National Tourney... ?

[Raven aka StL]

@ Yasco and Sucer: As I said, it will be 4v4 till it's absolutely (and I mean ABSOLUTELY) clear that it'll fail being 4v4. Only then will it become 3v3.

@ Yasco: Belgium has signed in.

@ Sucer: All of those are being taken care of, and it is 4v4 for now!

[Sasik]

It looks like you are trying to make it 4vs4 because only then you're sure that you will play for your national team. Good idea.

However, I doubt this tourney will work, so who cares :rolleyes:

[cooba]

As I said, it will be 4v4 till it's absolutely clear that it'll fail being 4v4. Only then will it become 3v3.And seeing as no one wants a 4on4...

[Yasco]

@gry : Me , sq , enig & scare , that makes 4 indeed. But it would be hard to get all of us ready each time we have to play...
@wallace : Belgium has signed as you said before that it'd be 3v3

[NovaStar]

4v4 is a doomed failure, hands down.
Ok, well this is proving A LOT more difficult than I first thought. But! I may have managed to pull through with a team if it's 3v3.

Team Australia
NovaStar
Dawson
The Killer

Yeah, not very good in experience, probably the underdogs, but hey, we'll give it a shot. After all, that is what being an Aussie is about : D

[Sucer]

It looks like you are trying to make it 4vs4 because only then you're sure that you will play for your national team.

Unfortunently this seems to be his idea:(

No one wants a 4vs4 tourney so why on earth would we make it one?

[Speeza]

make it 3v3 please.

any one up for team england?

[Raven aka StL]

@ About everyone: Fine, it's from here on in 3v3, continue signing up!

@ Sucer: There's no "we"...

@ Ryder: I'm very sorry, but you're dead... goodbye.

EDIT: Happy New Year in 19,16 h

[eNriCo]

i can get 3 or 4 players for italian team
at the moment i have 3:

-riccardo
-enrico
-carlo

if 3 are insufficient, i'll try to get the fourth

[Nielsje]

I might help in organising if enough people want me to.

:gabber:

[Vegito]

Wow, that would at least make the tournament better. The chances of getting this tournament ruined would be smaller than with Wallace alone :P

[Raven aka StL]

Indeed, it's not that I wouldn't have said that myself, so your flame tag was ruined :p

And I'd appreciate that Chippie.

[Jerrythabest]

<strike>WCIII</strike>

this'll work, it's nice ideas... you can surely do it.

will there be a 2nd class tournament too? I'd like to participate :lol:

[Raven aka StL]

Why thank you, and no idea.

[Sucer]

Italy has signed up! This is a pleasant surprise. Maybe if you need a fourth, try Flea from DM. He was quite active a half a year ago and he's sure a very good player.

USA should join. All we need is Dizzy:P If he plays maybe Aaron will also and then they can find a pro like Salamander to play as the third. If this would happen the tournament would be very nice. Also Veg would wake up from his deep sleep and play for the Netherlands which will inspire the rest of the good oldies who still are not in, to play in this tournament.

[R3ptile]

Flea is not from Italy, and he's in DM, not GpW

[Sucer]

Flea is not from Italy, and he's in DM, not GpW

His e-mail adress is Fleagpw etc. so you must understand my mistake. And he is FROM Italy! He lives in the netherlands but I think he still has the nationality of Italy.

[Sasik]

Italy has signed up! This is a pleasant surprise.
I have told them about the Tourney and asked if they can sign up. There are plenty of new players now and I think we could get more national teams. However, this should be job for creator of this tourney to get more players and contact them. :o

[Raven aka StL]

Exactly. Also what Sucer said about Flea was crap and everything else he said was nothing new...

Please refrain from spamming.

[Sucer]

Oh. Emp lies. Ask Flea. He is FROM ITALY. He just lives in the Netherlands.

So we have Italy, Poland, The netherlands, Finland, Belgium and Sweden signed up so far. Then if two of UK, Canada, Isreael and USA would play we would have eight teams and then the tournament would have enough teams to be called a tournament.

We could play in two divisons consisting of 4 players. Every team in the division plays againts other teams. And the best would play againts the second best of the other division. Then the winners would play the final.

[NovaStar]

You forgot Australia. And if it was two divisons consisting of 4 players we most certainly wouldn't be able to participate.

[Sucer]

of Course if we get nine teams or ten teams the system would change. We could play three divisions of 3 players if nine teams are in. The best of each team automatically get's to the semi finals and the losers play a small tournament and the winner is the fourth semifinalist or something.

Every country that has enough players and wants to play can join

[Raven aka StL]

Sucer, stop talking like you'd be the one organizing this tournament.
You don't set any rules or standards. Refrain from using bold text.
And there is no "we" about this.

[Vegito]

However Sucer was right about Flea. ;P
Anyways, I dont know if there's another country which can play.
Oh well.

[Raven aka StL]

On a side note: If you were born in Korea and now live in the US. You can't play for the US, only Korea (in this case). I do guess everyone knew that already so just nvm.

[Vegito]

For who does that count? :s

[Jerrythabest]

I guess for anyone?

I've been thinking about a big tournament to replace WC3 but I'm not done thinking and it won't start soon anyway...

[Blackraptor]

On a side note: If you were born in Korea and now live in the US. You can't play for the US, only Korea (in this case). I do guess everyone knew that already so just nvm.


This would mean that, if for whatever reason i get drunk or something and DO decide to participate, that I wouldn't be able to play for Canada anyways ;P. gg

[R3ptile]

On a side note: If you were born in Korea and now live in the US. You can't play for the US, only Korea (in this case). I do guess everyone knew that already so just nvm.
What a stupid rule. People could always lie about the place their place of birth, and it also forces some people to play for nations they have nothing to do with anymore.

[Yasco]

And what if you are born in country B and you live in country B , but both your parents are from country A?

[Sucer]

Rofl, then according to all the intelligence you would play for country B, but anything is clear when Wallace is "organizing" this tournament. This is maybe leading to nowhere.

Do I need any permission to start a tournament of my own?

[Jerrythabest]

yeah, you must ask Epic if they'll give you the rights to keep their game going :P I didn't ask anyone, and I didnt hear any angry voices yet, so I guess it's safe to start one on your own

[Raven aka StL]

@ Yasco: Again, whatever country you were born in...

Maybe that should be "whatever country you've lived in the longest"
or "whatever country means the most to you".

@ Sucer: Stop talking thrash when you can't do better yourself.
And you don't need any permission, good luck.

[Jerrythabest]

haha yeah he'll need that with today's JC

[Raven aka StL]

... and what is "today's JC"?

[NovaStar]

And sometimes there aren't any other people born in that country.

[Raven aka StL]

Don't spam, this is all basic, knoweverything stuff...

The country you have the most relation to (have lived in the longest) is what you'll play for.
So Vegito'd play for The NL, Grytolle would play for Sweden, SJ'd play for Finland etc...

This is all easy to understand stuff that no-one should make a fuss about.

[Jerrythabest]

what if your whole family lives in country A and you live in country B, but during summer you visit your family for 5 months? then you surely have something with country A:P

[Vegito]

Yes, this is just a stupid rule lmfao xD
I mean, if Gry signs up for the Netherlands you SURELY KNOW there is something wrong.
Just wait for people to sign up, and if you see someone playing for the wrong country, say so. Don't make a rule which isn't watertight at all ;P

[Jerrythabest]

Agreed. Just allow both countries: the one you are currently living in and the one you were born in

[R3ptile]

Team Israel
http://images.clanbase.com/il.gif AvK
http://images.clanbase.com/il.gif R3ptile
http://images.clanbase.com/il.gif SkulL

http://images.clanbase.com/il.gif AJazz (backup)
http://images.clanbase.com/il.gif NY00123 (backup)

[Sucer]

btw. Why am I mentioned the last in our team?

[snzspeed]

btw. Why am I mentioned the last in our team?
dude its just a list, not any kind of rank system D;

[maverick]

Could you update the list in your first post? I think we have got 8 teams already, so it's time to decide on mappool, rules etc. ;;
( Israel, Italy and Australia signed up if you haven't noticed yet ;; )

[Quickz]

Oh. Emp lies. Ask Flea. He is FROM ITALY. He just lives in the Netherlands.

I think he moved to Switzerland actually..

[Sucer]

But there is another tourney which I think will be played.. before this one xd. So...

[Jerrythabest]

there are 4 tourneys, it's hard to have them all coming one by one, just start: we'll see where stuff ends up

[Yasco]

I think he moved to Switzerland actually..


Just to study...

[Vegito]

Yep. Quickz and Yasco are right.
Anyways, will the signups start of this tournament as well or what?

[riCCardo<CC>]

I got 4 members for italian team:

-Riccardo
-Enrico
-Carlo
-Napoleon

Pls add my team! see u :D :D

[Grytolle]

What about using players that can *totally* act Swedish? =D

[Raven aka StL]

I'll be doing (and was gonna do/meant to do) exactly as Vegito said...

EDIT: One more team needed!

[Vegito]

Will you make a new thread for the signups?
Or do you count these.. o.o that is hard though.

[Raven aka StL]

The latter, as you can plainly notice.
Making another thread for minor matters refers to being spammy, disrespectful and an amateur at stuff.

I'm not that, so I'm doing it all here.

EDIT: (I made no point...)

[Vegito]

So, give me all the teams which signed up so far :)

[Sasik]

So, give me all the teams which signed up so far :)
Here? (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=385357&postcount=1) :)

[Grytolle]

(-)... why didn't you add OLsen to it? Next time when you truncate the team, please ask me :P

[Raven aka StL]

You never mentioned Olsen...

[maverick]

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=392189&postcount=256

You have forgotten Australia ;;

[Raven aka StL]

Then I'd have to eliminate 3 teams, then 2 later and then the rest'd go in a table 5 round elimination.

I shall find the time to express this in a more simplier way.

[Grytolle]

You never mentioned Olsen...I did, on soooo many occasions. And in any case, you should have asked me what members should be listed (and it's still insanely stupid to only allow 4 players on the team)

[Yasco]

Who said Pyro is in?

[Raven aka StL]

@ Gry: Well, it should show three, as backups are quite frankly limitless (from the corresponding country). I just decided to mark 4, I don't have to mark up Olsen for him to play.

@ Yasco: He did.

[R3ptile]

NL -> NED
BE -> BEL
IS (should be IL anyways) -> ISR

fix plz

and since ajazz is way too inactive our backup is NY

[Raven aka StL]

As you wish, master... :|

[Grytolle]

@ Gry: Well, it should show three, as backups are quite frankly limitless (from the corresponding country). I just decided to mark 4, I don't have to mark up Olsen for him to play.Alright then:cool:

[Raven aka StL]

Well I did anyways...

[NovaStar]

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=392189&postcount=256

No, you don't need one more team.

[Raven aka StL]

I'll see if USA's gonna make a team first.

[Grytolle]

You should accept Australia's sign up

[FireSworD]

Wallace, you got an answer already. If you want usa to sign up so bad there are some active usa players you could contact. :rolleyes:

That's your only alternative, really.

[R3ptile]

You should accept Australia's sign up
indeed, you HAVE TO

[Raven aka StL]

Edited.

But I'd appreciate it if more countries (US, UK) could find the potential to sign up (as planned) :p

[R3ptile]

there is a better flag for australia:

http://images.clanbase.com/au.gif

[R3ptile]

Both US and UK have one, maybe two active players

Australia deserves a spot way more than them.

[riCCardo<CC>]

wallace, in italian team set napoleon as backup.
bye

[Raven aka StL]

@ a bunch of loons: http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=385357&postcount=1
...I already added Australia...

@ Ricardo: ok.

[Sucer]

Eight teams. Sounds like this tourney is RTS. (Ready to start)

Nevertheless the other 3vs3 tourney which I host starts tomorrow. We could play these at the same time I guess.

[Sasik]

I think it will be better to have first the 3vs3 Tourney (Sucer's one) and after it the National Tourney.
For example, I might not have enough time to play in both Tournaments at the same time. It's likely that I'm not alone with this problem. :)

[Vegito]

It is likely we are not alone with this problem. :)

[Raven aka StL]

Eight teams. Sounds like this tourney is RTS. (Ready to start)

Nevertheless the other 3vs3 tourney which I host starts tomorrow. We could play these at the same time I guess.

Not yet, as there are still things to take care of.

[NovaStar]

Oh, and also, you'll find I go by NovaStar instead of ShadowRabbit now ;)

[master sven]

I would say I'm still the most active Dutch player atm.. Anyway, you can't know that, since you never play.. Anyway, I don't feel like playing in this tournament and take your spot anyway.

Edit:
Actually, I do feel like playing.
Nope, i m.
But u dont know cuz........:P
But im only good enough 4 a Dutch 2nd or 3rd team :p

[Raven aka StL]

@ NovaStar: ShadowRabbit is the nick of yours that has the highest reputation in this community, (though that doesn't say much)

@ Master Sven: You can be a backup for the NL, even if you don't get to play, you'll get a slight bit of credit for being available.

[Jerrythabest]

I just keep saying Shadowrabbit anyway :Z

[Raven aka StL]

ShadowRabbit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NovaStar>>>Innocent, anyways.
Case closed.

[[GpW]Urbs]

any1 up for a paneuropean team?:)

[snzspeed]

i'm in finnish team right?

[R3ptile]

Emp, I have an interesting offer for you
Contact me when you're on

[master sven]

@ NovaStar: ShadowRabbit is the nick of yours that has the highest reputation in this community, (though that doesn't say much)

@ Master Sven: You can be a backup for the NL, even if you don't get to play, you'll get a slight bit of credit for being available.

OK:D

[[GpW]Urbs]

slovenia any? just apply for citizenship plz thx

[Raven aka StL]

Yes, do that at once!
You've got 1-3 weeks depending on timing with countless factors that each could ruin or give a boost to this tourney...

Also... Here are some rules...

1. Every team will play (two) rounds against every other team. One so that the other team chooses the level and the other so that the other one does.

2. After these rounds are played (teams that don't have the slightest bit of enthusiasm to arrange games will be eliminated and treated like thrash)...
The four teams that have scored the highest will make the playoffs.
The rest will either be eliminated without further ado, (OR...
They'll play extra and the highest scoring team(s) will make it back into the playoffs.)

3. The playoffs will consist of random pairs out of the remaining four teams that will play best of 7 rounds, picking levels in turns. The last level will possibly be voted by the public (besides the teams that play).

4. The winners of both pairs will meet in a best of 5, 7 or 9 rounds finale and the winning team of that will be crowned the National Cup Champion.

More rules, likely reported in the near future!

[R3ptile]

(click (http://www.jazz2online.com/jj2wc))

[Sucer]

Sounds like we're gonna play many 3vs3 games in the future. I like your attitude Emperor and R3p. I hope I could get that attitude in my 3vs3 tourney also.

[Sasik]

Good to see that person like R3p is involved in organizing this Tourney. It makes a chance that this will work, at least.

[Raven aka StL]

Sasik, with all due respect, could you shut up? :o

[Stijn]

Wallace and Sucer, with all due respect, could you stop replying with something along the lines of "lol whiner" or "shut up" to each other's posts?

[Jerrythabest]

Stijn, with all due respect, ur right. :lol:

Now that made sense.

GJ on the <strike>website</strike> webpage =)

[Raven aka StL]

Except it didn't make any sense at all, as I said that to Sasik. >_>
It's now quite clear that you're commenting my posts for the heck of it...
And at that, it's not me who's at fault.

And now on topic. Some general rules

-Soloing / bragging about what you've done yourself in this tourney is forbidden. Everything is to that end of your team and country. Not yourself.

-Putting down other players is forbidden. Even with reason.

-Teams may use 4 backups at will. More backups may play only one game.
(There might be a change to this, but so far, it's a rule)

-Teams that don't with or without reason even try to have their matches played will be eliminated eventually.

[Grytolle]

Maybe you should note that there is a difference between 3hks caused by getting hit, without it registering locally, and the (seemingly) inexplicable 3hks that sometimes occur anyway (it's also not that easy to shut up when you instantly lose 2 or 3 scores because of a 3hk). And did you create that rule about backups just to make the list longer and feel important? It seems to fill no function whatsoever, really.

[Raven aka StL]

Don't go ahead and expect things on your own. -_-

edit: -3hk rule

[[GpW]Urbs]

ey im european, so if any team needs me, im like there for ya:)

[Raven aka StL]

Any Slovenian team* :)
I'd be glad if that happened.

[Enigma]

Maybe you should note that there is a difference between 3hks caused by getting hit, without it registering locally, and the (seemingly) inexplicable 3hks that sometimes occur anyway (it's also not that easy to shut up when you instantly lose 2 or 3 scores because of a 3hk).

Thing is that the people with less sportsmanship might lie about 3hks, claiming that every death they had while carrying the flag was a 3hk.

[Raven aka StL]

That's true, but so is what Gry said.
That's why that rule seemed thoughtless and thus was removed.

[WerBack3>>]

Cool, Will Aplly if there are more Bulgarians!

[Grytolle]

Thing is that the people with less sportsmanship might lie about 3hks, claiming that every death they had while carrying the flag was a 3hk.Even if that would happen, complaining doesn't hurt anyone but possibly the complainer (who gets chathit).

[Sasik]

-Teams that don't with or without reason even try to have their matches played will be eliminated eventually.
I don't know if I correctly understand this rule, but I do think that Sucer's 3v3 Tourney shows that arranging games only by participating teams doesn't work well. There should be made a shedule and the matches should be played in the weekend at hours set by "Supervisor" (or however you'll call yourself).
Moreover there are needed official hosts (I mean 'Cup Admins', like it was in JJ2WC).
About other rules, in my opinion, copying them from JJ2WC II (maybe with a few modifications) would be much enough.

Also, having a website, with news and results is really needed. Even simply one.

[Raven aka StL]

There should be made a shedule and the matches should be played in the weekend at hours set by "Supervisor" (or however you'll call yourself).
There are/(will be) supervisors. The rule means that if teams don't play scheduled games and keep saying that they can't (with or without reason) play, then there will be penalties and ultimately a disqualification.

Moreover there are needed official hosts (I mean 'Cup Admins', like it was in JJ2WC).
There will be.

About other rules, in my opinion, copying them from JJ2WC II (maybe with a few modifications) would be much enough.
This isn't JJ2WC II, this is The National Tournament. Although some rules might be carried over.

Also, having a website, with news and results is really needed. Even simply one.
There is one. http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=394753&postcount=343

[Raven aka StL]

The tourney will start next weekend on the 6th of February.
If there's a change, I'll tell about it here.
The first pairings will be signed momentarily. Likely before wednesday.
Same goes for the final Mappool.

Remember:

-Each team will play two rounds against every other team.
One so that team A chooses the level and one so that team B does.
Both teams can choose the same level!

-Rounds will be to 5 or 10 (10 if there are disagreements between teams)
(Note! Both rounds to same limit!)

[Vegito]

If team A chooses a level, can team B choose the color they want to play as?
Cup admins are really useful yes indeed. Schedule your matches as much as possible in the weekends. I'm quite sure anyone can play then. Schedule the matches as early as possible so people KNOW they'll have to play.
What if the 2 rounds are tied? Its will just be a tie then?
Who will be cup admins at all? Will finding hosts be the problem of the team, or will you set a host/cup admin yourself which has to host the match?
Sorry, I just thought I'd have to ask some questions ;)

[R3ptile]

those are called "match admins" at all, i'm the supervisior and emp is the cup admin

http://www.jazz2online.com/jj2wc

and i think your questions are pointless, just wait untill the website is up with rules, information and stuff

[Sasik]

It would be good idea to wait for the teams from Slovenia and Romania, as they are likely to sign up too. More teams, more fun ;P

[[GpW]Urbs]

ya plz. i found members, they just havent replied yet. I actually found 3. Thx rep:)

Anyway plz w8 a lil ok? ill do my best to get em to reply as soon as possible.

[Raven aka StL]

The tourney's not gonna be hurried because of a couple of anxious fools that lack patience.
Also, the time I told earlier is too early and it will be postponed by at least two weeks.
Therefore, sure... You'll have a couple of weeks to get those people together.
But I doubt Romania will have a team.

@ Veg:
-A tie is a tie, yes.
-I'm getting hosts, much like I did ask you to be one.
-That red/blue rule is acceptable, but it hardly matters at all. A level where it really does matter obviously sucks and no such levels are in the mappool.

[Sasik]

-Rounds will be to 5 or 10 (10 if there are disagreements between teams)
(Note! Both rounds to same limit!)
Time limit for each round (15/20 min?) would be much better. Games are more exciting then and more fair too. It decreases the possibility that one team will lose because of for example 3 3hk's. The results are also more authoritative.

[Raven aka StL]

I shall concider that.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Zipper said yes, and he said that ripper will most likely play as well. If not he promised he'd just get a schoolmate to play:)

Although if u dont mind wallace i'd like to sign us up tommorow when i get the final confirmation.

[R3ptile]

just use the exact rules and structure of jj2wc 2, there simply can't be better than that =/

[Raven aka StL]

@ Urbs: Ok, you'll have plenty of time.
@ Rep: There's always room for improvement.
Alas, I'd like to know the exact rules of wc2 (NOT read from a site)

[[GpW]Urbs]

well i kinda liked the fact people could choose levels in jj2wc1. But the problem was people always used the same levels(maybe a limit of chosing a levle max 2 times per tournament or something).
But what do i care, slovenia isn't here to win(or thats what we'd like you to think:)).

[Raven aka StL]

Heh, just sign up and fetch me a link to a similar kind of slovenian flag as on the first page...
That rule may also be altered, that is... If someone comes up with a better one. :p

[[GpW]Urbs]

uhm ask quickz for the link to the small slovenian flags m8... he found it for his competition.
ohh and expect me to signup the team in the evening, because i've arranged for zipper to be online then.
and thx again for your patience m8, hope u get UK as well.

EDIT: quickz also found the cute lil israeli flags, which you're missing as well.

[Sasik]

But I doubt Romania will have a team.

As I know, Sucer has a good contact with these Romanians, so he could talk with them ;P

[[GpW]Urbs]

Uhm Team Slovenia is officially in the tournament.
The team consists of 3 members: zipper, ripper and me.
We ain't the biggest of countries and we sure as hell dont have a lot of players, but we got 3 quarters of them in the field, and few other countries can say that for themselves.
Now you just find our flag boy, and we'll be ready to fight for king and country.

[Grytolle]

sjeees m8:)

[[GpW]Urbs]

ohh sorry gry, I meant for the emperor. and let the march begin etc.
veni, vidi, vici

[Sasik]

Omg Imperial March Again (-) !!!

[Grytolle]

yeh it has begun (Y)

[[GpW]Urbs]

he forced me. i'd never do anything like that}>

[ZippeR]

I'd just like to add slovenia backup: Rusher (Lordpetan) and The Pathfinder ...

[[GpW]Urbs]

yeehaw, we aint even the smallest team anymore:)

[R3ptile]

@ Rep: There's always room for improvement.
well maybe the method of choosing levels, other than that nope not really
and the rules are located here, http://www.jazz2online.com/jj2wc/rules.php

[Jerrythabest]

(NOT read from a site)
:P lol rep :lol:

[R3ptile]

does it really matter where he reads it from? it's very clear and not too long

[Jerrythabest]

I dont think it matters, but Emp does for some reason

[Raven aka StL]

I don't anymore... I sometimes have such issues... too much haxing at once inside my head can cause disturbances in my mental opinion on things. But don't let that be a nuisance. Be ever judicious.

[Grytolle]

Indeed! Be marked by the exercise of good judgment or common sense in practical matters; "judicious use of one's money"; "a wise decision", always, everyone!

[Raven aka StL]

How to verbally throw up. :)

[R3ptile]

this tourney seems to go nowhere and is no longer affiliated with JJ2WC. don't take it personally, you should've shown more seriousness and put more effort and stuff.

[Raven aka StL]

Do what you will...

Thinking that the tourney'd not be going anywhere is nothing but crap...
I'm simply giving some people time to make a team as I'm quite sure UK'll have a team momentarily.
If you have a lust to be a wuss about it, then feel free.

[R3ptile]

it should've started ages ago, i don't really have time and motivation to take care of this as well as other stuff anymore.

[Grytolle]

Noone asked you take care of it, you don't have JJ2WC as a registered tradmark, and you gave away the supervisorship - so basically the only thing your post served to, was make it less likely the tournament takes place. Way to go...(PA). (:

[[GpW]Urbs]

ehh, ok maybe it took some time and it will take some more time for this thing to start, and that usually isnt a good sign.
But atm there is 1 more competition played, one competition ended with a small scandal and one competition just got fired up and ready, so you can't expect to have two competitions at the same time, now can you?
This one ought to start after quickz's tourney and definetly before the 3v3 thing. The 3v3 thing is easier to organise than this.

ATM though, everything is fine. Although a webpage would be nice. Something simple, maybe you could borrow the jj2wc2/1 one and just make a new logo or sumthin...

[R3ptile]

i didn't give away the supervisiorship, no one can use the name of JJ2WC without permission from me and i was asked to take care of lots of stuff. ok gry? stop talking crap.. it's just that emp and i agreed that i'd help him out only if the tourney would end before march and it won't.

[Sasik]

If only I had more time, I could organize this tourney. ;P Just im my opinion Wallace should put more effort on organizing this, there are plenty new players from different countries, so it is not a problem to tell them about the tournament and get them to sign up. That's how I got Italy for this. I have recently also met many new players from Germany, so I think they also could play in this, but I'm not the supervisor (or someone like this) who should do it ... However I can help you in some way if you need help.

[Grytolle]

Why would that be a task for the supervisor specifically? And rep, you still haven't registered that name :P

[R3ptile]

oh shut up

[Sasik]

Why would that be a task for the supervisor specifically?
Well, coz it's his duty to get more teams ;P However I can talk with players from Romania and/or Germany and ask them to sign up too. :H

[Sasik]

Ok, so Romania is in. I'm signing up them. They will confirm this later I think.
So, http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif Team Romania:
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Diddy
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Jonidon
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Virus
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Ionut
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Bogdan

[Jerrythabest]

Good job :) I'm sure this'll be interesting =)


I agree with Gry, Urbs and Sasik.

Pageclaim in the name of... ah well, the next team that signs up.

[Raven aka StL]

@ Rep: U never said that this being affiliated with JJ2WC relied on this ending before March...
though, that matters not anymore...

@ Sasik: Thanks for that, if they really will show up.
I'd also be glad to have u as an official host for some matches that u don't play.
Would u be willing to accept that?

Also, some few people have been saying things like 'this won't work if emp is the only organizer' and stuffs.
Well... to those people I'd like to say that even if this is the first major tournament that I'm organizing (more or less) myself. It still doesn't mean that it's bound to fail or suck.
And it working well doesn't rely only on me but on all players, so 'be ever judicious'.

[[GpW]Urbs]

uhm ya, sasik is right, a team germany exists(or rather, has a potential to exist)... but i think the number of teams isnt the main issue, the best thing emperor can do, is to get this thing organised(i mean rules, maybe a page or at least a new topic when the whole thing starts), wallace should talk with team leaders after he gets these things done, so that we can get the dates together, and i really think you could use some more people involved.

I know that with jj2wc1 rep always needed to be there to make sure we played for 20 minutes per round, and if ur using the same system some help would prolly be nice. Now dont get me wrong wallace im not saying ur doing a bad job, in fact u've done good enough up till now, all im saying is, you cant wait too long with this thing because its hard to keep such a mass of people interested for long periods of time. BUT that will all change if people will see progress, trust me. And when the 1st match will be played, you're almost a winner already, because thats when the fun starts and except for all the hard work you'll need to put in the whole tournament, things should go relatively easy.

[Deathionut]

Hello from Romania.The ideea to organize this tournament is cool.The Virus,Jonidon,Bogdan,Diddy and me regard other teams on the competition.

[Deathionut]

Ok, so Romania is in. I'm signing up them. They will confirm this later I think.
So, http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif Team Romania:
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Diddy
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Jonidon
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Virus
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Ionut
http://images.clanbase.com/ro.gif ROM~Bogdan
:D Romania is here

[Sasik]

@ Sasik: Thanks for that, if they really will show up.
I'd also be glad to have u as an official host for some matches that u don't play.
Would u be willing to accept that?

Fine. Make me a cup-admin or however you will call me, so I can help you with this.

[Deathionut]

When the turnaments begin???D:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Pictures

[Deathionut]

?????????????????????:(
How i dont know...

[Raven aka StL]

Stop the flooding immediately!

And Sasik, u are hereby that "whatever to call it" aka a tournament official.

Derby: Content removal. Avoid using filtered words excessively.

[Raven aka StL]

Oh and the tournament will start next friday!

The first pairings will be announced along with the closing of signups on tuesday or earlier.

Which means that people from the UK should make haste signing in a team!
That is, if you want to participate and make use of yourselves.

[Deathionut]

Put the Virus and Diddy on backup because Jonidon,Bogdan and me are more good that they.And what means backup???

[[GpW]Urbs]

that means, that if you need help the "backup" guys can play instead of the 1st team.
So if one of the not so good players is better on some level than you, he plays on that level, not you. Or if you dont have time, he plays instead of you etc.

[Raven aka StL]

Exactly...

I'm having work done on the site with a few co-officials.
Let's see what'll come out of it.:p

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

The German Team (ordered by Sasik!):

Hatebreed[MF]
SimonGF
FabianGF
Yumoma
SfazistGF

:O

[Raven aka StL]

:) More competition :)

Fetch me a flag of Germany (like the ones in the first post) in the meantime and I'll see how I'd make an odd number of teams work...

As for UK... SIGN UP!!!

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

>>>> http://www.craccoclan.com/flags/de.gif <<<<

;P

[cooba]

Team <b>Upper Silesia</b> signs up!!!

http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~Cooba
http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~P4ul
http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~Sticker
(Backup)http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~MedivO
(Backup)http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~Dark Angel
(Backup)http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~TP2001

[Sasik]

Team <b>Upper Silesia</b> signs up!!!<!----I can only wonder how many of you will take this seriously.>

http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~Cooba
http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~P4ul
http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~Sticker
(Backup)http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~MedivO
(Backup)http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~Dark Angel
(Backup)http://xs112.xs.to/xs112/07060/silesia.gif USL~TP2001

ROTFL. AFAIK Silesia is still a part of Poland, without any autonomy even. You can't call it a country :O I strongly disagree to separte Poland and Silesia :confused: That's idiotism or ... rebellion ;P
However, funny joke, though ;D

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

Sisilia I have never heard. Its in Poland? hmm so its not a own nation. I think 1 Poland Team and not 2

[Raven aka StL]

Oh, I said earlier that the first pairings will be announced on tuesday...
Well, the tourney is starting on friday, so obviously it was a mistake...
The mappool and the closing of signups = tuesday,
The start of the tourney, along with the announcement of the first pairs will be on friday.

[Sasik]

Add Mateusz, Slayer and Dejman as polish backup.

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

OMG Slayer and Dejman =l

[Raven aka StL]

We have ourselves one last dramatic entry (though it's not 100 % confirmed, but yet not denied either...)

That is Team UK.

[PurpleJazz]

http://xlm.ncmv.net./images/uk.gif Purplejazz
http://xlm.ncmv.net./images/uk.gif Ragnarok
http://xlm.ncmv.net./images/uk.gif GreenPlant

[Raven aka StL]

The signups have now been closed... and we have 12 teams...
Too bad that the US couldn't join... :/

Oh well, the tourney'll start on friday (that's when the first pairs will be announced too, of course,) while the announcement of the final mappool has been delayed till tomorrow (Wed 14. February).
I will announce it in the evening (about 19.00-20.00 gmt seems likely).

Thank you all for joining.

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

Is German Team added???? I must tell my ppl

[Vegito]

Yes, Hate.
Look at the first post made in this topic :)

[Raven aka StL]

']Is German Team added???? I must tell my ppl
If it wasn't, you'd be late = of course it was added :p

[Sasik]

Just one thing, calling this tourney 'Nations Cup' instead of 'National Tourney' would be better, imho.

[R3ptile]

I concur.

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

allright! se ya on friday ;)

[Raven aka StL]

Just one thing, calling this tourney 'Nations Cup' instead of 'National Tourney' would be better, imho.
I'm afraid it has already been changed... officially.

[Raven aka StL]

Here's the mappool:

-Atom Heart 234.5
-BloodBunny's Lair
-Diamondus Warzone
-Happy Semiconductor
-Jungle's Edge
-Marshland of Evil
-Medieval Skyscrapers
-Security Breach v 2.0


...Up to 5 additional levels will be added if they're found recommendable.
But the ones in this one are surefire.


Now, if you feel like the mappool includes something that doesn't belong there, or is lacking something, then feel free to say it.

[Sasik]

-Bad Bunny's Lair

OMG, NEW LEVEL?????????

<s>sorry, I couldn't resist</s>


-Russian Satellite

Ekhm... It doesn't mean that if you are organizing a tournament you should also add your levels to the mappool, though.

[Raven aka StL]

Of course not, it's just that I felt like putting that in there with just about no reason, even if no-one's to choose it... You got a problem with that? :P
And it ain't a bad level, even if I say it myself.
Some even like it.
It would be but prudent to not whine about it at all. :)

[PurpleJazz]

-Happy Semiconductor - Good choice. This should always be used in every tourney.

-Bad Bunny's Lair - Don't you mean BloodBunny's Lair? Or this a new level?

-Jungle's Edge - Yep, very fast paced and nice base placement.

-Medieval Skyscrapers - Yeah, its a great level.

-Diamondus Warzone - Nah, I've personally never liked this level. There's too many random platforms. And I find it boring, there isn't really any special about it.

-Security Breach v 2.0 - Yeah, keep this in.

-Atom Heart 234.5 - This level is a bit slow placed and a bit cramped. But it's still fun too play in, so I guess that's the most important thing.

-Quasar Quandary - No mappool would be complete without this.

-Space Island Level With Islands - Interesting choice, I haven't seen this used in a mappool before.

-All Your Base - Another awesome level.

-Russian Satellite - I don't really like this level much. This one is probably only in because it's your own ;p

-Atmospherical - Darksonic's latest release is a good choice for this tourney.

-Charnel Keep - Yay my favourite level!!! :D

-Radiation - This level from New Ages is a good level, but it's not so good with team games since it's quite small.

-Zaitox Station 67 - What kind of mappool would not have this classic?

[Sasik]

Of course not, it's just that I felt like putting that in there with just about no reason, even if no-one's to choose it... You got a problem with that? :P

Well, then why put a level if noone choose it? :) There are many better levels for 3vs3, that's all what I wanted to say about this. :H
Anyway, my 2 proposals are:
- Helldome
- Sacrifice

I won't suggest more only because I think that the mappool shouldn't be too big.


-Radiation - This level from New Ages is a good level, but it's not so good with team games since it's quite small.

That's right. Radiation is rather for 2vs2, but... whatever. :P

[cooba]

The map pools in all those tourneys couldn't get any more cliched, could they?

[Grytolle]

Well, it's a tournament for players, not levelmakers

[Raven aka StL]

avfajdvasd... "Blood Bunny's Lair"*!!
...lol. -_-

@PJ: You've got a weird opinion about DW, it's one of them legends that no tourney should leave out.

@Sasik: I was actually concidering both of those levels. Yes, sure, will add both. :P

@Sasik & PJ: I put Russian Satellite in for the heck of it, it hardly matters.
And yes, there are many better levels, but this one is good too, even if I say it myself.

@ Coob: Of course not. Except since it's the first (sorry, *cough* the second *cough*) mappool I ever put together...
I didn't want to ruin it, but I still had to put some of that glorious own twist in it. That of which means that I put my best (AND A GOOD) ctf level in it. :p
...Just for laughs.

[R3ptile]

man this is the most awful mappool i've ever seen. first of all, why can't you just choose the best, most well-known 7 levels that everyone always sticks to? this would only make matches a lot more challenging and entertaining and avoid the outcome of strange results. using an excuse like "i want to try out new levels!!!" wouldn't make sense in such a serious tourney which is also the first of a kind.

- BloodBunny's Lair
- Diamondus Warzone
- Happy Semiconductor CTF
- Jungle's Edge
- Marshland of Evil
- Medieval Skyscrapers
- Security Breach v2

i'll tell you that due to past experience, levels like Sacrifice(!!!!!!), Helldome and Zaitox just don't work when it comes to serious competitive tourneys. levels like Atmospherical, Charnel Keep and Russian Sattelite are simply not in the same tyer of those i've listed above. AYB, QQ and Atom Heart might be nice but obviously not for 6 players.

and Purplejazz7's opinion about DW isn't weird at all, in fact many people think the same, but on the contrary it's a pure classic and therefore must be kept in the mappool.

on a side note, you should just use the structure, method and rules of JJ2WC II (which is also the structure of most video game tourneys in the world) and you'd finally avoid repeating those beginner mistakes.

[Quickz]

I think I have to agree with R3p.

Anyway, if you wanna stick to this mappool, please add Personal Park and Chlorophyll World to it. I doubt Sacrifice is a good choise, since I predict some spawning problems with the copters. AYB might be too small for a decent 3vs3, as R3p said before.

[Vegito]

Well, yes.
For the sake of a good tournament, get lost with crap levels -_-

[Grytolle]

What r3p said, plz.

[Sasik]

on a side note, you should just use the structure, method and rules of JJ2WC II (which is also the structure of most video game tourneys in the world) and you'd finally avoid repeating those beginner mistakes.
Yes. I agree. It looks like that's what we all would love to see. The problem is that Emp didn't participate in JJ2WC so he might not know well how it works ;;

However, I have different opinion than R3p about Zaitox and Helldome (Sacrifice also isn't that bad, I have good memories with it from JJ2WC II, though), I agree mostly with that what he said ;P

The mappol should be smaller. 10 levels is really enough. You should kick out levels like Radiation, AYB, and ur own, because they are just TOO SMALL AND NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR 3vs3 in such big tournament. Maybe sth else too.

[R3ptile]

don't know about Sacrifice, i personally wouldn't want my nation to be knocked out just because someone pressed the shoot button more after he spawned.

and please, no more than 7 levels. keep in mind we've been playing only 4 levels (Semi, BBLAIR and sometimes also DW and JE) over the past months.

[[GpW]Urbs]

team slovenia is playing this for fun, and thus fully agrees with the levels, even though we haven't had the pleasure to play in some of them.

I just think people shouldnt make too big a deal when it comes to these levels, sure, rep would pick some other levels, some1 else would pick some other levels, but heck after all its up to wallace.

Have some faith, and we can all have a fun tournament, no matter the levels.
I'm sure all the teams will give it their best shot to try and win, the whole thing should be interesting and lets not worry too much over the map pool. Hell arguing over the map pool is a bottomless pit...time consuming and not much else.
If you're like team slovenia, who isnt aiming for the top, you don't care, if you're like team israel which has a fair chance of winning, I suggest you stop waisting your breath here and start training on levels where you're not good enough.

[snzspeed]

i never got whats the problem with mappools with lots of levels

[R3ptile]

well i just talked to snooze and others in #craccoclan and we agreed that using the mappool i suggested (or at least something very similiar) would be the best choice for you Emp.

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

Oh R3p you often hear and stay shine in the popular agreement of us : I agree, too XD.

So the map pool is in my opinion fine: regularly duel maps in the big part are the right way to receive all the skills of the teams. (In each other they could maybe get lost and in comes in trouble)
Fine..

[DarkSonic]

It's boring to play the same levels all the time. And that there are lots of levels doesn't mean you have to play all of them. And that we want to try new levels is a pretty good excuse in my opinion. I just don't know what makes those levels that are played so often so special. Anyway, good luck with the tourney.

[Raven aka StL]

*sigh*

... You know you could have said that a slight bit more... let's say...
gentlemanly...

Well, w/e...

-> Mappool edited, due to majority of people using democracy as a weapon <-

[R3ptile]

much better now.

but still, Atom Heart is not too great when it comes to 3v3's, even the author himself has claimed so. we honestly don't get why you insist to keep Charnel Keep in the mappool, it doubtlessly sucks. you can consider replacing those levels by Technodus Cargo Station and Marshland of Evil, for instance.

[Grytolle]

<democracy3

[Raven aka StL]

Ah, marsh. Good idea.

I don't get that Cargo Station part though...
And Charnel Keep is an ok level.
Atom Heart owned in a 4v4 about 2 months ago ;p

[cooba]

Charnel Keep is certainly not ok for a serious team game.

sry br ;(

[R3ptile]

just "ok" levels are not what you should be looking for.

[Grytolle]

That 4v4 in Atom Heart wasn't good at all, and neither is Charnel Keep (which I've always insisted on^^)

[Raven aka StL]

Ugh...
You clearly lack the eye for true art by means of JJ2 levels... :p
Charnel Keep is a clear top 30 ctf level... Ever...
Although, it is yet highly possible to find contaminated opinions, w/e.
CK ain't in the Mappool anymore so forget about it thanks...

NEWS!

The first pairs will be announced around 20.00 gmt this evening, stay tuned.

The teams themselves should try and organize the matches... or they should talk to me about it and I'll see what I can do.
If some matches haven't been played by sunday 6.00 am gmt... Then the team leaders (and other members) will be contacted about it and will be negotiated with about a suitable time to play. (I won't be telling any pairs before tonight, regards). =p

[cooba]

Charnel Keep is a clear top 30 ctf level... Ever...Sure it is, but <b>not for team play</b> which is everyone's point :|

[Sasik]

The teams themselves should try and organize the matches... or they should talk to me about it and I'll see what I can do.
If some matches haven't been played by sunday 6.00 am gmt... Then the team leaders (and other members) will be contacted about it and will be negotiated with about a suitable time to play. (I won't be telling any pairs before tonight, regards). =p
OMG. You still didn't get it that if YOU don't set the DATE AND TIME of EACH GAME, THE TOURNAMENT WILL CERTAINLY FAIL? IMPRESSIVE. :O
All what I want is to see this tournament working EXACTLY AS JJ2WC. If you let the teams to organize their games, this will end like Sucer's Tourney.
JUST MAKE A SHEDULE FOR ALL GAMES and SET THE HOURS WHEN GAMES HAVE TO BE PLAYED (AT THE WEEKEND of course).

+A rule that one team can postpone their games only 2 times would be great, though.

[[GpW]Urbs]

hmm rep, didnt we organise date and time by ourselves during the jj2wc? I'm not sure, but i think we did, and the whole tourney didn't fail.

But i hope u do realise wallace ur gonna have to be online like A LOT to get teams in contact with one another etc... I know that for example I don't have any1 from team germany on my msn...

[R3ptile]

divide the teams to 2 groups with 6 teams in each. make them as much balanced as possible.

every week, each team should face another from its own group. announce the date, time and level for every match in the beginning of the week, giving all teams 5-6 days to prepare themselves (not only practice, but also make sure all players can make it). matches should usually take place in saturdays.

every match should be parted to 2 rounds, each round limited to 20 points or 20 minutes. in the second round, the team that's played as blue would swap to red, and vice versa. in case the score is still tied after both rounds, add 5 minutes.

after 5 weeks, when all teams have supposedly completed their matches, start the knock-out stage (single elimination). the 2 highest ranked teams from each group should qualify.

that's all. quite simple ain't it? but it's much more entertaining and thrilling than your method and also doesn't take too long so teams like israel wouldn't have to forfeit :-)

[R3ptile]

Urbs']hmm rep, didnt we organise date and time by ourselves during the jj2wc?
nope, i did, unless a team would've reported they couldn't make it.

[[GpW]Urbs]

ahh, ok... i remember:)

But u did help arrange stuff and all..

[Bogdan GF]

at what hour the tournament will start i know friday but what hour ???

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

20:00 did Wallace said.
Wallace I have to organize a duel to another group? but how much versus how much??? all vs all or one by one?

[[GpW]Urbs]

hmm 20:24 and still nothing:)

[[GpW]Urbs]

w8, if its gmt, doesnt he still have time?

[Raven aka StL]

There has been now... a slight change...
Every team faces every team once, not twice, which would take too long.
The first round pairs are as follows:

Australia - United Kingdom (Sat 17th, 14.00 GMT)
Belgium - Sweden (Sat 17th, 15.00 GMT)
Finland - Slovenia (Sat 17th, 16.00 GMT)
Germany - Romania (Sat 17th, 17.00 GMT)
Israel - Poland (Sat 17th, 18.00 GMT)
Italy - Netherlands (Sat 17th, 19.00 GMT)

-The host must log the match, that goes for all matches.
(Carrotade is recommended)
-If the above times don't work, u may postpone your matches, but really try you best to play them before sunday evening, will ya?
-Anyone both teams can agree on may host the matches.
Official hosts include me, Sasik and Vegito (Though he doesn't seem too motivated.)
-Each match is best out of 3 rounds (which are to 5 points, each!). Teams can agree on which team chooses their level in the first round and which in the second.
If there are disagreements, the alphabetically first team chooses first.
The third round may be played in any mappool level both teams can agree on.
Again, if there's no agreement, it will be played in a standard level, such as Semi, BBlair or JE.
-Whichever team is blue in the first round will be red in the second. The third round team colors may be agreed on. If agreement isn't made, the team that has the worse score difference till then may choose their team color.

[cooba]

(I'd start a new thread instead)

[[GpW]Urbs]

me too, and dang, FINLAND FOR THE FIRST GAME... gl us

[Sasik]

Well, but are we divided in any groups, or all teams are in one division?... What the hell is the structure of this Torunament?
Also, the number of 'official hosts' is too small imo. Trying to find a good host just before a match isn't easy, though ;l
I have a bad feeling about this tourney, but let's hope this won't end as pure crap. That's all what we can do. ;l

Btw. I see that there is no website, right? You could make even some simply one, like this what QZ's made for his tourney. But maybe this isn't the most important thing, however it could help a lot.
Eh.

[Raven aka StL]

It was carefully explained earlier that all teams are a whole, no groups.
The number of official hosts is small, yes, but it can't be helped, I've asked plenty of people. Of course, I will carry on doing that.
And actually there is a site which will be informed about soon enough.
That is, when it's totally finished up to the point.

And it would be nice if you'd not only look for ways to put down this tournament, say something positive too will ya?! ;/

[Sasik]

It was carefully explained earlier that all teams are a whole, no groups.

So, this is league? That's not good idea, imo. You had better listen R3p once again ;P
I also think that you should have set the pairs (or tell about them) much earlier ;/

And it would be nice if you'd not only look for ways to put down this tournament, say something positive too will ya?! ;/
Uhm...
I expect that this will be funny and exciting tournament :H

[HàTéBrèéD[MF]]

maybe all members from German group are not online at 17:00 o'clock. Sasik and Vegito host the matches?

[Raven aka StL]

If the times aren't fine, postspone your matches / talk to the other team about a good time, in the meanwhile tell me and I'll think of a new time for u.

Also, league is a perfectly good idea, Sasik.
And the pairs, that's what u may be correct about, alas, I did it how I did.

Post match results here: http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=16514
and have whoever hosted them send me any logs they took...

[Anubis]

Why didn't USA make a team? Blur+Dizzy+FS=pwnage! Or Canada? Birdie, Blacky and Stickgo <3

[Hitch]

+Hitch..

[R3ptile]

Why didn't USA make a team? Blur+Dizzy+FS=pwnage!
because we're in 2007

[NovaStar]

...I've just found our team a back-up. I know, a bit slow ;-;, but I was wondering whether it'd still be okay to add him to the team.

[Grytolle]

It is okay. Also, we need to play soon, s bug me whenever you can

[Sucer]

Oh too bad. Emp threatened me with a ban from this tourney if I wouldn't behave and accept his decision that I will be made a backup and he will be in the FIN team with Snooze and SJ.

I guess I have no choice but to leave this tourney:( I'm sorry for myself I would have really liked to play. This seems like a once in a life time opportunity and I guess Emp noticed it himself and is now going into drastic measures to get himself in the FIN team.

[Grytolle]

rofl, wallace stop pretending to be so dumb

[Jerrythabest]

LOL I think I'll just put a country cup in the DOAC if there are enaugh people for it :lol: then at least this whole thing had *some* use

[R3ptile]

i think we're having enough of inexperienced, not-very-clever supervisiors, Jerry. but thank you anyways <3

[Raven aka StL]

Sucer misunderstood what "backup" means and shouldn't have posted in the first place.
If you're all going to believe everything he says straight out, then good luck with your life.

Furthermore, I don't need any measures to play (this one single game).
Sucer hasn't been threatened with anything, I just said that he should learn to behave and take other people into consideration in such cases.

[Sucer]

Sucer misunderstood what "backup" means and shouldn't have posted in the first place.
If you're all going to believe everything he says straight out, then good luck with your life.

I don't like the idea that you come telling me: "Sucer you are the backup now."
You shouldn't have the authoroties to control the FIN team like that. Anyways if there is a rule that after 4 days of absence I become a backup, why didn't you make CL a regular member of the team? He is much more skilled than you.

[R3ptile]

Sucer misunderstood what "backup" means.
in fact according to a conversation i've had with you, i think you're the one who does

[Raven aka StL]

I have the authorities to change team informations as the supervisor.
There's absolutely no difference at all between being a backup or being a player of the team. Either can play any round / game, whatever.
You were made a backup because you were absent, it doesn't change anything for you.

If there's no other means of making you understand that, then I'll just remove the term "backup" from the team rosters. Normal players and backups have all the same rights.

@ Rep: You mistook "backup" for "substitute" in that conversation.

@ Sucer: Hitch > CL, if I've got to use the childish "better" term.

[Sucer]

I have the authorities to change team informations as the supervisor.


You should not abuse your supervisor rights. Using the power of the supervisor to fulfill your selfish desires is very noobish.

CL is very skilled and there's no denying that. Anyway he has the same rights as you have, as you just mentioned that the backups and normal players have the same rights. If you get the chance to play againts Slovenia, why doesn't Hipper and CL get their chance?

[Jerrythabest]

i think we're having enough of inexperienced, not-very-clever supervisiors, Jerry. but thank you anyways <3

*cough* wc4 duels *cough*



just get rid of the term backup and call every team member just 'Team member'... since if I understand right the backups can play whenever they want

[Raven aka StL]

Oh, exactly Jerry.

I hope no one will be stupid enough to misunderstand THAT.

[Grytolle]

If there's no other means of making you understand that, then I'll just remove the term "backup" from the team rosters. Normal players and backups have all the same rights.
The only reason you ever placed it there was to make things sound more important:roll:

[Raven aka StL]

No, it should have simplified things, but since then there are some people who misunderstood the term entirely. Those people (who include sucer) are now causing a completely meaningless ruckus.

[Grytolle]

You were the one to misunderstand the term to begin with.

[Sucer]

You were the one to misunderstand the term to begin with.

I agree with Grytolle as the term backup normally means someone who plays in case others are not able to. If you think differently from some terms, then you have to define them Emperor! Always define the words you use if you feel that there will be a misunderstanding.

If I call Maverick a noob, then I normally am wrong. But when I say "Maverick is a noob" my word "noob" means a guy who owns me and that's why I don't like him.

[Grytolle]

Yes! Always define words if you wanna use them for something they don't mean, Emperor.

[Raven aka StL]

What you explained is not what a "backup" is.
It seems you mixed up "backup" and "substitute".

And you can say what you think till judgment day, but I used the term "backup" where it should be used, much unlike you.

Now stay on topic, or off this thread.

[Stijn]

What you explained is not what a "backup" is.
It seems you mixed up "backup" and "substitute".

And you can say what you think till judgment day, but I used the term "backup" where it should be used, much unlike you.
back·up /ˈbækˌʌp/ [[bak-uhp]
–noun
4. a person, plan, device, etc., kept in reserve to serve as a substitute, if needed.

There are other meanings, but this is the meaning most common when used in competitive sports and online play.