National Tourney... ?

[Raven aka StL]

Ok, Stijn wins, whatever.
I don't use the term anymore in this tournament, so it doesn't really matter anymore now does it?! :p

[Jerrythabest]

:roll: One single word, over twenty posts :lol:

I wonder, is this tourney started, or else when does it start? if it started, has something been played yet?

[Grytolle]

Ok, Stijn wins, whatever.Sucer and I won too! NOTA BENE

Edit: (-)(-)(-), Jerry

[Raven aka StL]

:roll: One single word, over twenty posts :lol:

I wonder, is this tourney started, or else when does it start? if it started, has something been played yet?

"The fact that you're serious is what makes you scary." :o

[Anakin[CC]]

17:00 GMT is kinda a sux time for both Nl and Germany i think we all have to eat arround that time and our parents are not gonna postpone/delay or eat earlier so that we can play our online world cup game on jj2.

I dont know who i should contact indivually from both NL and GER to tell/ask this but i suggest to play at 19:00 GMT instead, that would be 20:00 our time. (GMT +1 )

NL team contact me on msn to decide together what level we are going to play.

[Vegito]

Agreed with Ani.
Lets see if we can arrange something with Germany. =P

[Raven aka StL]

This goes to show that you indeed learn something new every day...
Of course you may postpone matches, whatever the reason.
Just so that you will have them played sooner or later.

[Chiyu]

19 GMT would be fine for me. What do the Germans say?

[Vegito]

IF you are able to think about the times you set, you won't face this problem again.

[Raven aka StL]

As I said, there was no way I could have known that you dutch and german folk would be facing such a problem. I do know now, so calm down and go with the flow.

[Superjazz]

I actually know one way to possibly revive this tournament and get it progressing ahead. If anyone else is interested.

[Raven aka StL]

Vivando is the co-supervisor then. We'll split authority and I'll respect each of his decisions.
Addendum: I'm not the 'noob' I was when I originally attempted to organize this, so feel free to not flame me this time, people.

That is, if it's going to happen.

[Jerrythabest]

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[Superjazz]

To make sure there is activity as much as possible, there should be just few but large teams. The idea is that the tournament would be played in pairs of nations instead of single nations. The game mode would be 3 on3 CTF, and back-ups should be necessary. Each country should have at least 4 active players for the warteam. Certain neighbour countries would have to be counted as one:

Belgium-The Netherlands (Team Benelux)
Canada-USA (Team North America)
Finland-Sweden (Team Scandinavia)
Germany-Poland (Team Mid Europe - Better name suggestions for this one are welcome)

If there however are more nations that can prove of at least 2 active players, they can now fuse with another nation outside the list above, that has also got at least 2 active players. Locations(of COUNTRIES)don't matter anymore. They can now participate as a team in the tournament. These teams are free to name themselves how they like.

If a team is focused more on another nation's players, the warteam should still have at least 1 player from the other nation in their warteam, even if he/she was only a backup. Of course they wouldn't have to use that player in every game.

What would you say about this idea?

[Stijn]

Locations don't matter anymore.
Isn't the whole idea behind a "National tourney" that locations <em>do</em> matter?

[Superjazz]

Of course it is. With the 'locations' I meant the locations of countries, not players. So the rest of the countries that want to ally up don't have to be relatives in distances or something.

[Sasik]

That would be no longer "National Tourney" ;P I think that at least The Netherlands and Poland could play alone and Belgium could form a team with Germany (no idea how to call it ;D). Because then there would be at least one team more. Maybe Israel and UK could join too.

Hmm...but isn't it better to make another JJ2WC? There are rather more clans than nations which could form a team :) And the current idea of this tournament is close to 'clans formed by neighbouring countries'. Honestly saying I don't remember why JJ2WC3 has never been finished....maybe let's just skip to JJ2WC4?

[Superjazz]

I quite agree with your opinion. However, since this seems to be the first and probably the last national tourney, I still prefer giving this one another try.

[Grytolle]

I'd also prefer finishing jj2wc before starting a new one 8)

[Ragnarok!]

r isral?

[snzspeed]

Continent Tourney :D

[Ragnarok!]

Some countries have enough players to handle it fully alone.. Im sure UK has enough now... PJ, myself, Spaz18, GP, WR (if he still exists)

Poland DEFINATELY has enough...

NL DEFINATELY has enough... Im not sure though =p If a partnership should win, I think there should be a showdown between the partnership o.o

[Superjazz]

Well, perhaps we could just make it so that only the nations that are big enough in terms of activity will play in the tournament. That would still be only a few countries.

I suppose at least these countries could be up for it then:

Belgium
Finland
Poland
The Netherlands
United Kingdom

Countries that might to be able to participate if they'd manage to awaken inactive players:

Canada
Israel
Italy
Germany
USA

Countries that got only 1-2 potential players(or so do I expect it to be at least):

Australia
Bulgaria
Malta
Russia
Sweden

Mention if I forgot some country. So anyway, if partnership should be avoided in your opinion, then I guess these smallest countries are to be ignored. Only those nations who can prove they got at least four active players (1 for backup) are allowed to participate.

[Raven aka StL]

Well, perhaps we could just make it so that only the nations that are big enough in terms of activity will play in the tournament.

If this doesn't work, it won't be Nations' Cup anymore.
Maybe start a new thread/tournament and let this one sleep.

Or let's do a jj2wc3, or finish the old one, if someone has a (completely honest) idea about where that ended.

Anyway, good ideas SJ, but combining nations will ruin the concept.

[Quickz]

If this doesn't work, it won't be Nations' Cup anymore.
Maybe start a new thread/tournament and let this one sleep.

Or let's do a jj2wc3, or finish the old one, if someone has a (completely honest) idea about where that ended.

Anyway, good ideas SJ, but combining nations will ruin the concept.

Well, JDC will awake some inactive players, probably, It will be more clear then which countries can come up with some team.

About jj2wc, I'm not sure how I feel about it. Let the old one die and just start a new one? I'm not quite sure anyway how active the clanscene is atm..

[master sven]

I think it will be good to restart both tourneys. TM might be a somewhat stronger clan that the 'other' clans mostly are in the jj2wc. And about the national tourney, if the Netherlands needs any players, I am available. (Only not in July)

[Vegito]

I guess NL will be able to participate indeed. I'd just have to wake up MS, Quickz, Chiyu, Anakin and DarkSonic. Half of that problem is solved.

Anyways, I highly doubt Belgium can play. Yasco won't be able to play till at least July... Then theres Squirrel, Pyromanus and Leen? o.O
Its a country I got questions about ;p

[master sven]

Well, I can't play most of July either, so why dont we just sceduele it a few days after the JDC, so everyone is still active?
P.S: I'm awake :P

[Anubis]

If it's a 2on2 tourney I could get Hunter from iR to play for Bulgaria :) (and I could try to get Zeta from Macedonia, they're almost bulgarians)

[TeddyBear]

If it's a 2on2 tourney I could get Hunter from iR to play for Bulgaria :) (and I could try to get Zeta from Macedonia, they're almost bulgarians)

It is a nice idea, Anyway In Poland things are different. I'm afraid to much people will want play this, I think Sasik has his own team and He doesn't want put anyone else to this team, if I'm right - We Can Make 2 Teams from Poland or 3v3 Who's team is better.In my opinion both ideas are sux and I hope Sasik is up for choose a team with me. It was about new JJJ2WC, I know I wasn't on previous JJ2WC so if you guys will continue old one, I think this older team will play.

[Superjazz]

The thing is, that a team should be able to provide at least 1 backup player. 2 would be recommended. But since Poland seems to have much active players, the possibility of 2 teams from that same country could be considered.

[Jerrythabest]

It is a nice idea, Anyway In Poland things are different. I'm afraid to much people will want play this, I think Sasik has his own team and He doesn't want put anyone else to this team, if I'm right - We Can Make 2 Teams from Poland or 3v3 Who's team is better.In my opinion both ideas are sux and I hope Sasik is up for choose a team with me. It was about new JJJ2WC, I know I wasn't on previous JJ2WC so if you guys will continue old one, I think this older team will play.

This made me aware of a small possible problem in a NT: countries with lots of players will most likely end up with an (usually overused) elite team while the less skilled players do not get their chance to participate.

[R3ptile]

This made me aware of a small possible problem in a NT: countries with lots of players will most likely end up with an (usually overused) elite team while the less skilled players do not get their chance to participate.
are you a full-time idiot or is it just a hobby?

[Vegito]

I do believe a tournament is about declaring the best country/players. So no wonder only the skilled players play, otherwise tournaments would be useless. They wouldn't say anything anymore =\

[snzspeed]

are you a full-time idiot or is it just a hobby?

thumbs up

and btw i think that combining countries is stupid and then it wouldnt be an NT anymore :F

[Ragnarok!]

Ultimately, seeing as Poland has so many players, I really don't think its fair for them to have two teams. =|. I think the best way to really settle this is a clan tournament, and most of the current clans are big enough to enter two teams should you wish to do so, although that again isn't an idea I like. If the other Polish players really wanna play, there should be some form of rotation so whoever wants a go gets one. Morphing countries together is kinda eradicating the point of a National Tourney, but then again, many countries are almost the same... and also they'll be able to participate then. Also, should a joint-country-team win, there should be a 2v2/duel between some of them to determine whichever country wins, just so that there is an ultimate winner.

Conclusion - Don't like the idea of having two teams to one country.

[Nonomu198]

That's when the 15.38% proves RIGHT!

[Sasik]

Don't worry about Poland. Think rather about your own country or other ones how to get them to play this tourney :)

[snzspeed]

The thing is, that a team should be able to provide at least 1 backup player. 2 would be recommended. But since Poland seems to have much active players, the possibility of 2 teams from that same country could be considered.

if youre gonna let 2 teams from some nations to play this shouldnt be called national tourney :P

[Superjazz]

Very well, let's just call this a battle of Fin-NL-Pol-UK, and start it that way? :P

[cooba]

That would be a new tourney and not a "continuation of the nations-tourney".

[TeddyBear]

Don't worry about Poland. Think rather about your own country or other ones how to get them to play this tourney :)

As Sasik said, I have to agree with that, Anyway We talked already about this, And We're in one warteam for this tournament.

[DarkSonic]

I guess NL will be able to participate indeed. I'd just have to wake up MS, Quickz, Chiyu, Anakin and DarkSonic.



Who what where? Oh, I didn't realize this topic was still active. Well, I don't know how much I will play in this and in JDC.. I will miss at least one round and I'll only play events.

[Grytolle]

I won't be playing ^^

[Jerrythabest]

are you a full-time idiot or is it just a hobby?

In fact, I get pretty well paid for it, with funny replies like this one.

Anyway, my point is that I think it would not be fair if the less skilled players of a country can not participate just because they live in a country that has more players than other coutries. You could at least give them a secundary tournament.

[Raven aka StL]

Life ain't fair, Jerry. That's why development is a requirement for survival.
If you're not among the three "best" players from your country, then you need more training.
Just play a thousand 3v3s and come back, (<s>that's what I did</s>.)

[FireSworD]

Anyway, my point is that I think it would not be fair if the less skilled players of a country can not participate just because they live in a country that has more players than other coutries. You could at least give them a secundary tournament.

Alright, we'll even call them 'special' players, because they are special and should have special benefits. Because they are privaliged enough to have them. Let's just have it all working perfectly and fair, and say that a losing team/player lost because the other team/player had an unfair skill advantage. So let's have entire playing field even and every result will draw to infinity.

[Stijn]

Anyway, my point is that I think it would not be fair if the less skilled players of a country can not participate just because they live in a country that has more players than other coutries. You could at least give them a secundary tournament.

Oh please. Look at the EC 2008 that's currently going on. Is there a second Dutch team with players that weren't good enough to be in the first team, but hey, that's unfair, so let's enter a second team? No. If you are not good enough for the "first" team, too bad, train some more.

[Ragnarok!]

You make it sound like an online RPG, you train and get EXP and become a higher level than the others... It's not really like that, but then again it is a national tournament proving which nation is the most superior. I dunno what to say except I sympathize for those who dont get to play.

<s> I know this would be a hassle for many (and doesn't bother me ;DDD) but maybe every player from each nation that wants to should play at least once? You could use the 'special' players in the first rounds!!!</s>

Despite it not making sense to be a national tourney, because of putting various teams together; I still think we should do it with some: A tourney is better than no tourney.

[Raven aka StL]

A nations cup is completely organizable.
And those (clearly) outside the 'best 3 players from their country' just don't play. That's that. (Of course the fourth and fifth best can play a couple of matches, if they aren't a whole lot less 'skilled'.)

[Jerrythabest]

Oh please. Look at the EC 2008 that's currently going on. Is there a second Dutch team with players that weren't good enough to be in the first team, but hey, that's unfair, so let's enter a second team? No. If you are not good enough for the "first" team, too bad, train some more.

Is there money and sponsors in the National Tourney? If players got paid a zillion euros for bringing a flag home, I think the idea wouldn't have been come to mind. (this may also be the case where 'zillion' is actually something near a half or so).

Anyway, it was just an idea.