spray does have something special. If you shoot it in rappid fire, in a foward direction, then (still shooting) hold "up", it will shoot diagnal. Not super amazing, but still special. TNT is good, cuz it'll blow up any kind of blow upable brick.
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actually, ice isnt as useless as many ppl think. ever been in a server with those evil shields(battle 1, ctf3 and so on)? well if someone grabs a shield (i was gonna put a word here, but this could be an offence against less-experienced, new people ), use the ice to freeze em, then kick or shoot em. he will get hurt even though he has a shield.



i think the most useless weapon in mp is TNT, as it doesnt hurt 9/10 of the times.
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pepper spray is very useful if someone's diaginally above or below, as long as they're not using seekers. Pepper spray gives you about a second of firing advantage over the blaster, if they're far enough away (bouncer is similar, but can't shoot up...)
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I love pepper spray, it doesn't give you the recoil of RFs, and you can fire it up, then run and have fast fire and shoot a 2d field of them long range. like a giant rectangle of damage.
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