i've owned this game for many years, but i've only recently visited the website.
so.. how does lori play, and can i get her in the game without looking for the addons?

Hmm.

When you try to play with Lori, things get harder. Mainly because she's devoid of a high jump (although the Golden Jump does the trick). She's got a sidekick manouever like Spaz, although hers is far more controllable and thus better. Also switching of her colors is glitched.

And no, you cannot play with her without 1.24.

can you download this 1.24?

No.

Originally Posted by Hyugoman

can you download this 1.24?

Not legally. JJ2 version 1.24, otherwise known as "The Secret Files" or TSF is a standalone game, not just an add-on.

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

uhh...

i downloaded TSF

is that bad?
i don't know if it's a demo or not, or even if there is a demo.
if so, what's in the full version?

Ninie TSF only single player levels, JCS with improved tileset size and level size capabilities, and of course it wouldn't be 1.24s, and it would also contain the HCL "episode."

all right, what's HCL and 1.24s?

Originally Posted by MSB3000

all right, what's HCL and 1.24s?

HCL = "Home Cooked Levels", a list with the User Created levels which you downloaded.
1.24s = That's the Shareware Demo of the game. Look in the lower left corner of the main menu to see what version you have. If the number doesn't have an "s", it's the full version.

In a nutshell, The full TSF contains nine Single Player levels, 4 Capture The Flag levels, 3 Battle and Treasure Hunt levels, 4 Race levels (well, it should, but the first 3 are missing), three characters (Jazz, Spaz and Lori), and the best User Levels at the time.

Downloading any of the full JJ2 games is still illegal as they're not freeware and probably never will be.

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

Lori was created by the jj2 animatior, Dean Doodrill. He had ment it to be Eva's sister/cousin (So she could be spaz's girlfreind, as it was supposed to be the yellow rabbit spaz sees in the end of 1.23) , but the game publishers put her as jazz's sister.

TSF also was origionally going to be released worldwide, but I think it wound up only being released in and around Poland, making the game a bit rare.

Some interesting notes about 1.24 is it has larger tileset support (4096 tiles instead of 1.23's 1024), will play 1.23 levels and had it's own version of Holiday hare (Also called Christmas Chronicles; I'm not sure if it is any different other that having the extra charactor)

TSF can be found on some abandonware rings, but finding it is up to you

CC'99 also had a different menu theme and the menus themselves were a different style. And, unlike HH'98, it contained a JCS.

Originally Posted by Sonyk

CC'99 also had a different menu theme and the menus themselves were a different style. And, unlike HH'98, it contained a JCS.

It just has a different menu style and title screen, the music's the same. I'd say HH98 has the same one

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

1.24 contains episodes 1-4 from 1.23, Shareware 1.23 episode, plus the 1.24 appropriately dubbed: "The Secret Files"

The rerelease did not include episodes 1-4 of Jazz 2 I believe, I will need to cross check that.

I ordered TSF from england when it first came out. I think the game sucked myself, but mostly because you couldnt play on the other servers that had the normal version, so I ended up uninstalling it.

Hmm, well....my version that I downloaded had all those episodes...

TSF had several releases over time. In chronological order (I hope):
- original Project 2 release (black interior, includes JJ2)
- Polish Avalon release (... polish, duh!)
- Project 2 rerelease (cardboard frame interior, includes JJ2)
- German Hemming rerelease (cd-case)
- NCI Dotcom rerelease (cardboard box, includes JJ2)

From the top of my head those are all the official releases of TSF. You can find several up for sale from time to time on eBay, mostly the German Hemming release or the NCI Dotcom rerelease.

Originally Posted by Tubz

Hmm, well....my version that I downloaded had all those episodes...

That's because both the regular game and TSF are merged into one game in your case. Well, not exactly, the TSF just uses its own exe file (which has overwritten the regular JJ2 one), but it can detect any episode and levels made with any lower version.

In the first releases TSF and and the regular JJ2 came on two seperate disks, and each has its own exe file, which means they're two seperate games. Some of later rereleases (like the Polish one) had the entire package merged onto one disk.

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

The guy should have also made it so that TSF players can join 1.23 servers...

TSF was a rush job and is not very good. They couldn't even think of new moves! Like side shoot! (Lori takes out a second gun and shoots two ways at once.) By the way, did you know that if you got 100 gems, you supposidly go to the secret level of a stage? It doesn't work. And it says that in the manual, (for 1.23, I have it.)

1.23 was a rush job because of the amount of bugs in it.

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

TSF was a rush job and is not very good. They couldn't even think of new moves! Like side shoot! (Lori takes out a second gun and shoots two ways at once.) By the way, did you know that if you got 100 gems, you supposidly go to the secret level of a stage? It doesn't work. And it says that in the manual, (for 1.23, I have it.)

Jazz Jackrabbit 2 in general was a rush job, because a lot of features were planned but the budgeted time only let the developers do so much. That would explain a lot of the big bugs and glitches.

And about the gems... it would be more accurate to say they can give you bonus stages, done in 3D like the JJ1 ones. Also a feature that didn't make it into the game due to the shortage of time. Only one (entrance to a) secret level made it: Gargoyle's Lair.

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

It's rather unclear on what the gems were supposed to do, seeing as Rabbit In Training says that you get an extra life for 100.

By the way:

Originally Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit

Also a feature that didn't make it into the game due to the shortage of time.

Originally Posted by J2W

10.04am It's Official! There will be NO BONUS STAGE in Jazz 2!

Craig Lafferty, who works in Epic's PR/Marketing department posted this message:

I sort of got the impression from the past interviews that I had done, that the Jazz 2 team were reluctant to talk about the bonus stages. I guess this confirms why Well, with the bonus stage issue solved, this only leaves the Ultimate Weapon debate still undecided......

But, with being an official Jazz 2 beta tester, I can confirm that the multiplayer games rule!

Yeah right

That would be turning bad news into good news. So they just traded those bonus stages for Multiplayer *snaps fingers* like that? Unbelievable. I say they were just being lazy

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

I'm sure if they'd had enough time, we'd have gotten both 3D bonus stages and multiplayer. Looking at some old "planned features" lists on the J2C archives, it's obvious JJ2 was rushed to the extreme. I mean, we were originally supposed to get fifteen bosses.

Oh, anyone noticed that J2C is down again?

NO.

TSF CAN be downloaden legally!
I did so.
Hyugo if you want, I may be able send you TSF in MSN or AIM or something if sending it IS legal

Tp2001 uploaded his levels in a ZIP to J2O once, that ZIP contained a page with a link to dowload TSF.

I doubt the legalness of it. So see for yourself, Hyugoman.....

Originally Posted by Ninjajazz

NO.

TSF CAN be downloaden legally!
I did so.

I hate to burst your bubble, but if it's the full version you downloaded I'm afraid you've performed an illegal action. All full Jazz Jackrabbit games haven't been declared freeware yet, and never will be if we know Epic Games by heart, so it's still illegal to download any of the full games (downloading demos is still fine tho). Just because a game is old doesn't mean it's free, a company could still hold the right to sell it, look at what Nintendo and Sega are doing with their Mario and Sonic games. This applies to all games in general.

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

So, apart from 3D Bonus Stages, lotsa bosses, enemies, items and levels, what else didn't make it into the game?

• The ability to scorch enemies with Fire Shield upon touch.
• Various tilesets and different tileset palettes/tiles.
• 32 bit color.
• Ability to eat your enemies with your tongue while a frog.

And that's all I reckon at the moment... I don't feel like going back to J2W and carefully checking screenshots/newsposts/interviews/etc.

^ Adding a couple more:
•the ability to grab, hang on and climb up on ledges.
•to shoot as a bird

Also, has anyone got into the birdland located in the lab world? The level is there (Labrat 3) But I can seem to find the seceret warp there.

I noticed what they say about 3d realms and ID software is that they work on a game until it's perfect, then worry about release dates, instead of rushing the job to meet christmas shoppers, for example (atari tried to do that with a ET game in the late 80's, but it was so rushed, no creativity was added, and no one would buy it. And they Mass-produced the suckers!)

Originally Posted by Puffie40

Also, has anyone got into the birdland located in the lab world? The level is there (Labrat 3) But I can seem to find the seceret warp there

You can't enter the Birdland, the only entrance to a secret level that was finished was the one in Medieval Kineval to Gargoyle's Lair. There's also one in Voltage Village near the end, but it's entirely sealed off. All of the other secret levels would have been useless at this point anyway. Return to Birdland can't really work gameplay-wise because the bird can't shoot. There's also a Psych secret level, but it's unfinished (it was finished by someone else a couple of years back, try searching the J2O database for "Retro Wasteland"). The Diamondus secret level is nothing more than a night version of the first level, and the Tubelectric one isn't even started on! You can open all of them in JCS for a quick peek.

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3