http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13234

This thread is to discuss strategies for battles in the Uberbob thread. Rad made test battles, but of course, those were against single individuals. We can't win if everyone pursues a different goal and not everyone has the same knowledge of things.

Wondering why I so love ninja speed? Well, it's won me several practice matches. But... how? I'm not telling you outright, but here's a hint- it can be used at ANY point in your turn. You just need to know the right moment to use it- when the opponent has left himself open you can do a good twenty damage with shuri using it!

I have a great idea, lets try to get the HP of all the enemies down to zero, while keeping all of our characters' HP above zero!

Okay, for my beginning strategy:

Shuriken: E, SE, S, attack Spoy
Leetzan: Summon enchantresphere 1 SW of Spoy, SW
Sphere: Attack Spoy

This way, we both attack Spoy on the first turn, and block all enemies from getting to Leetzan. If we defend Leetzan like this, she will be able to cast her spells without danger. From here, we hold out 7 turns for Fooruman.

Also, the enchantresphere could be swapped for a water elemental.

Originally Posted by acid

Also, the enchantresphere could be swapped for a water elemental.

Unfoo would unsummon it instantly.


...or would he?

..no, AE. The enemy has healing skills.

..personally, I don't feel like working on this thread anymore for today. And I still have no idea how Shuriken can do that much damage in one turn..
*shrugs*

Anyway, here's my initial tactic for the new fight:

First, make both characters defend. Move Leetzy west, too, to get her away from Spotty. Then summon the Enchantresphere right next to Spotty, in a way that won't let him pass to L33tzy.
If my calculations are correct, Unfooruman will use Unsummon on it and Spotty will use a special attack I think he has, both of which should fail on it.
So in the next turn, Mythslayer could be summoned and Unfooruman manipulated to attack Spotty.. Mythslayer casts Slay and attacks normally... And Shuriken attacks, too..
...hmm..
Actually, Mythslayer might as well be replaced by Water Elemental if the Enchantresphere is there.. but if we knew how Shuriken can deal that much damage, it all wouldn't be a problem... hmmmm.

Originally Posted by cooba

Unfoo would unsummon it instantly.

That's debatable. On one hand, it would be smart, to allow Spoy access to Leetzan. On the other hand, Unfoo looks like he saves his unsummon for the mythslayer...

He did use it on the Water Elemental once.

Really? When? I thought he used it on the mythslayer both times.

I'm pretty sure he did in the first battle..

He didn't.

He didn't.

..oh. That means that any summon except for the Mythslayer is safe from instant death...

Do you think that if we do something outside, before the battle, something might happen to make the battle easier? I am messing around with the man now.

Definitely not.

I seriously doubt Radium will allow it.

Character stats
Note that the details of foes is incomplete. I'll try to update it as we find out more about them

Friendlies
Shruiken
Attack 5
Movement 4
HP 16
Haste: +1 movement to Shruiken from next turn
Ninja speed: +2 movement to Shruiken until end of turn. If used at end of turn, allows a second attack

L33tz4n
Attack 3
Movement 3
HP 9
Hypnotise: control target enemy for one turn. Enemy can't act next turn
Summon mythslayer: summons Mythslayer to target location
Summon water elemental: summons water elemental to target location
Summon Enchantresphere: summons enchantresphere to target location

Fooruman
In first battle, megawarps in on 8th turn to 1st row 4th column, cannot act until end of turn
Attack 6
Movement 2
HP 19
2xDispell: Negate spell effects on target character
Heal: target character restores 15 HP
Raise: Revive target dead character, and character restores 1/2 of total HP
Foshzzle: Attack based on damge Fooruman has taken
Ramming speed: +8 attack, +2 movement until end of turn for Fooruman. Must be used before moving

Friendly summons
Mythslayer
Attack 4
Movement 3
HP 11
Slay: target character loses 1/3 of current HP. Must wait one turn before casting

Water Elemental
Attack 5
Movement 2
HP 8

Enchantresphere
Attack 4
Movement 2
HP 9
Is immune to magic

Foes
Spotty
Attack 4
Movement 2
HP 22
2xPower gun: charms target character with "restore 12 HP per turn"
(infinite)xHealing gun: target character restores 15 HP
Popcorn gun: generates popcorn

Unfooruman
Attack 6
Movement 3
HP 38
Unsummon: unsummon target summon
2xSlay: target character loses 1/3 of current HP
Toxic blood: does 2 damage to target character, and curses character with "lose 2 HP per turn"
Raise: revive target dead character, and character restores 1/2 of total HP
2xHeal: target character restores ? HP
Slow: curses target character with "-1 movement"
Poison: does 1 damage to target character, and curses character with "lose 1 HP per turn"


Important battle notes
Again, subject to change as more information is known

• Characters take Double damage if they cast a spell that turn.
• Characters take Half damage if they are defending that turn.
• Characters take Normal damage if they both cast a spell and defend in the same turn.
• You can move diagonally. Diagonal moves do not cost extra.
• Only one spell per character may be cast per turn. Summons can be targeted anywhere on the battlefield.

8:00p 21/6/5: updated based on Strato's post
9:00p 22/6/5: added Unfoo's 'slow' spell.
7:00p 23/6/5: added Unfoo's "poison" and Spotty's "popcorn" spells.

Most of my ideas were crafted before I knew that Fooruman would appear, so Fooruman can change the overall strategy slightly, but the feeling is still there.

No, spotty has two charges each of his healing gun and his power gun, unless Radium changed that from the trial battles (which seems unlikely).

Radium and Risp told me to delete my post.

I have it ALL memorized! Muahaha!

Well, my post should be safe as it's almost entirely based on information gleaned from the battles so far. Strato's just clarified the casting limits for Spotty and Unfooruman.

at the very begining, hypnotise Spotty to shoot a friendly with his Power Gun.
and if we lose again, kill the CD guy in the "save" hallway before he has a chance to become the Spotty.

Tried both, not possible.

when did we try to KILL the CD guy before the battle?
from what i remember, we stole his CD player, told him there was no soap in the bathrooms, and then stole his book so he got angry and went into the next room.

We said to kill him but Radium ignored us. On purpose.

...it's impossible. Deal with it.

>((

What I was trying to do was just to see if there is anything that could be done out there that might affect the battle in any way, not specifically killing the man.
Maybe you can threaten Spoy with tossing the book/CD Player into the lava?

Originally Posted by Blackraptor

Can you attack, use ninja speed, then attack again (Cause ninja speed gives you extra movement, boosting you from 0 to 2 after you've attacked)?

Originally Posted by Radium

Yes, actually.

I win.

No you don't. I had already been told that and posted it here. But alas, by requests of the "ToU Staff", I deleted it.

Because I wanted them to figure out the tricks themselves rather then relying on insiderish information.

Should we try whoever-it-was' idea to cast Haste over Spotty's Power Gun? Assuming Shuriken even can cast Haste on others besides herself.

She can.

who is Spoy?
who is Spotty?

sorry for being stupid

Spoy is short for Spotty. Spotty is both, in different contexts, a JJ2 player and Unfooruman's minion. If my brain was working properly now I could tell you more, so for now go watch the foo movies or something for more details. (http://www.fooproducts.com/FooMovies.shtml)

Originally Posted by MSB3000

when did we try to KILL the CD guy before the battle?
from what i remember, we stole his CD player, told him there was no soap in the bathrooms, and then stole his book so he got angry and went into the next room.

Before that I had suggested to get rid of his disguise and attack him.

i'm past that now. it's all right. we can move on.

*beep*

Unfoo just showed us a new move: he has some sort of slow power. -1 movement to target.

Seeing as Fooruman will megawarp by this turn, we should try moving Unfoo away from Fooruman's warping position (1N, 4E).