JJ2+ v5.12 (last updated 20 August, 2023)

[szmol96]

Ah, I see. So I have to create a custom object and use determineCurAnim to draw the desired sprite?

[Seren]

No, you just have to load a sprite before drawing it. For example, the following code will, with no side effects, initially load the <code>MENU</code> set so that it can later be used in <code>jjDrawSprite</code> and <code>jjCANVAS::drawSprite</code> function calls:
void onLevelLoad() {
jjObjects[0].determineCurAnim(ANIM::MENU, 0, false);
}

[szmol96]

Now I get it. Thanks for explaining it. :-)

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Any more screenshots on jj2+ beta v5.0? As it is more than an year from the last update, it's sure a great update.

[Jelly Jam]

Idk if this is possible to pull off, but, can you make 2 way tubes for JCS? Or is it atleast possible with angelscript?

[Violet CLM]

Jelly Jam: Yeah, that's no problem with AS. What you want to do is use <code>jjParameterSet</code> to set the X (or Y, depending) speeds of the sucker tube events to face whichever direction you need. So if you're on the left side of the tube, call a function to set the X speeds to positive; if you're on the right side, set them to negative.

[YRSHKD]

What version of JJ2 are you running(1.00g, 1.00h, 1.10o, 1.21, 1.22, 1.23, 1.24, or one of the Xmas Editions?), when did you install it(Before any major changes on your PC?), what version of Windows are you running(If you're running it under another OS, please do specify), and does your version of JJ2 have any oddities(Weird box art, missing content, strange menus, weird glitches that only happen to you)?

Oh, I don't know why I didn't answer this!

+ I have 1.23, 1.24 TSF and 1.24 Xmas - I have all editions.
+ I installed it July 2013, I guess. But PC has no major changes - except 2 recovery processing.
+ I use Windows 8.1 Single Language.
+ No oddity. JJ2 works very well in all versions.

And so here it is, I still can't install JJ2+ :(


I'm reading the post from here nowadays, and the news look like exciting. Wow!

[Treylina]

Oh, I don't know why I didn't answer this!

+ I have 1.23, 1.24 TSF and 1.24 Xmas - I have all editions.
+ I installed it July 2013, I guess. But PC has no major changes - except 2 recovery processing.
+ I use Windows 8.1 Single Language.
+ No oddity. JJ2 works very well in all versions.

And so here it is, I still can't install JJ2+ :(


I'm reading the post from here nowadays, and the news look like exciting. Wow!
Okay, I'm going to ask more questions:

Did you extract all the plus files out of the Zip, and put them inside the corresponding JJ2 folder? This is essential. For convenience and making sure you don't miss anything, use Ctrl + A to copy all files.

After that, did you use plusifier? You also need this to make plus. It'll create jazz2+ exe. If you try to use plusifer when the plus contents aren't in the jj2 folder (and having the zip itself in the folder doesn't count, you have to extract it), it won't work.

I also advise getting the October 2013 version. It hotfixes some annoying bugs.

If you get the application error when opening JJ2+, that's a normal plus bug. There's a way to work around that.

[YRSHKD]

Okay, I'm going to ask more questions:

Did you extract all the plus files out of the Zip, and put them inside the corresponding JJ2 folder? This is essential. For convenience and making sure you don't miss anything, use Ctrl + A to copy all files.

After that, did you use plusifier? You also need this to make plus. It'll create jazz2+ exe. If you try to use plusifer when the plus contents aren't in the jj2 folder (and having the zip itself in the folder doesn't count, you have to extract it), it won't work.

I also advise getting the October 2013 version. It hotfixes some annoying bugs.

If you get the application error when opening JJ2+, that's a normal plus bug. There's a way to work around that.

I can't install JJ2+ to my TSF and Xmas packs 'cause of LK Avalon edition.

And when I try to install 1.23, I got this:

http://i.hizliresim.com/z2QQLR.png

:(

[Violet CLM]

Are you sure that jazz2.exe is in the same folder as plusifier.exe? What is its filesize? Can you share a screenshot of its main menu?

[Treylina]

1.23 is downloaded separately from plus, by the way.

http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/572/jazz-jackrabbit-2-123-registered-patch/

[YRSHKD]

Oh wait. I just figure out my JJ2 version is 1.20, not 1.23...
I used the patch and I have JJ2+ now.
But I still can't use JJ2+ for TSF 'cause of LK Avalon.

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Oh wait. I just figure out my JJ2 version is 1.20, not 1.23...
I used the patch and I have JJ2+ now.
But I still can't use JJ2+ for TSF 'cause of LK Avalon.

Find a TSF without LK Avalon, I remember I had one, if I can find it I will give it to you.

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

(Deleted post -- Torkell)

Yeah but just install TSF, not TSF & Plus, because the plus on the installer it's an older version. Install TSF and download the plus from here: JJ2+ (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19489&page=19)

[Torkell]

/me puts admin hat on

Just a quick reminder that links to warez and abandonware are not allowed on this site. This includes posting instructions on how to find warez/abandonware.

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

/me puts admin hat on

Just a quick reminder that links to warez and abandonware are not allowed on this site. This includes posting instructions on how to find warez/abandonware.

What? but he didn't put any link.

[Torkell]

/me puts admin hat on

Just a quick reminder that links to warez and abandonware are not allowed on this site. This includes posting instructions on how to find warez/abandonware.

What? but he didn't put any link.

No, but he did post instructions including a website name. Just because it's not a link you can click on doesn't mean it's allowed.

[YRSHKD]

Actually last night I found TSF without LK Avalon, and I have JJ2+ and JJ2+ TSF right now. :P

[Jelly Jam]

/me puts admin hat on

Just a quick reminder that links to warez and abandonware are not allowed on this site. This includes posting instructions on how to find warez/abandonware.

If JCF and some other site (site removed -- Torkell) are for the same community, then i dont see a reason to not post the instructions from that reply :confused:

[Treylina]

If JCF and some other site (site removed -- Torkell) are for the same community, then i dont see a reason to not post the instructions from that reply :confused:

They're not the same community, and have a different host. Some other site (site removed -- Torkell) is more about the ladders and "competitive" side of the community. They're more relaxed about posting warez. It's probably to do with host provider rules.

[KRSplatinum]

I doubt that some other site's (site removed -- Torkell) host provider allows warez. If more people visited, eventually someone would report a virus (JJ2+) to their ISP, which could result in the site being taken off the web. The problem is lack of distinction between virus and warez.

Plus the communities are basically same. Just two different subsets of the same group of spam bots.

I already even reported some other site's (site removed -- Torkell) piracy to Epic's twitter.

[Jelly Jam]

I already even reported some other site's (site removed -- Torkell) piracy to Epic's twitter.

TRAITOR! :eek:

[Torkell]

Alright, enough of this. This is the JJ2+ thread, not the "should sites permit warez" thread.

Feel free to create such a thread if you want to continue the discussion, as long as you obey the "no warez/abandonware" rule.

Also, while I've removed the name of the site in the previous posts that doesn't mean you can't post about it or link to it. Just not in the context of providing warez (otherwise we'd have to block Google :) ).

[Treylina]

I doubt that JJnet's host provider allows warez. If more people visited, eventually someone would report a virus (JJ2+) to their ISP, which could result in the site being taken off the web. The problem is lack of distinction between virus and warez.

Plus the communities are basically same. Just two different subsets of the same group of spam bots.

I already even reported JJnet's piracy to Epic's twitter.

JJ2+...Virus? Really? You fished that joke right from the desert.

I wouldn't worry about piracy until Epic actually bothers to redistribute JJ2.

But I better not say much else, because oh wait, it's actually a joke that no one else gets but Krsplat himself, but no one understands because they're dry as sandpaper, so you don't always know when he's actually serious.

Edit disclaimer: This post was being created before the mod posted and edited. This forum doesn't have a feature that makes you reconfirm a post, if someone else submitted one, while you were creating a post.

[Timic83]

having some issues with JJ2+...

1. is there any way to disable joystick input/wipe all default joystick? i want to use xpadder and avoid conflicts with the game arbitrarily decides my buttons are

2. no music during the intro video or menu, how can i fix this, that menu song is unforgettable

[Treylina]

having some issues with JJ2+...

1. is there any way to disable joystick input/wipe all default joystick? i want to use xpadder and avoid conflicts with the game arbitrarily decides my buttons are

2. no music during the intro video or menu, how can i fix this, that menu song is unforgettable

1. Idk.

2. That's Gry's fault, he didn't include menu.j2b in the installer. Nor the intro or bonus music. The J2O mod archive isn't working right now, so the only way I can think of getting the menu music, is downloading this;

http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/files/4086/menuj2b/info/

[Slaz]

having some issues with JJ2+...

1. is there any way to disable joystick input/wipe all default joystick? i want to use xpadder and avoid conflicts with the game arbitrarily decides my buttons are

I never tested this, but try starting Jazz2.exe with the -nojoy command. Just enter your JJ2 install path with Jazz2.exe -nojoy from the Run dialog, command line, or anywhere else where stuff can be ran from.

2. no music during the intro video or menu, how can i fix this, that menu song is unforgettable

At least these songs are included in the Shareware game, so perhaps try and download a shareware JJ2 copy from any source on the net, install it, and copy those songs to your JJ2+ folder.

[Primpy]

I doubt that some other site's (site removed -- Torkell) host provider allows warez. If more people visited, eventually someone would report a virus (JJ2+) to their ISP, which could result in the site being taken off the web. The problem is lack of distinction between virus and warez.

Plus the communities are basically same. Just two different subsets of the same group of spam bots.

I already even reported some other site's (site removed -- Torkell) piracy to Epic's twitter.

Don't be silly.

[Timic83]

At least these songs are included in the Shareware game, so perhaps try and download a shareware JJ2 copy from any source on the net, install it, and copy those songs to your JJ2+ folder.

thanks a lot, worked perfectly!!!

[Primpy]

didn't work, has anyone else fixed this issue?

Window JJ2 plus if it's on fullscreen, go to sounds tab (or however is it called) and uncheck Mute Music. If this is not the problem, idk.

[Primpy]

Christmas is almost here. When will the new version of JJ2+ be released? I feel... outdated...

[KRSplatinum]

Let's look at what changes are anticipating in the next plus release.

- Powered up electroblaster (ice blue color)
- Bugfix about using mouse wheel in menu screen or serverlist causing crashes

[Violet CLM]

- A new enum
- <a href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-2-plus/images/flip-the-bird#imagebox">Additional bird option/s</a>
- Whatever those JJ1-themed screenshots were about
<!-- - A new multiplayer gamemode -->

[Primpy]

Good to know but seriously, I can't wait anymore.
Also, does anyone know where can I find JJ v1.00g (Beta)?

[Slaz]

- A new enum
- <a href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-2-plus/images/flip-the-bird#imagebox">Additional bird option/s</a>
- Whatever those JJ1-themed screenshots were about
<!-- - A new multiplayer gamemode -->

Sounds nice!
<!-- - Team treasure hunt perhaps? -->

A question: will the bug that crashes JJ2+ when starting the game in fullscreen mode be fixed? The bug has been reported by me and various others in the years past, and I believe it's there since one of Blur's later releases. It only happens when you last quit JJ2+ in fullscreen mode. The current workaround is to always start with the -menu flag, but that still exits fullscreen and somehow minimizes the window each time.

Another 'issue' I have is with the removal of the 70FPS limit in fullscreen. I don't know why or how, but for me vanilla JJ2 runs smoother in fullscreen than Plus does, which shows minor stuttering during movement. It's not a big deal or anything, but maybe make a .ini setting that allows players to choose a target framerate for (at least) fullscreen mode?

Perhaps I'm one of the few players that uses fullscreen most of the time, so I hope I'm not such a bother with these issues. :rolleyes:

[Primpy]

Slaz, do you have a JJ2 beta version? I can't find any on the internet.

[Primpy]

- A new enum
- <a href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-2-plus/images/flip-the-bird#imagebox">Additional bird option/s</a>
- Whatever those JJ1-themed screenshots were about
<!-- - A new multiplayer gamemode -->

Perhaps getting Tweedle to work? It would be my fav boss if it would work.

[Seren]

Why is it so hard for you to understand that this forum forbids illegal content including warez and even if somebody wanted to, they couldn't post a link to a non-shareware version of any Jazz Jackrabbit game?

[Primpy]

Why is it so hard for you to understand that this forum forbids illegal content including warez and even if somebody wanted to, they couldn't post a link to a non-shareware version of any Jazz Jackrabbit game?

The Beta was completely free.
From wiki: "Two of the versions were distributed along with some of Intel’s hardware (the result of an Epic-Intel deal), and one of them was a press release which surfaced publically around May 2004."

The Beta was included in some of Intel's hardware, so Intel PCs had JJ2 Beta installed.

Why is it still forbidden to post links to the JJ2 full games since Epic doesn't sell them anymore? This is just silly!

[Primpy]

If people are not allowed to post here a link, please send me one of the Beta versions on my email: primpymail@gmail.com

[Treylina]

The Beta was completely free.
From wiki: "Two of the versions were distributed along with some of Intel’s hardware (the result of an Epic-Intel deal), and one of them was a press release which surfaced publically around May 2004."

The Beta was included in some of Intel's hardware, so Intel PCs had JJ2 Beta installed.

Why is it still forbidden to post links to the JJ2 full games since Epic doesn't sell them anymore? This is just silly!

Just because you could get JJ2 along with buying hardware, doesn't mean it's free.

I don't agree with abandonware with being illegal either, but rules are rules. This isn't the place to ask where to download certain copies.

[Jelly Jam]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the JJ2 beta just contains different levels. You can just ask someone here that has them. And i'm PREETY SURE some people here have them (not me :p).

[Primpy]

Just because you could get JJ2 along with buying hardware, doesn't mean it's free.

I don't agree with abandonware with being illegal either, but rules are rules. This isn't the place to ask where to download certain copies.

I understand but DAMN! It's insanely hard to find a beta version of JJ2!

[Primpy]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the JJ2 beta just contains different levels. You can just ask someone here that has them. And i'm PREETY SURE some people here have them (not me :p).

I didn't know it contains different levels, but that's good to know.

Well, if someone who has any beta version of JJ2, please reply on this thread or send me the game: primpymail@gmail.com

[snzspeed]

I dont think the beta contains any "new" levels, unless you count the MP ones.

[Violet CLM]

This is <em>not</em> a 1.00g topic. Shoo! We have a perfectly good article about the differences, and you can play the 1.00 MP levels in 1.23 nowadays anyway.
Sounds nice!A question: will the bug that crashes JJ2+ when starting the game in fullscreen mode be fixed?
I don't see any harm in answering this question; yes, it has. blur arose from the dead and edited some code that nobody else understood and now that particular crash is gone. (Or so I've been told, since I wasn't personally able to trigger it to begin with.)
Perhaps getting Tweedle to work? It would be my fav boss if it would work.
My position on Tweedle is that someone should just code him/them up in AngelScript. If they do a good enough job, maybe it could be converted into JJ2+ code, but in the meantime there's nothing preventing people from writing their own Tweedle behaviors just as with any other sprite set.

[Primpy]

My position on Tweedle is that someone should just code him/them up in AngelScript. If they do a good enough job, maybe it could be converted into JJ2+ code, but in the meantime there's nothing preventing people from writing their own Tweedle behaviors just as with any other sprite set.

At least making Tweedle as a normal enemy? It surprises me that nobody tried to code Tweedle. It would make a great boss.

[KRSplatinum]

Whoever is making a level where they want to use Tweedle boss, will have ample reason and opportunity to make AngelScript code for Tweedle. Although there probably is no precedent for how to use Tweedle in a level, which could make it harder.

[Primpy]

May I suggest a search bar for "Home Cooked Levels" section? I've got 209 levels, and sometimes I just want to go to the bottom of the list or somewhere in the middle really quick.

[Stijn]

May I suggest a search bar for "Home Cooked Levels" section? I've got 209 levels, and sometimes I just want to go to the bottom of the list or somewhere in the middle really quick.
There's several improvements for that in the next release that will solve your problems, I think.

[Primpy]

There's several improvements for that in the next release that will solve your problems, I think.

Good to know.

[Primpy]

Well, i remember seeing some beta footage, and i played the beta race level is some servers.

When I read it first I thought you were talking about the bonus round. I was like whaa... Well, I wish to get the entire beta on my PC.

[Jelly Jam]

Why do you need the damn beta, anyway? Are you really a THAT BIG JJ2 fanboy? :D
EDIT: But yeah, the race level really was beta.

[Primpy]

Why do you need the damn beta, anyway? Are you really a THAT BIG JJ2 fanboy? :D
EDIT: But yeah, the race level really was beta.

Pretty much obsessed. I just want to play the beta myself, to see differences and stuff. Videos and info aren't enuff for me.

[Violet CLM]

okay, but go post about it in a different thread

[Primpy]

okay, but go post about it in a different thread

Erm, right. So, what other features will the new JJ2+ update have?

[Jelly Jam]

Whoever is making a level where they want to use Tweedle boss, will have ample reason and opportunity to make AngelScript code for Tweedle. Although there probably is no precedent for how to use Tweedle in a level, which could make it harder.
Well, even if someone was able to pull it off, there are not enough animations for the tweedle boss battle, i mean, there are boss animations, but there aren't enough gunless animations.

[Slaz]

I don't see any harm in answering this question; yes, it has. blur arose from the dead and edited some code that nobody else understood and now that particular crash is gone. (Or so I've been told, since I wasn't personally able to trigger it to begin with.)
Ah, thanks for the top secret info. And nice of Blur to 'sharpen' up that old code. :7

Well, even if someone was able to pull it off, there are not enough animations for the tweedle boss battle, i mean, there are boss animations, but there aren't enough gunless animations.

I remember someone in the early days of Plus AS made a version of Bubba with Tweedle animations. Yes it was silly but funny to see him hop around in his intended Psych arena.

[Jelly Jam]

Ah, thanks for the top secret info. And nice of Blur to 'sharpen' up that old code. :7
I remember someone in the early days of Plus AS made a version of Bubba with Tweedle animations. Yes it was silly but funny to see him hop around in his intended Psych arena.
Ha! Same here. There was this player called Nick, who made the exact same thing, but not in the psych level though, just a level for testing porpuses. In that battle, tweedle used his magnet animation while jumping, so hilarious.
EDIT: Also, i think that those cool animations (ledge grabbing, diagonal running, shooting up while in air etc.) were replaced with the lori animations. So, if it was possible to make the gunless fight, what about the TSF users?

[Love & Thunder]

Well, you could just have it check which version of JJ2 you're using. If it's TSF, it keeps the regular animations but still disables the gun, and if it's 1.23, you get both the animations and the disabled gun.

[Jelly Jam]

Wait, so, the new JJ2+ has some updates to JJ1 as well?

[Slaz]

Wait, so, the new JJ2+ has some updates to JJ1 as well?

Violet & co are quite mysterious about it, but earlier teaser screenshots suggests OpenJazz integration with Plus.

That could mean JJ1 data is usable in JJ2, likely through new JJ1 gamemodes. I wonder though, if levels could use JJ2/AS and OJ aspects at once, or if it'll be fully separated.

[Jelly Jam]

So... instalation should be the same like for JJ2 (using plusfiller)?

[Love & Thunder]

I imagine it would be like OpenJazz, where you just put all the data files in the correct folder.

[Primpy]

Question related to JJ2+:
I deleted JJ2 from my computer because it had waaay to many maps (Like 200-300). I know in "Home Cooked Levels" there were a few test levels showing the features of JJ2+ (One of them had falling Devan as a boss). Where/How can I get them back?

[Primpy]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1010147_1524627651110726_9140067220955999255_n.png ?oh=01bd7759b994fbc2a193041db04ae8f8&oe=5546FAD6

This is the Devan containing level I'm talking about.

[Jelly Jam]

There's a link to the example levels at the start of this thread.
Also, can't wait to download JJ1 again so I can see the new features :D

[Primpy]

Played the "multiple exits" map and I got into this awesome menu:
http://i.imgur.com/3ZDJ1h6.png
How can I get into it quicker? I mean... dunno... why isn't this an actual menu?
Damn my lack of exprimation.

[cooba]

It's not an actual menu, it's a (blank) level with a script.

[Primpy]

It's not an actual menu, it's a (blank) level with a script.

I know, I am not dumb. I was just wondering if there is or could be a shortcut for it.

[cooba]

I know, I am not dumb. I was just wondering if there is or could be a shortcut for it.Save & Run from JCS.

[Jelly Jam]

I know, I am not dumb. I was just wondering if there is or could be a shortcut for it.
I'm dumb.
:D
Anywho,will there be a enable/disable gun9 powerup command? Cuz the powered up electro will change some levels

[Stijn]

There is no plus component in the making that I'm aware of that does anything with JJ1. I suppose Violet's screenshot were instead showcasing the (impressive) new things you can do with Actionscript.

[Violet CLM]

<code>/strongpowerups &lt;on|off&gt;</code> is already available I think

[Love & Thunder]

Actionscript.
http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/5575130.jpg

[Primpy]

Save & Run from JCS.

How? What?
...
I'm dumb.

[Jelly Jam]

How? What?
...
I'm dumb.
He means, open the level file in jcs. Then go to 'file', and click 'save and run'

[Primpy]

http://i.imgur.com/BTRFCS7.png
Nope. "Jazz Jackrabbit 2 -".

[Violet CLM]

That's because JCS runs Jazz2.exe, and you're looking for Jazz2+.exe or some similar name.

Now, there's nothing stopping you from making a shortcut with the target <code>C:\Games\Jazz2\Jazz2+.exe plusMenu.j2l</code> (adjust for your own computer's file system as necessary). Or you could configure your computer so you never have to use Save+Run for other people's levels again. (Though later versions of Windows have made the process harder, so you may need to download a program specifically for editing file type associations.)

[Jelly Jam]

<code>/strongpowerups &lt;on|off&gt;</code> is already available I think
Does that effect all of the powerups or just the electroblaster one (and probably pepper spray)?

[Primpy]

That's because JCS runs Jazz2.exe, and you're looking for Jazz2+.exe or some similar name.

Now, there's nothing stopping you from making a shortcut with the target <code>C:\Games\Jazz2\Jazz2+.exe plusMenu.j2l</code> (adjust for your own computer's file system as necessary). Or you could configure your computer so you never have to use Save+Run for other people's levels again. (Though later versions of Windows have made the process harder, so you may need to download a program specifically for editing file type associations.)

Thanks a lot, it really helped! :)

[Treylina]

I deleted JJ2 from my computer because it had waaay to many maps (Like 200-300).

Or you could've deleted the levels instead, or opened them in JCS and ticked hide in home cooked levels (by clicking tools then selecting level properties). I use a password cracker if I can't access the level. http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/6627/-/

I have way more than 200-300 levels. I don't mind at all. I have a lot of WIPs and like having a big archive.

I don't rely on HCL to open levels most of the time, as I find it one of the most tedious and unreliable ways to open levels. I only use it to see what levels are lying around, and I try to use "run..." for SP instead, which opens the level instantly without going into JJ2;

"C:\Games\Jazz2tsf\jazz2.exe sedec -turbo -spaz"
You need to know the directory of the folder, though. If you leave the difficulty and character as blank, it defaults to Jazz and medium. I renamed my Jazz2+.exe for convenience with JCS. I find the run program, by typing it in the start menu search bar.

Does that effect all of the powerups or just the electroblaster one (and probably pepper spray)?
You should really look at the plus readme. Ctrl + F is your friend (then type strongpowerups and you should find out specifically what it does).

"When enabled, pepper spray and electro-blaster will deal 2 hearts of damage when powered up. (Server must be running latest version of JJ2+.)"
If doesn't affect other powerups because it doesn't mention it.

[Primpy]

Or you could've deleted the levels instead, or opened them in JCS and ticked hide in home cooked levels (by clicking tools then selecting level properties). I use a password cracker if I can't access the level. http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/6627/-/

I have way more than 200-300 levels. I don't mind at all. I have a lot of WIPs and like having a big archive.

I don't rely on HCL to open levels most of the time, as I find it one of the most tedious and unreliable ways to open levels. I only use it to see what levels are lying around, and I try to use "run..." for SP instead, which opens the level instantly without going into JJ2;

"C:\Games\Jazz2tsf\jazz2.exe sedec -turbo -spaz"
You need to know the directory of the folder, though. If you leave the difficulty and character as blank, it defaults to Jazz and medium. I renamed my Jazz2+.exe for convenience with JCS. I find the run program, by typing it in the start menu search bar.


You should really look at the plus readme. Ctrl + F is your friend (then type strongpowerups and you should find out specifically what it does).

"When enabled, pepper spray and electro-blaster will deal 2 hearts of damage when powered up. (Server must be running latest version of JJ2+.)"
If doesn't affect other powerups because it doesn't mention it.

Thanks for the tips :)

[Jelly Jam]

When enabled, pepper spray and electro-blaster will deal 2 hearts of damage when powered up. (Server must be running latest version of JJ2+.
If doesn't affect other powerups because it doesn't mention it.
Thanks

[Jelly Jam]

http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/23/22047/thumb_620x2000/bluebird.png
Was barely waiting for something like this. So, since the blue-orange bird stomps even when it's your buddy, does that mean when we're green-red birds we can shoot?
Also it's good to see that the bird is going up the way it was originaly intended to.
Doh i can't wait anymore... I want to try this...
Also
http://i59.tinypic.com/vrpmiw.png
This looks SUPER MEGA GIGA TERA ULTRA SWEET!SPLITSCREEN FOR JJ1, HOLY WOW, JJ1 IS NOW BETTER THAN JJ2.
But in the story of jj1, jazz is supposed to save the galaxy by himself, not with a companion :D

[Primpy]

May I suggest fixing the frog getting stuck in the ropes/strings/whatever?

[Jelly Jam]

May I suggest fixing the frog getting stuck in the ropes/strings/whatever?
Oh that. You guys can probably make the frog walk on the vine. Also, when shooting unpowered rf up while on a vine, it hits the vine, and with poweredup rf and every other weapon it's perfectly fine. I suggest making unpowered rf not hit the vine or whatsoever.
EDIT: in the next update, of course... Unless we find it in this update? :O

[Primpy]

Oh that. You guys can probably make the frog walk on the vine. Also, when shooting unpowered rf up while on a vine, it hits the vine, and with poweredup rf and every other weapon it's perfectly fine. I suggest making unpowered rf not hit the vine or whatsoever.
EDIT: in the next update, of course... Unless we find it in this update? :O

Frogs can walk on the ropes, but nothing more. The ropes are deadly, since you can't jump off them. My suggestion is to be able to get off the ropes OR to be unable to touch the rope (Like Hip Hop, I guess).

[KRSplatinum]

Frogs can walk on the ropes, but nothing more. The ropes are deadly, since you can't jump off them. My suggestion is to be able to get off the ropes OR to be unable to touch the rope (Like Hip Hop, I guess).

Maybe that's not a bug but an intended interaction. That sounds like fly paper for frogs.

[Primpy]

Maybe that's not a bug but an intended interaction. That sounds like fly paper for frogs.

Then why can they still move?

[Jelly Jam]

Then why can they still move?
Epic probably didn't think that the JCSer will put vines AND frogs in the area where they can interact

[Treylina]

May I suggest fixing the frog getting stuck in the ropes/strings/whatever?

It got fixed in 5.0. Sometimes they fall right through it, though.

[Primpy]

It got fixed in 5.0. Sometimes they fall right through it, though.

5.0 is released or indev?

[Stijn]

In development, yet to be released. It's not known yet when that will be :)

[Primpy]

In development, yet to be released. It's not known yet when that will be :)

Oh, alright :P

[snzspeed]

Its cool that like 50% of the community have the unreleased 5.0 already.

[Stijn]

5.0 is just the number under which the next plus version will be released. I don't know whether an intermediate version is out in the wild, but as changes to plus are still made daily, I don't think it's the same thing as what will eventually be released as 5.0.

[cooba]

Its cool that like 50% of the community have the unreleased 5.0 already.More like 5.0% of the community

http://i.imgur.com/BYoK8kX.png

[Primpy]

More like 5.0% of the community

http://i.imgur.com/BYoK8kX.png

Is there a place where I can get it or it's in private testing?

[Stijn]

That's the list of people with access to the development version. It's not publicly accessible.

[Primpy]

That's the list of people with access to the development version. It's not publicly accessible.

D'aww. It's been such a long time since the last JJ2+ version was released.

[Jelly Jam]

D'aww. It's been such a long time since the last JJ2+ version was released.
Yeah, i wish for the preview of 5.0, too. But sadly, no can do :p
EDIT: Well that list has the people who were preety much involved in the project.
ANOTHER EDIT: Daaaaaaamnnn, i was hoping for it to come out this christmas :(

[Primpy]

May I suggest a "King of the Hill" gamemode? It's kinda simple: The team who can keep the control point captured for 3 minutes wins the game. The other team can capture it by standing on it for... let's say 10 seconds? There's a timer for each team. The control point can be anything. I don't know if it's just be, but I'd really love to see and play KOTH on JJ2.

[Jelly Jam]

May I suggest a "King of the Hill" gamemode? It's kinda simple: The team who can keep the control point captured for 3 minutes wins the game. The other team can capture it by standing on it for... let's say 10 seconds? There's a timer for each team. The control point can be anything. I don't know if it's just be, but I'd really love to see and play KOTH on JJ2.
I doubt they will use our ideas for anything. But still, i gotta post this...

If you can think of a way team treasure would actually work though, be my guest.

I indeed have an idea how it would work:
There are two vaults (bases?) for each team. The players from the team collect gems and all of their collected gems store in the base.
Example: Two teammates. Each one has like 30 gems. they both go to the vault, and store their gems, and the vault will have 60 gems (30+30=60 :p). i'm no programmer though, so maybe this ain't possible...

[Zah dud4h]

May I suggest a "King of the Hill" gamemode? It's kinda simple: The team who can keep the control point captured for 3 minutes wins the game. The other team can capture it by standing on it for... let's say 10 seconds? There's a timer for each team. The control point can be anything. I don't know if it's just be, but I'd really love to see and play KOTH on JJ2.

you can aleardy do that,you just need the domination gamemode on and make a level with one gem

Edit:also the jj+ is gonna to have the save option fixed? cause everytime i load a save file,it gives me an acces violation

[Violet CLM]

Save files were literally the first item in the issue tracker, but sorry to say, they're not fixed yet. There needs to be a way to get them to play nicely with AngelScript (and other engine changes, but that's the most obvious), and because there are no SP episodes that explicitly require JJ2+, it's never been a priority.

Jelly Jam: Ideas from the community certainly get used sometimes, but they have to hit that sweet spot where ease of implementation meets definite benefit. No guarantees on any specific suggestion.

[Primpy]

you can aleardy do that,you just need the domination gamemode on and make a level with one gem

Edit:also the jj+ is gonna to have the save option fixed? cause everytime i load a save file,it gives me an acces violation

Not really what I meant. A control point is a steady tile or more. You can move the gem all over you want and there cannot be a timer or something like that (Since in my idea of KOTH, each team has a timer).

Also, since I steal all the ideas from Team Fortress 2, there could be a "Robot Destruction" gamemode. Each team has a base, each base has robots. There are 3 kinds of robots: C robots, B robots and A robots. C robots drop less gems than B robots, B robots less gems than A robots. Each team's robots are passive props. To be able to destroy the B robots you have to destory the C robots first, same thing to A robots. All the gems are stored in the "reactor core". If a team can reach to the opposite team's reactor core, they can steal their stored gems. All they have to do is to reach the reactor tile (or prop, whatever) and wait there until they steal all the gems (stealing 5-10 gems per second). They have to run with the enemy reactor core to their reactor core, so they can store all the stolen gems. This gamemode is more like a mix of "Capture the Flag" and "Capture", but harder and more exciting. I'd draw something of how should a map look like, but my mouse is kinda broken. If you're curious how this gamemode looks, download Team Fortress 2 from Steam (It's a free game), go to "Play Multiplayer", "Show Beta Maps" and there is "Robot Destruction". Oh, and also for the robot prop could be used the robot boss animation(s). They're not standing still, but wandering.

[Zah dud4h]

Not really what I meant. A control point is a steady tile or more. You can move the gem all over you want and there cannot be a timer or something like that (Since in my idea of KOTH, each team has a timer).

Also, since I steal all the ideas from Team Fortress 2, there could be a "Robot Destruction" gamemode. Each team has a base, each base has robots. There are 3 kinds of robots: C robots, B robots and A robots. C robots drop less gems than B robots, B robots less gems than A robots. Each team's robots are passive props. To be able to destroy the B robots you have to destory the C robots first, same thing to A robots. All the gems are stored in the "reactor core". If a team can reach to the opposite team's reactor core, they can steal their stored gems. All they have to do is to reach the reactor tile (or prop, whatever) and wait there until they steal all the gems (stealing 5-10 gems per second). They have to run with the enemy reactor core to their reactor core, so they can store all the stolen gems. This gamemode is more like a mix of "Capture the Flag" and "Capture", but harder and more exciting. I'd draw something of how should a map look like, but my mouse is kinda broken. If you're curious how this gamemode looks, download Team Fortress 2 from Steam (It's a free game), go to "Play Multiplayer", "Show Beta Maps" and there is "Robot Destruction". Oh, and also for the robot prop could be used the robot boss animation(s). They're not standing still, but wandering.

i meant the controls points from domination,you cannot move them,also there are capture scores,just adjust the "timer" how you want

also the robot destruction idea i think it can be implimented in angel script too,making a wave of robots in a area,then when you kill them,they will drop gems and the gamemode must be treasure hunt;-)

[Primpy]

i meant the controls points from domination,you cannot move them,also there are capture scores,just adjust the "timer" how you want

also the robot destruction idea i think it can be implimented in angel script too,making a wave of robots in a area,then when you kill them,they will drop gems and the gamemode must be treasure hunt;-)

Still not what I'm expecting, since each team has its own timer.

[Treylina]

Still not what I'm expecting, since each team has its own timer.

The score IS the timer. It's just not specific on how much time represents one point.

King of the hill is virtually the exact same as domination with a single control point. The JJ2 control points are too small to stand on them, and they are usually in midair. I'd rather give options that make a real difference, like spawn timers for domination and ctf, gaining gems instantly after shooting a player, and making blinking players incapable of hitting others nor being able of picking up their own gems instantly (which is why treasure results in frustrating chain fights).

[Primpy]

The score IS the timer. It's just not specific on how much time represents one point.

King of the hill is virtually the exact same as domination with a single control point. The JJ2 control points are too small to stand on them, and they are usually in midair. I'd rather give options that make a real difference, like spawn timers for domination and ctf, gaining gems instantly after shooting a player, and making blinking players incapable of hitting others nor being able of picking up their own gems instantly (which is why treasure results in frustrating chain fights).

Doesn't make sense for me, but ayy. What do you think about "Robot Destruction"?

[Slaz]

'Robot Destruction' the way you describe it rather looks like something that could be AngelScripted, instead of being hardcoded into Plus.

Of course I'm no scripter, but I'd imagine making a few custom robot enemies and defining rules on how and when they spawn are a proper base for such gamemodes.

Actually, I thought about some JJ2 'horde' mode a while ago. As in making waves of enemies spawn in Battle maps, which become harder and in greater numbers after each cleared wave, with a chance to resupply ammo/health inbetween them. Then there could be a boss wave once every 10 waves or so. Man, I should learn to use AngelScript sometime..

[Violet CLM]

Do! And/or collaborate. There's a sufficient store of people who find scripting any particular effect or feature comparatively trivial, but a) haven't come up with the particular ideas you're looking for or b) don't have the energy to turn snippets of code into full levels. If you're specific enough about what you need, and don't want to put in the time to do it yourself, it shouldn't be hard to find someone to help.

[Foly]

Actually, I thought about some JJ2 'horde' mode a while ago. As in making waves of enemies spawn in Battle maps, which become harder and in greater numbers after each cleared wave, with a chance to resupply ammo/health inbetween them. Then there could be a boss wave once every 10 waves or so. Man, I should learn to use AngelScript sometime..

Castle defense :)

I worked on that more than a year ago. At that moment I wanted to make it more like a new kind of jj2 assault level where a group of players could fight against normal jj2 enemies and also more fancy coded jj2 bosses. I also wanted to include a coin system where players could buy new type of guns, upgrades to the castle or other stuff out of the coins fallen from enemies. I stopped working on it because at that moment I kinda lost motivation and some things weren't possible with AS yet ;)

[Slaz]

Ah, good to hear I'm not the only one who believes such gamemode is a good idea, Foly. I will try following Violet's advice and start reading the AS documentary. Maybe we can make Castle Defense a collaboration in the near future, as the next JJ2+ release will likely bring enough new AS features anyway.

My current JCS project is an SP level using an original tileset (where only the level isn't fully finished yet). Perhaps I'll delay it and use it to experiment AS features to make it more interesting and visually appealing. :rolleyes:

[Primpy]

'Robot Destruction' the way you describe it rather looks like something that could be AngelScripted, instead of being hardcoded into Plus.

Of course I'm no scripter, but I'd imagine making a few custom robot enemies and defining rules on how and when they spawn are a proper base for such gamemodes.

Actually, I thought about some JJ2 'horde' mode a while ago. As in making waves of enemies spawn in Battle maps, which become harder and in greater numbers after each cleared wave, with a chance to resupply ammo/health inbetween them. Then there could be a boss wave once every 10 waves or so. Man, I should learn to use AngelScript sometime..

Talking about the last part, do you mean something similar to "Mann VS Machine" in Team Fortress 2? MvM is a Co-op gamemode where you have to stop the robots from deploying the bomb. Of course, in TF2 this requires "mad" skills since the robots are like 3 times powerfuller than a player and there are tons of robots. There are several waves, depending on the map and the difficulty.

So, this could be done in JJ2 as well? There are so many gamemodes that could be just awesome on JJ2, but looks like nobody's got an initiative.

Do! And/or collaborate. There's a sufficient store of people who find scripting any particular effect or feature comparatively trivial, but a) haven't come up with the particular ideas you're looking for or b) don't have the energy to turn snippets of code into full levels. If you're specific enough about what you need, and don't want to put in the time to do it yourself, it shouldn't be hard to find someone to help.

I would do it myself but:
-This year I've got an important exam, probably the most important so far. School in Romania is way more difficult than in some of the countries (I know this from various sources) and I have to study hard until this summer.
-I have no idea how to program. I'd like to learn though, since my current life wish is to become a programmer, even if I'm not THAT clever ._.
-I'm 14. No reason to detail here.

If anyone would like my idea, I am up to make a map but nothing more.

[Primpy]

Castle defense :)

I worked on that more than a year ago. At that moment I wanted to make it more like a new kind of jj2 assault level where a group of players could fight against normal jj2 enemies and also more fancy coded jj2 bosses. I also wanted to include a coin system where players could buy new type of guns, upgrades to the castle or other stuff out of the coins fallen from enemies. I stopped working on it because at that moment I kinda lost motivation and some things weren't possible with AS yet ;)


Do it! Do it! Do it! :rolleyes:

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Ah, good to hear I'm not the only one who believes such gamemode is a good idea, Foly. I will try following Violet's advice and start reading the AS documentary. Maybe we can make Castle Defense a collaboration in the near future, as the next JJ2+ release will likely bring enough new AS features anyway.

My current JCS project is an SP level using an original tileset (where only the level isn't fully finished yet). Perhaps I'll delay it and use it to experiment AS features to make it more interesting and visually appealing. :rolleyes:

Well... I am kinda working on some AngelScripted Gamemodes, I am working on a Survival Gamemode, where you can craft, smelt, collect, mine and there will be certain waves of monsters coming... and a Squad (Team) Wars Gamemode. Where the custom gamemode is Death CTF, and you cannot pass to the other team's side, you can only pass when you have 20 coins, searching underground is very important in this gamemode because you can find certain useful items like the Health-o-meter which allows you to see everybody's health.

Items in Squad (Team) Wars:

1. Health-o-meter (already explained)
2. Camera (You can look through the level and see what others do)
3. Chatting Device (Everytime you find an item you tell in public chat you got that certain item, well this makes you only talk in team chat)
4. Lost Flag (You can get some points using a flag)

You will be able to get those items from chests. Also I can show you some images of the gamemodes.

[Jelly Jam]

Well i for once think the plus team should focus on the Race gamemode. When you join as a spectator and watch a race, there is a countdown 3,2,1 even though you aren't playing, that should be fixed. Also, when you join to a race after it's started, the countdown is useless, since the other players can get somewhere while there is a countdown on your screen.
If you find a way to fix these problems, AND you implement 'em in some future plus update, then i think there should be a custom gamemode: Knockout race. Simple, in every lap, the last player that gets to the warp is out.
Well... I am kinda working on some AngelScripted Gamemodes, I am working on a Survival Gamemode, where you can craft, smelt, collect, mine and there will be certain waves of monsters coming...
Sounds like you're making Minecraft 2D. LOL
EDIT: If you're specific enough about what you need, and don't want to put in the time to do it yourself, it shouldn't be hard to find someone to help.
We're asking you to do it for us cause some of us (me) don't know anything about programming! We can't just 'play' the game in our heads, we need someone to make it FOR us, and that's kinda lame, thus nothing is solved :p.

[Nick1416]

I really like the idea of Knockout Race, maybe this is already possible in Angel Script, I could try something like that when I have the time :P

[Primpy]

I really like the idea of Knockout Race, maybe this is already possible in Angel Script, I could try something like that when I have the time :P
Already possible in Angel Script, already possible in Angel Script. It's all I hear. What if I don't know programming, huh?

[Slaz]

What if I don't know programming, huh?
Then you learn it, like I'm attempting to do. It doesn't seem like you need to become a scriptkiddie in order to utilize AngelScript properly.

[Stijn]

Already possible in Angel Script, already possible in Angel Script. It's all I hear. What if I don't know programming, huh?
AngelScript isn't that difficult, really. There's an extensive manual for it and you can look at existing levels to try and figure out how stuff works. Sure, there's a bit of a learning curve, but once you learn how to use it you can do a lot of cool stuff, including implementation of the ideas you've described in this thread.

I understand the sentiment of "I don't know how to program, so what is JJ2+ doing for me?". But on the other hand, the JJ2+ team only has limited time and motivation. Spending it on features that allow other people to implement whatever game mode or game feature they have in mind is in my opinion the best way to go, rather than (for example) focusing on adding a few specific game modes which would mean other features would never get added at all.

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

I really like the idea of Knockout Race, maybe this is already possible in Angel Script, I could try something like that when I have the time :P
Well... it's somehow possible in Angelscript, but... how can you detect who's the last player?

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Sounds like you're making Minecraft 2D. LOL

Well yeah... something like that...

[Nick1416]

Well... it's somehow possible in Angelscript, but... how can you detect who's the last player?

I haven't fully thought about that yet, but I'll think of something. Perhaps some kind of counter if players enter an area, something like that :p

[Violet CLM]

We're asking you to do it for us cause some of us (me) don't know anything about programming! We can't just 'play' the game in our heads, we need someone to make it FOR us, and that's kinda lame, thus nothing is solved :p.
I don't see the difference. Either someone makes it for you in C++ or someone makes it for you in AngelScript. But the latter you have the opportunity to learn and help out with, if that's important to you. Even if not, you're willing to use tilesets that other people draw; why not scripts that other people write?

[Primpy]

I don't see the difference. Either someone makes it for you in C++ or someone makes it for you in AngelScript. But the latter you have the opportunity to learn and help out with, if that's important to you. Even if not, you're willing to use tilesets that other people draw; why not scripts that other people write?

There's a huge difference between programming and drawing a tileset. No one will be up to give you a hand in making a custom gamemode map, even if he/she likes the idea.

[Nick1416]

There's a huge difference between programming and drawing a tileset. No one will be up to give you a hand in making a custom gamemode map, even if he/she likes the idea.

Well, I don't see the big difference to be honest. The one is good at drawing, the other at coding, the other at level designing. And ofcourse someone would give you a hand if they have time, Foly once helped me with angel script a year ago, and now I'm much better at it. And I like the idea of for example KnockOut Race, and have already coded a bit of it :D . And also try to learn something about programming or drawing yourself, if that's what you need to make something, it's impossible to always rely on others, because they also have to do the things they need to do. But I haven't really seen you directly ask for help, just asking people to do it for you, which is a totally different thing, if you need help in programming, just ask for that, or look at the many scripts to learn from.

[Violet CLM]

The downloads section has various levels including thanks to cooba, SE, Purplejazz (and maybe others I missed) for helping with scripts or writing them entirely. There's a <a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/snippets/">snippets</a> list and a <a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19503">help thread.</a>

[cooba]

I've gone from zero to plusHeaven.j2as in less than a year.

Do yourself a favor, y'all, and learn AngelScript.

[Primpy]

Well, I don't see the big difference to be honest. The one is good at drawing, the other at coding, the other at level designing. And ofcourse someone would give you a hand if they have time, Foly once helped me with angel script a year ago, and now I'm much better at it. And I like the idea of for example KnockOut Race, and have already coded a bit of it :D . And also try to learn something about programming or drawing yourself, if that's what you need to make something, it's impossible to always rely on others, because they also have to do the things they need to do. But I haven't really seen you directly ask for help, just asking people to do it for you, which is a totally different thing, if you need help in programming, just ask for that, or look at the many scripts to learn from.

I'd draw myself if I was talented, I'd program myself if I was inteligent. I posted my ideas here but looks like no one is interested. If someone would agree to try one of my ideas, I can only (attemp to) make a map.

[Primpy]

I've gone from zero to plusHeaven.j2as in less than a year.

Do yourself a favor, y'all, and learn AngelScript.

It's not that easy, you know. How do you expect dumb people like me to script something? That's the reason we need more gamemodes.

[cooba]

It's not that easy, you know.Yes it is. Have you even tried?

[Love & Thunder]

How do you expect dumb people like me to script something? That's the reason we need more gamemodes.
You're only as dumb as you are unwilling to learn. Give AS a try; if you get stuck, consult the documentation. If you still can't get your head around it, ask here.

[Primpy]

Yes it is. Have you even tried?

Should I give it a shot, even if I am 14? For me, even Scratch is hard, and isn't even a serious programming language! >:(

[Primpy]

You're only as dumb as you are unwilling to learn. Give AS a try; if you get stuck, consult the documentation. If you still can't get your head around it, ask here.

Of course, and I bet everyone will jump to help me! *sarcasm*

[Love & Thunder]

Except they will.

[cooba]

Should I give it a shot, even if I am 14?So, you haven't tried.

[Primpy]

Except they will.

They will as they "helped" me finding the beta of JJ2. Thanks to Jelly Jam and ShakerNL, the only people that actually botheted to help me.

[cooba]

They will as they "helped" me finding the beta of JJ2.Nobody here helped you with that, because you were:

- spamming
- ignoring the forum rules
- generally being a dick

There's enough resources to get you started, and even then, asking for help nicely is enough, since there's nothing illegal about that.

You won't magically get smart once you turn 20, so "I'm 14" is not an excuse. You get smart by doing shit.

[Love & Thunder]

You won't magically get smart once you turn 20, so "I'm 14" is not an excuse. You get smart by doing shit.
Precisely. I learned GML when I was 7, so you can learn AS at 14.

[Primpy]

Nobody here helped you with that, because you were:

- spamming
- ignoring the forum rules
- generally being a dick

There's enough resources to get you started, and even then, asking for help nicely is enough, since there's nothing illegal about that.

You won't magically get smart once you turn 20, so "I'm 14" is not an excuse. You get smart by doing shit.

- nope
- nope
- perhaps, depending on the situation

First I asked nicely, but it looked like everybody kept ignoring me. And how is it against the rules to ask the community to send me a link for downloading the game on Skype?

[Primpy]

You won't magically get smart once you turn 20, so "I'm 14" is not an excuse. You get smart by doing shit.

No, I won't get smart in that way. If the age doesn't matter, bother to explain me why can't 7 years old kids start in the 8th grade? They'll do shit in the 8th grade as they do in the 1st grade, but harder.

And if by "doing shit" you mean "taking a crap", I'd be a genius right now. *bad joke*


Bonus ducks.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HUKFN5NPjQ0/0.jpg

[Love & Thunder]

- ignoring the forum rules
- nope
Behaviour according the law. No software should be given out or requested for free without the consent of the owner of that software. Thus things like giving out or requesting for any illegal software is viable for punishment.
EDIT:
No, I won't get smart in that way. If the age doesn't matter, bother to explain me why can't 7 years old kids start in the 8th grade? They'll do shit in the 8th grade as they do in the 1st grade, but harder.
That is entirely different and you know it.

Also, stop posting twice in a row; either edit your first post to be longer, or make your first post longer in the first place.

[Primpy]

...

Still a "nope" from me.

[Love & Thunder]

There's nothing to "Still a nope from me" about; you disobeyed the forum rules, there's no room for subjectivity.

Anyway, this discussion is going off the rails; AS is easy to learn.

[Primpy]

There's nothing to "Still a nope from me" about; you disobeyed the forum rules, there's no room for subjectivity.

Behaviour according the law. No software should be given out or requested for free without the consent of the owner of that software. Thus things like giving out or requesting for any illegal software is viable for punishment. These versions of Jazz Jackrabbit may not be given out: JJ1, JJ2, JJ2: TSF, JJ3 Demo. These can be given out because they are shareware: JJ1 Demo, Holiday Hare '94, Holiday Hare '95, JJ2 Demo, and JJ2: TSF Demo. Furthermore behaving according to the law means no racism. Racism is not allowed according to US law (in which this site's server resides).

Hah, didn't ask for any of these! JJ1, JJ2, JJ2: TSF, etc... I clearly asked for JJ2 v1.00g, which isn't the regular JJ2. Perhaps suggesting adding this version on the list would fix the problem, so I can get banned already? ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Treylina]

I'd draw myself if I was talented..

The majority of artists don't start off that great, unless you're a savant, which is very rare. The sheer majority of "talent" is dedicated learning and practice. That dedicated learning is finding out is looking within the details of what makes art appealing, then trying it out yourself, which will take some practice.

Many artists have a thing where they keep removing old art out of self-consciousness, further adhering to the unrealistic illusion that the majority of people suddenly get talent. I'm tired of it.

You're not convincing anyone by you saying you weren't spamming or constantly breaking the rules.

[Primpy]

The majority of artists don't start off that great, unless you're a savant, which is very rare. The sheer majority of "talent" is dedicated learning and practice. That dedicated learning is finding out is looking within the details of what makes art appealing, then trying it out yourself, which will take some practice.

Many artists have a thing where they keep removing old art out of self-consciousness, further adhering to the unrealistic illusion that the majority of people suddenly get talent. I'm tired of it.

You just don't want to see my awful sketches. Well, since I was a kid I wished to be an artist. I had a friend who was really really talented (I was like 6, he was like 9) and whenever he finished a drawing he used to give it to me. Now I just draw silly stuff on my notebooks whenever I am bored as school, you know, stuff such as Pokemon, monsters, awful attemps to draw Jazz's head, etc. Art is just not for me, even if I wish to draw nicely.

[Nick1416]

Should I give it a shot, even if I am 14? For me, even Scratch is hard, and isn't even a serious programming language! >:(

Well, I totally disagree with you on this. But if you really don't want to try it, then don't, and don't keep acting like "You won't help me anyway". Since we give you enough of idea's on how you could actually achieve what you want, by telling you that you can learn Angel Script easily, or telling you where to look for code snippets and examples etc. And it surely doesn't help to keep telling what you can't do, and therefore we should do instead. But it doesn't work that way, even if we like the idea(there is a possibility we don't) then we don't all have the time to do it for you, just ways to help you and give you hints. And I agree that probably not everyone is gifted and naturally able to program anything, no. Do you think all of the programmers of JJ2+ and angelscripters are geniusses or have the savant syndrome or anything? No, just try not being lazy and expecting too much from people, try it yourself or don't complain. Guess you know that yourself.

[Jelly Jam]

Well just so you know, i was the one asking for things too. And i'm trying to use the codes from other levels for mine :p.
There, unlike Primpy, i'm doing something about it!
And drawing ain't that hard btw, just keep trying! I have some Jazz sketches too, don't know where they are, but they are based on Sonic's head.
P.S
Didn't go to any art school, nor did i find help over the internet about it :p

[Primpy]

Well, I totally disagree with you on this. But if you really don't want to try it, then don't, and don't keep acting like "You won't help me anyway". Since we give you enough of idea's on how you could actually achieve what you want, by telling you that you can learn Angel Script easily, or telling you where to look for code snippets and examples etc. And it surely doesn't help to keep telling what you can't do, and therefore we should do instead. But it doesn't work that way, even if we like the idea(there is a possibility we don't) then we don't all have the time to do it for you, just ways to help you and give you hints. And I agree that probably not everyone is gifted and naturally able to program anything, no. Do you think all of the programmers of JJ2+ and angelscripters are geniusses or have the savant syndrome or anything? No, just try not being lazy and expecting too much from people, try it yourself or don't complain. Guess you know that yourself.

This won't lead to anything good anyway so I'd better stop talking. Plus, this is getting off-topic.

[Primpy]

Well just so you know, i was the one asking for things too. And i'm trying to use the codes from other levels for mine :p.
There, unlike Primpy, i'm doing something about it!
And drawing ain't that hard btw, just keep trying! I have some Jazz sketches too, don't know where they are, but they are based on Sonic's head.
P.S
Didn't go to any art school, nor did i find help over the internet about it :p

It 'aint easy! No talent = Impossible to draw something nice. It's a rule, whatever you guys say.

[Jelly Jam]

It 'aint easy! No talent = Impossible to draw something nice. It's a rule, whatever you guys say.
It's not a rule! Drawing is waaay easier than Angelscript and level making, btw.
Besides, everyone has their own way of drawing! You have your own way too (no, it's not a bad way. Everyone's way of drawing is unique). I'm not THAT good at drawing to say all of this.
I will find my drawings of jazz to prove all of this :p.

[cooba]

Drawing is waaay easier than Angelscript and level making, btw.what

no

[Primpy]

Screw it, I don't even know where to start from.
http://i.imgur.com/LzH8Ciz.png

Also, ".me" is a format or the file has to be deleted?
http://i.imgur.com/a1tRKpo.png

[Primpy]

what

no

Everything is easier than programming. I'd rather become a medic than a programmer.

[Jelly Jam]

what

no
Well it's easier and way more fun than programing imo.
Screw it, I don't even know where to start from.

Same here.

[cooba]

1. Why in the fuck did you download AngelScript off the AngelScript website if JJ2+ already contains it?

2. Is "reading the manual (http://www.jazz2online.com/jj2plus/plus-angelscript.html)" not an immediately obvious option?

[Treylina]

You just don't want to see my awful sketches. Well, since I was a kid I wished to be an artist. I had a friend who was really really talented (I was like 6, he was like 9).

Judging someones art ability from a very young age isn't a good analogy. I can't judge someones ability from words. I've seen parents/teachers rave about how good and "talented" some teens art is, but more often than not, they are mediocre in my eyes. Does that mean I think they can't improve? No, as long they are able to assess what they can improve on.

My art as a 6 year old was typical to other 6 year olds. Around when I was 11 is when I started taking the leap foward, learning shading. When I became 16, I developed the habit of the importance of having references and drawing more angular, and took a large leap in skills again. Doodles without references don't mean much, those are usually from only what you can remember. I think a lot of people who are bad artists simply don't know how to apply good practices, and/or won't bother to practice their weak points, as it is the boring part. Mastering the basics is the most important part to becoming a good artist.

[Primpy]

1. Why in the fuck did you download AngelScript off the AngelScript website if JJ2+ already contains it?

2. Is "reading the manual (http://www.jazz2online.com/jj2plus/plus-angelscript.html)" not an immediately obvious option?

And you said everyone can program.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/thelennyface/images/2/24/Lenny_face.png/revision/latest?cb=20140728000856

[cooba]

And you said everyone can program.I didn't assume I was talking to people who can't read.

[Jelly Jam]

Already built part of the level I talked about earlier.
Also, what's the code for Antigravity? Even if i change one thing in the battle1plus script, the code won't work. I just want to remove the palete shift and music change. Don't laugh at me incase i brought out something that seemed preety obvious.

[Treylina]

It's not a rule! Drawing is waaay easier than Angelscript and level making, btw.

what

no

I find levelmaking and AS harder than drawing, actually.

[cooba]

Even if i change one thing in the battle1plus script, the code won't work.Any error in or outside of any function will prevent any and all AngelScript from running in the level. To get information about such errors, you will need to add a line AngelscriptDebug=True to the [General] group of plus.ini.<!>

[Jelly Jam]

<!>
What the h...
???
Yes, Primpy. You're not the only one who says to yourself that you're dumb.
EDIT: A friend of mine edited the code on how i wanted it to work. Works well in his server, but when i try it out in SP.
Weee an access violation!

[Primpy]

Judging someones art ability from a very young age isn't a good analogy. I can't judge someones ability from words. I've seen parents/teachers rave about how good and "talented" some teens art is, but more often than not, they are mediocre in my eyes. Does that mean I think they can't improve? No, as long they are able to assess what they can improve on.

My art as a 6 year old was typical to other 6 year olds. Around when I was 11 is when I started taking the leap foward, learning shading. When I became 16, I developed the habit of the importance of having references and drawing more angular, and took a large leap in skills again. Doodles without references don't mean much, those are usually from only what you can remember. I think a lot of people who are bad artists simply don't know how to apply good practices, and/or won't bother to practice their weak points, as it is the boring part. Mastering the basics is the most important part to becoming a good artist.

No, you did not understand. That friend of mine was the reason I wanted to become an artist. Since we're talking about art, despite the fact that I'm not good at drawing, I can make nice stuff out of clay. Of course, clay is pretty expensive (at least here) and I can't afford buying a pack unless I put some money aside. Well, this is off-topic so let's better not talk anymore about this.

And if you find my drawings "nice", you're trying to be nice or just rudely lying. http://i.imgur.com/5sFxUqQ.jpg

[Treylina]

Already built part of the level I talked about earlier.
Also, what's the code for Antigravity? Even if i change one thing in the battle1plus script, the code won't work. I just want to remove the palete shift and music change. Don't laugh at me incase i brought out something that seemed preety obvious.

There's a JCS parameter for anti gravity.

"By setting "Var" to 1, the event will turn on and off a reverse gravity mode instead of a no-firing mode"

245=No Fire Zone |+|Area |No Fire|Zone |Set To:2|Var:1

You will need to edit your JCS.ini if you haven't. Just copy and paste that in the 245 column, then find no fire zone in JCS, and change var to 1 and set to as 2.

It's in the plus readme, though. Ctrl + F anti-g then you will find it. So yeah, no AS needed.

[Primpy]

What the h...
???
Yes, Primpy. You're not the only one who says to yourself that you're dumb.
EDIT: A friend of mine edited the code on how i wanted it to work. Works well in his server, but when i try it out in SP.
Weee an access violation!

When I read your post:
http://youtu.be/Hyu0n1pTfhg?t=11s

[Jelly Jam]

And if you find my drawings "nice", you're trying to be nice or just rudely lying. http://i.imgur.com/5sFxUqQ.jpg
Ya kidding? I find this preety nice!
Or it must be my taste.
Well you can gain more drawing skills by reading some comics. I used to read Asterix Comics (http://asterixonline.info/comics/index.php?manga=Asterix_Comics&chapter=01) alot.
EDIT:
There's a JCS parameter for anti gravity.

"By setting "Var" to 1, the event will turn on and off a reverse gravity mode instead of a no-firing mode"

245=No Fire Zone |+|Area |No Fire|Zone |Set To:2|Var:1

You will need to edit your JCS.ini if you haven't. Just copy and paste that in the 245 column, then find no fire zone in JCS, and change var to 1 and set to as 2.

It's in the plus readme, though. Ctrl + F anti-g then you will find it. So yeah, no AS needed.
Thanks!

[Primpy]

I didn't assume I was talking to people who can't read.

Then watch out the next time, since "No Personal Attacks" is a rule. As I was warned for considering Blackrose a faggot (Is a dish, I swear!), word which is considered to mean "gay person" (Which is ironical since she's a girl), you shouldn't tell me I'm analphabet (Even if I am, or not!). Also, what if I suffered of dislexia? Would that still be funny to you, huh?

Average me.

[Love & Thunder]

The thing is, art, level design, and programming are all skills which you get better at with time. And, no matter how bad you are at them, you will always think you're worse than you are(That's my experience anyway).
If you want to be able to do something, just try it. It's as simple as that. If you want to continue complaining about not being intelligent enough or whatever, fine, do that, but you could be spending this time learning to program, instead of wasting it on arguing about how good of an artist you are.

EDIT: Just read Primpy's most recent post... I give up on this conversation.

[Primpy]

Ya kidding? I find this preety nice!
Or it must be my taste.
Well you can gain more drawing skills by reading some comics. I used to read Asterix Comics (http://asterixonline.info/comics/index.php?manga=Asterix_Comics&chapter=01) alot.
EDIT:

Thanks!

I've never been a fan of Asterix and Obelix, even if the movie was nice. Thanks though.

"pretty nice"

[Primpy]

The thing is, art, level design, and programming are all skills which you get better at with time. And, no matter how bad you are at them, you will always think you're worse than you are(That's my experience anyway).
If you want to be able to do something, just try it. It's as simple as that. If you want to continue complaining about not being intelligent enough or whatever, fine, do that, but you could be spending this time learning to program, instead of wasting it on arguing about how good of an artist you are.

Nah, that's just sleeping time I waste. Also, I had enough years of being told how bad I am programming, I don't want this anymore. Since I was 8, I used to go to some free programming courses. The first 2-3 years went pretty well, I think. I used to work on Borland Pascal. I could easily do a program which asks you stuff or asks you for two variables and then it substracts them or stuff like that. When stuff became harder I couldn't keep up with my friends, and after 6 almost pointless years going there I finally gave up. The last 3 years I only went to see my friends and since they were free courses no one cared I wasn't doing anything. Pascal? I failed. HTML? Heck no... I ended up making some crappy Scratch games, and one of them got me two diplomas and a medal. It wasn't even a good game, I don't know how this even happened! It's still online if anyone's curious what am I talking about, but don't expect too much from it...: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/3298477/ Anyways, all these years when I tried to keep up with my pals' programming were wasted years. As always, I went full off-topic. Going to sleep, good night.

[Treylina]

And if you find my drawings "nice", you're trying to be nice or just rudely lying. http://i.imgur.com/5sFxUqQ.jpg

It's not that bad. It's not amazing but from you described it sounded like as if it would be terrible. I was at a relatively similar stage when I was 11 (and my art wasn't that much better when I was 14), but it's truly about the dedication, not age. There have been artists that were worse than you at your age and are really good now.

I'll just leave this here: http://thetuxedos.tumblr.com/post/24544551965/one-of-my-favorite-things-to-do-is-to-go-through

I don't think people are lying when they compliment art of mine I dislike. It mostly comes down to different tastes and standards. I can even post my old crap around when I was 13/14.

And stop double posting, you can edit your posts.

[Primpy]

It's not that bad. It's not amazing but from you described it sounded like as if it would be terrible. I was at a relatively similar stage when I was 11 (and my art wasn't that much better when I was 14), but it's truly about the dedication, not age. There have been artists that were worse than you at your age and are really good now.

I'll just leave this here: http://thetuxedos.tumblr.com/post/24544551965/one-of-my-favorite-things-to-do-is-to-go-through

I don't think people are lying when they compliment art of mine I dislike. It mostly comes down to different tastes and standards. I can even post my old crap around when I was 13/14.

And stop double posting, you can edit your posts.

Well, that's motivational. Sorry for "double posting".

[Stijn]

Please take a deep breath and think before you post.

Primpy, all people are saying that even if you don't understand AngelScript now, surely you'll be able to learn it if you just start trying things out with it. Which I think in general is true and might also be true for you.

If you're convinced that it won't work out for you, well, okay. I agree with the others that probably you'd at least be able to make simple scripts if you tried (especially if you were able to do simple stuff in Pascal), but maybe you think otherwise, that's up to you. Can we leave it at that (this also @ others)? No need to get into inane discussions about whether drawing is harder than programming here.

[Violet CLM]

word which is considered to mean "gay person" (Which is ironical since she's a girl).
what
It's not that easy, you know. How do you expect dumb people like me to script something? That's the reason we need more gamemodes.
So, I stand by my position that there's not a substantial difference between someone making you a feature in C++ vs. someone making you the same feature in AngelScript. Depending on the feature in question, one will be <em>easier</em> than the other, but it's still someone else doing the coding. You state your misgivings that anyone would write AS code for you (though I don't see why the same misgivings don't apply to C++), and that's understandable, but I do reiterate that there are various examples of collaborations in the downloads section, and the AngelScript Requests & Help thread has <a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=483373&postcount=137">cases</a> of code being provided for specific requests.

What I think you have to understand here is that people--on this forum, and also elsewhere--are more inclined to lend advice or other help to someone who's already gotten started. If you have an idea for something, it helps if you show you've already done some of the work, and it's just this specific issue or this specific bug or whatever that you could use help with. But conversation in this thread has gotten pretty heated on both sides, and without at least waiting for things to calm down a bit, this may not be the place for you to get that help right now.

But you posted a screenshot showing that you downloaded AngelScript from its website! That's awesome! It didn't happen to be the correct thing to do, but that's a mistake I've definitely made myself (with a different framework) and it shows a very admirable willingness to give it a try, especially after your past negative experiences with programming. Good try.

As it happens, though, getting started with JJ2+'s AS implementation is much simpler than that, and takes only a text editor. For instance, try creating a file named "Castle1.j2as". Paste the following into the file:
void onLevelLoad() {
jjPalette.load("Damn1.j2t");
jjPalette.apply();
}
Then run the level (in JJ2+). Does the specific result look good? Not especially. But that tiny bit of structure, that single <code>onLevelLoad</code> declaration, is all you need to get some code running, followed by any number of further additions. No massive additional downloads or anything like that.

If this forum environment isn't working for you, I'd be happy to chat with you over Skype or some other IM client of your choice and talk you through getting started until you feel more comfortable with the language. Even if you don't end up an AS master--and I completely understand that different people find different subjects difficult, e.g. I would never want to try making my own music, but other people find it much easier than stuff that I personally have no problem with--just being able to write <em>some</em> code will make other people that much more willing to help you out with <em>specific</em> questions.

So if you'd be interested in chatting, let me know. I've got nothing scheduled today. But the reality, unfortunate or not, is that features that <em>can</em> be implemented in AS are less likely to be implemented directly in JJ2+ at this point, because that's in part why we added AS in the first place. (Gamemodes are admittedly somewhere in-between, because there's not currently a working framework for true custom gamemodes in AS, but you can come pretty close... stuff like Bank Robbery and Assassination only took JCS, after all!)


(@Jelly Jam: Would you mind taking further questions to the Requests & Help thread instead? This thread here is broad enough it's hard to accuse it of getting exactly "off-topic," but that thread is <em>devoted</em> to AS questions, and people will visit it (or not) with that idea already in mind, and besides, posting in it makes other people more likely to remember that it exists, leading to more discourse, etc.!)

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Should I give it a shot, even if I am 14? For me, even Scratch is hard, and isn't even a serious programming language! >:(

What if I tell you I am just 11 and go here on the snippets page of JJ2+: Snippets (http://www.jazz2online.com/snippets/). And you can see I made some snippets, most of the code I made by myself, I just got a little bit of help from my brother.

[Primpy]

So, I stand by my position that there's not a substantial difference between someone making you a feature in C++ vs. someone making you the same feature in AngelScript. [...] So if you'd be interested in chatting, let me know. I've got nothing scheduled today. But the reality, unfortunate or not, is that features that <em>can</em> be implemented in AS are less likely to be implemented directly in JJ2+ at this point, because that's in part why we added AS in the first place. (Gamemodes are admittedly somewhere in-between, because there's not currently a working framework for true custom gamemodes in AS, but you can come pretty close... stuff like Bank Robbery and Assassination only took JCS, after all!)

Thanks for the offer! However, the next 3-4 weeks I'll be busy because they're the last school days of this semester (or half-year, I dont know how you call it in English) and I will be pretty much busy everyday, even on weekends. Add me on Skype (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/sendmessage.php?do=im&type=skype&u=25603) so whenever I feel like asking you a question about anything I will. If I get some free time, I'll attemp programming something, or I don't know, at least to know how AngelScript works. I'm still wondering what's the purpose of that "delete.me" file.

What if I tell you I am just 11 and go here on the snippets page of JJ2+: Snippets (http://www.jazz2online.com/snippets/). And you can see I made some snippets, most of the code I made by myself, I just got a little bit of help from my brother.

Then you must be some kind of genius, because as I said in my previous posts I was (awfully) programming when I was 11 too. Or you could also be lying, and that "little bit of help" from your brother could be a slightly larger help. Lying or not, good for you.

[Violet CLM]

I'm not on Skype regularly. This would be more a prescheduled thing if the forums weren't working out for you as a medium. But good luck with your school!

The actual contents of the delete.me file:
This file is only here to guarantee that unpackers don't skip creating the /lib directory.
That's pretty much it. The /lib directory comes (otherwise) empty because users are expected to build a new angelscript.lib file into it themselves, but it's important that it exist already when that happens, so a junk file is included just in case. But again, <em>you need absolutely nothing from that download.</em> Delete it. That's only for if you want to rebuild plus.dll, which you don't. All <em>you</em> need is JJ2+ and a text editor for .j2as files&mdash;preferably Notepad++.

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Then you must be some kind of genius, because as I said in my previous posts I was (awfully) programming when I was 11 too. Or you could also be lying, and that "little bit of help" from your brother could be a slightly larger help. Lying or not, good for you.

I am not lying.. I just read about 100 pages of a book for programming in C++. I learned a lot from that. I really didn't know what I was doing in AngelScript on Jazz 2 before on reading that 100 pages of the book, I think the book has about 400 pages.

[Primpy]

I am not lying.. I just read about 100 pages of a book for programming in C++. I learned a lot from that. I really didn't know what I was doing in AngelScript on Jazz 2 before on reading that 100 pages of the book, I think the book has about 400 pages. And to do not make it any longer, if you want to reply on this, just reply and I will not reply to your next reply... also believe what ever you want.

Good for you then.

if you want to reply on this, just reply and I will not reply to your next reply...

Wat.

[Primpy]

I'm not on Skype regularly. This would be more a prescheduled thing if the forums weren't working out for you as a medium. But good luck with your school!

The actual contents of the delete.me file:

That's pretty much it. The /lib directory comes (otherwise) empty because users are expected to build a new angelscript.lib file into it themselves, but it's important that it exist already when that happens, so a junk file is included just in case. But again, <em>you need absolutely nothing from that download.</em> Delete it. That's only for if you want to rebuild plus.dll, which you don't. All <em>you</em> need is JJ2+ and a text editor for .j2as files&mdash;preferably Notepad++.

Thanks for wishing me good luck, I'll do my best (hopefully).

I already understood that my download had no purpose, I deleted the downloaded files already. I was just wondering if that thing had a purpose or it's just a format I never heard of.

Probabily I'll start attemping to do something is this AngelScript "thingy" this weekend, but I'm afraid I'm going to fail.

[Jelly Jam]

I just read about 100 pages of a book for programming in C++.
If that helped you, then i should learn C++ from a site i found.
Also Primpy STOP DOUBLE POSTING. LOL

[Primpy]

If that helped you, then i should learn C++ from a site i found.
Also Primpy STOP DOUBLE POSTING. LOL

I am on my mobile. Not only that it takes a lot to type something, but I don't know how to copy-paste.

As it happens, though, getting started with JJ2+'s AS implementation is much simpler than that, and takes only a text editor. For instance, try creating a file named "Castle1.j2as". Paste the following into the file:

void onLevelLoad() {
jjPalette.load("Damn1.j2t");
jjPalette.apply();
}

Then run the level (in JJ2+). Does the specific result look good? Not especially. But that tiny bit of structure, that single <code>onLevelLoad</code> declaration, is all you need to get some code running, followed by any number of further additions.

It may not look good aesthetically, but it's something!

[Jelly Jam]

It may not look good aesthetically, but it's something!
I find this code actually brilliant. Edited it a bit, and I got a winter version of Diamond Dust!

[Primpy]

I find this code actually brilliant. Edited it a bit, and I got a winter version of Diamond Dust!

I need to see this!

[Marijn]

The only way to learn something is to shut up and do it, anyone can do anything, there is always someone quicker or better, who cares just do it, you cant learn chinese not doing it, and I heard 3 years doing it.

Most of the time people just make a random excuse to do nothing... And thats weird, you dont need an excuse to do nothing. Being surrounded by these assholes gives the illusion you cant either. You need to tosh these people out of your life, there useless, dont always trust yourself either, just do things a couple of times before getting sure if something is to hard/easy/boring, silence that stupid voice inside telling you that... And you notice after a couple of months doing that things will stick. The hardest part is to shut up and do it.

Don't think... Feel!

[Primpy]

Q: How can I add more than one "snippet" in the .j2as file of the level?

I started reading some of the codes, maybe I'll understand something ._.

[Violet CLM]

Snippets are not specially defined units of any kind, they're just the bare minimum amount of code needed to fulfill one function or another. Say you're looking at Snippet A:
void onPlayer(jjPLAYER@ play) {
doSomething(); //abstraction; obviously there is no built-in function with this name, so it'd have to be defined elsewhere in the file
}
and Snippet B:
void onPlayer(jjPLAYER@ play) {
doSomethingElse();
}
then you "add more than one snippet" by writing:
void onPlayer(jjPLAYER@ play) {
doSomething();
doSomethingElse();
}

[Primpy]

Snippets are not specially defined units of any kind, they're just the bare minimum amount of code needed to fulfill one function or another. Say you're looking at Snippet A:
void onPlayer(jjPLAYER@ play) {
doSomething(); //abstraction; obviously there is no built-in function with this name, so it'd have to be defined elsewhere in the file
}
and Snippet B:
void onPlayer(jjPLAYER@ play) {
doSomethingElse();
}
then you "add more than one snippet" by writing:
void onPlayer(jjPLAYER@ play) {
doSomething();
doSomethingElse();
}

I see. I'll try to do that later. Thanks :p

[Primpy]

Ok, I obviously made a mistake, but I don't know where did I go wrong. I just tried to add the "Fall Damage" and "Wall Jumping" snippets. Argh, I don't even know how to modify two scripts.

int jumpKey = 0;
int fallTimer = 0;
const double maxFallTime = 4;

void onMain() {
jjPLAYER@ p = jjLocalPlayers[0];
p.ammo[2] = 3;
if (p.keyJump == true) {
jumpKey = jumpKey+1;
} else {
jumpKey = 0;
}

if (jjMaskedPixel(p.xPos + (p.direction * 13), p.yPos) && p.keyJump == true && jumpKey < 3) {
p.ySpeed = -10;
p.direction = p.direction * (-1);
p.xSpeed = p.direction * 5;
// && p.ySpeed < 0
}

if (jjMaskedPixel(p.xPos + 13, p.yPos) && p.ySpeed > 0 && p.keyRight == true) {
p.ySpeed = 1;
p.alreadyDoubleJumped = false;
}
if (jjMaskedPixel(p.xPos - 13, p.yPos) && p.ySpeed > 0 && p.keyLeft == true) {
p.ySpeed = 1;
p.alreadyDoubleJumped = false;
}

int fallTimer = 0;
const double maxFallTime = 4;

void onMain() {
if (!jjMaskedPixel(p.xPos, p.yPos + 32) && p.ySpeed > 0) {
fallTimer++;
} else if (jjMaskedPixel(p.xPos, p.yPos + 32)) {
int repeats = (fallTimer / 70) / maxFallTime;
if (fallTimer >= maxFallTime) {
for (int i = 0; i < (fallTimer / 70) / maxFallTime; i++) {
p.health = p.health - 1;
if (p.health < 0) p.health = 0;
}
}
fallTimer = 0;
}
if (p.health == 0) {
fallTimer = 0;
}
}

AngelScript reminds me a little bit about LUA, but LUA was slightly easier, or at least on Roblox. Don't judge the Roblox players, it takes a lot of time to do a decent game and you need to know both modeling and programming...

[Love & Thunder]

Until about a year or two ago, I used Game Maker, so no judgement here.

Also, I think you should try using this thread instead: http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19503&page=4

[Primpy]

Until about a year or two ago, I used Game Maker, so no judgement here.

Also, I think you should try using this thread instead: http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19503&page=4

Ahh, Game Maker. Good memories. Whenever I visited a friend of mine, he was trying to do stuff in it and I used to give him tips for how a game should look like. We sucked, but it was fun xD

Aaand we're off-topic.

[Violet CLM]

Also, I think you should try using this thread instead: http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19503&page=4
Yes. That is the right thread. This is the wrong thread.

(Though to begin: what error message do you get in the chatlog when you try to run that script? I can see at least one thing you're doing wrong, which you should be able to fix if you look at the three code blocks in my last post. Don't reply here, reply in the other thread.)

[GoldRabbit]

One question: seeing as morphing into birds has been improved, would it be possible to also use some animations such as that of the standing bird (when you're not flying) and its corresponding idle frames?

On that note, as you already know, there are also unused animations for bees, Lori, or even Eva jumping when someone scores in CTF (and so on). I'm sure there are bigger priorities right now, but I'm just curious as to whether it would actually be possible to restore them to the way they were meant to be used.

[Primpy]

One question: seeing as morphing into birds has been improved, would it be possible to also use some animations such as that of the standing bird (when you're not flying) and its corresponding idle frames?

On that note, as you already know, there are also unused animations for bees, Lori, or even Eva jumping when someone scores in CTF (and so on). I'm sure there are bigger priorities right now, but I'm just curious as to whether it would actually be possible to restore them to the way they were meant to be used.

You're right, a standing animation for Hip Hop would be a great thing, since it's kinda odd to see it flapping its wings at 1 cm away from the ground. I don't think Lori has more than one unused animation, but it's not that important and doesn't look really good. Unused animations for bees? Are you talking about the smaller bee which wasn't added in-game or there are some animations of the actual bee that weren't used? And yeah, jumping Eva would look nice in CTF. It's not nice to see her standing there bored...

Also, a general question: I swear I saw once Jazz shooting upwards while using the helicopter ears. How? :confused:

[Violet CLM]

All those things are possible and fairly straightforward, though potentially tedious, particularly Lori. <!--She is, after all, a bori.-->

Shooting upwards with helicopter ears: mouse aim, presumably?

[Primpy]

All those things are possible and fairly straightforward, though potentially tedious, particularly Lori. <!--She is, after all, a bori.-->

Shooting upwards with helicopter ears: mouse aim, presumably?

No, I swear I saw Jazz using helicopter ears and shooting upwards with an animation, not with the normal one. I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw that happening...

Lori 'aint a bori, Lori's nice.

[Jelly Jam]

I don't think Lori has more than one unused animation, but it's not that important and doesn't look really good. Unused animations for bees?
There is a frame that's missing in the crouch animation for lori. Also when Lori crouches to give the other player a boost, her animation is a few tiles right, this was in the original TSF, however. So plus didn't break this.
And by unused animations for bees, I think he didn't mean those small ones. I think he meant the animations of big bees turning around.
Also, a general question: I swear I saw once Jazz shooting upwards while using the helicopter ears. How? :confused:
I once saw this too. Lemme explain.
If you sit down at the main menu for 10 seconds there's a demo of the game. In that demo, the animations are broken (but in the original version this is fine, did jj2+ break this?) and i remember seeing an animation of jazz shooting up while in the air as the replacement of the copter special move. If this isn't what you saw, please explain!
EDIT: Primpy it's also weird too see the bird flying left and right while above the ground 1cm. there's no animation of the bird walking, therefore, it would look kinda odd if it was on it's feet only if it stood perfectly STILL. So i think the bird flying while standing should be kept :p.

[Treylina]

On that note, as you already know, there are also unused animations for bees, Lori, or even Eva jumping when someone scores in CTF (and so on). I'm sure there are bigger priorities right now, but I'm just curious as to whether it would actually be possible to restore them to the way they were meant to be used.

The Eva scoring animation got added to 5.0, though the missing Lori crouch frames are yet to be implemented. Those probably won't come until the next version of plus, but I'm not sure if the trivial ones will be fixed (like the swinging and the idling where she's supposed to pop out her gun)

No, I swear I saw Jazz using helicopter ears and shooting upwards with an animation, not with the normal one. I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw that happening...


I've looked in Jazz Sprite Dynamite, both 1.23 TSF and found no sprites of Jazz using copter ears shooting upwards. There is an unused sprite of Jazz shooting upwards in midair without copter ears in 1.23, however.

So you'll have to show to prove me otherwise. "I swear I saw it!" doesn't suffice as an argument. Sometimes people see something that isn't actually there.

If you don't mean that, then it's either messed up sprites or mouse aim is on.

[Jelly Jam]

If you sit down at the main menu for 10 seconds there's a demo of the game. In that demo, the animations are broken (but in the original version this is fine, did jj2+ break this?) and i remember seeing an animation of jazz shooting up while in the air as the replacement of the copter special move.
So, can someone see if i'm not the only one who has this bug? Can someone test this in their JJ2 and tell me what THEY saw?
EDIT: Tested this out in both plused and nonplused version of TSF. Both have messed up animations, so it's seems this is just my problem...

[Love & Thunder]

Isn't one of Lori's idle animations broken aswell?
(IIRC, it's that a few frames from the middle of the one with the mirror are skipped)
In that demo, the animations are broken (but in the original version this is fine, did jj2+ break this?)
In my LK Avalon copy of TSF, the animations are broken, so it wasn't plus that broke it. As I haven't played 1.23 in over ten years, I can't remember if it was broken in that version, but I'm pretty sure it worked in 1.20.

[Jelly Jam]

Isn't one of Lori's idle animations broken aswell?
(IIRC, it's that a few frames from the middle of the one with the mirror are skipped)

In my LK Avalon copy of TSF, the animations are broken, so it wasn't plus that broke it. As I haven't played 1.23 in over ten years, I can't remember if it was broken in that version, but I'm pretty sure it worked in 1.20.
Worked in 1.22 aswell.
Also, what i said about the lori animation being a few tiles right, it's only one tile right.

[Love & Thunder]

Interesting. Oh also...
No, I swear I saw Jazz using helicopter ears and shooting upwards with an animation, not with the normal one. I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw that happening...
Are you sure he was using the helicopter ears? Because I know there is a sprite in one of the versions of the game where he's shooting upwards while falling, but not while helicoptering.

[Jelly Jam]

Again, i'm saying, it's a pure quincidince(or how do you spell it). Cause in my broken demo, he USES the heliopter ears with the shoot up animation, which is odd because i don't remember the TSF library having the 'shooting up while in air' animations.
Also, it could be also possible that primpy was playing the GBA Jazz. LOL

[Treylina]

Isn't one of Lori's idle animations broken aswell?
(IIRC, it's that a few frames from the middle of the one with the mirror are skipped)
.
I'm not sure. It just looks like the FPS got lowered so it appears choppier. Theres also a small chance it'll go as fast as the one in JSD (which is hard to check since it's so rare). Her default idle animation also has a slower FPS. Though you can speed up her default idle animation by going to an edge.

But the one where she's meant to pop out a gun is broken for sure.

Would be nice if there was a better J2A viewer/editor than JSD, where you could also adjust the FPS. It would more easily show whether it's actual missing frames or just slowed down.

Also, what i said about the lori animation being a few tiles right, it's only one tile right.
Almost, but not quite. If it was completely one tile right, going beside a wall to the right would make her appear as if she's completely stuck inside a tile.

Cause in my broken demo, he USES the heliopter ears with the shoot up animation, which is odd because i don't remember the TSF library having the 'shooting up while in air' animations.
Pics or it didnt happen. Take a screenshot with print screen and paste it into MSpaint.

Macros are notoriously buggy when it comes to TSF, though (yes thats what the those little demos are called).

[Jelly Jam]

I can't seem to upload pictures from my PC to this site.
Perhaps a 'browse computer' option when posting pictures here? :PPPPPP

[GoldRabbit]

I can't seem to upload pictures from my PC to this site.
Perhaps a 'browse computer' option when posting pictures here? :PPPPPP
Use imgur or something and paste the link here.
Also, what you're seing may also be just the sprite of Jazz shooting upwards while hanging from a vine.

[Jelly Jam]

http://i.imgur.com/Zt0YW7x.png
Yes, he nearly fell into the water. My timing fault.
But he's using copter ears here
EDIT:
Other interesting photos
http://i.imgur.com/NEwvUNb.png
http://i.imgur.com/5AKrkH6.png
http://i.imgur.com/taL3t0Y.png

[GoldRabbit]

http://i.imgur.com/Zt0YW7x.png
Yes, he nearly fell into the water. My timing fault.
But he's using copter ears here
EDIT:
Other interesting photos
http://i.imgur.com/NEwvUNb.png
http://i.imgur.com/5AKrkH6.png
http://i.imgur.com/taL3t0Y.png

I've edited the post to make the photos show up. Remove the [img] tags, they won't help here, since the links don't lead directly to the image, or add "i." after http:// and .png at the end. I've managed to see the pictures, though, and my prediction was correct, the animation is, erroneously, that of Jazz shooting upwards while hanging from a vine.

[Treylina]

http://i.imgur.com/Zt0YW7x.png
Yes, he nearly fell into the water. My timing fault.
But he's using copter ears here


As I expected, it's just a mess of sprites. He's not coptering while shooting up. That first one is actually the shooting up while on vine sprite.

I can't believe you actually thought that. There is no copter ears displayed above his head nor actual ammo coming out (I know he's using copter ears, but like I said the sprites are bugged), and all other sprites displayed were incorrect, so what would make the first one correct?

I put the macros from 1.23 into my TSF. EDIT: It happens in vanilla TSF (and maybe in older versions of plus), but the sprites are displayed correctly in TSF plus (or 5.0, at least).

[Love & Thunder]

I can confirm that macros are broken in TSF+ 4.3.
But the one where she's meant to pop out a gun is broken for sure.
Ah, that'll be the one I'm thinking of.
Although the other stuff about the mirror thing is interesting.

[Primpy]

Again, i'm saying, it's a pure quincidince(or how do you spell it). Cause in my broken demo, he USES the heliopter ears with the shoot up animation, which is odd because i don't remember the TSF library having the 'shooting up while in air' animations.
Also, it could be also possible that primpy was playing the GBA Jazz. LOL

GBA Jazz? I'll never play that abomination.
*coincidence

http://i.imgur.com/Zt0YW7x.png
Yes, he nearly fell into the water. My timing fault.
But he's using copter ears here
EDIT:
Other interesting photos

Yep, I think this is what I mistook with shooting upwards while using helicopter ears...


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Seriously, I have to record how bad the demo is in JJ2+ and upload it on Youtube. It's just hilarious!

[Love & Thunder]

GBA Jazz? I'll never play that abomination.
Apparently, it was actually a pretty good GBA platformer.
Seriously, I have to record how bad the demo is in JJ2+ and upload it on Youtube. It's just hilarious!
Already a thing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHStO3Q0Q6s)

[Seren]

There's nothing wrong with macros^{[citation needed]} other than incompatibility between JJ2 versions that contain different numbers of player animations, reasons for which I thought would be obvious. TSF was originally distributed with the same j2m files as 1.23 and it's nowhere near a recent discovery that they show wrong animations. Macros should be recorded and replayed in the same version of JJ2 to avoid experiencing problems brought up in the recent posts. There's nothing JJ2+ changed about macros. It would be possible for JJ2+ to implement compatibility between different versions of macros but it's of low priority.

[Primpy]

Apparently, it was actually a pretty good GBA platformer.

Already a thing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHStO3Q0Q6s)

Pretty good? The map is terrible, too much chat, chameleons suck, carrot grenades - are you kidding me?, the jumping is bad, there is fall damage and so on. It's terrible compared to JJ1 or JJ2.

[Love & Thunder]

I didn't say it was a good Jazz game, I said it was a pretty good GBA platformer. As in, for a GBA platformer, it's pretty fun. Apparently.

Anyway, I haven't played it(Well, maybe once a long time ago), so this is just based off of what I've heard.

[Jelly Jam]

As I expected, it's just a mess of sprites. He's not coptering while shooting up. That first one is actually the shooting up while on vine sprite.

I can't believe you actually thought that. There is no copter ears displayed above his head nor actual ammo coming out (I know he's using copter ears, but like I said the sprites are bugged), and all other sprites displayed were incorrect, so what would make the first one correct?

I put the macros from 1.23 into my TSF. EDIT: It happens in vanilla TSF (and maybe in older versions of plus), but the sprites are displayed correctly in TSF plus (or 5.0, at least).
For god's sake. I didn't say he's shooting up while coptering. I just said he uses that sprite WHILE coptering.

[Stijn]

For god's sake. I didn't say he's shooting up while coptering. I just said he uses that sprite WHILE coptering.
Which is pure coincidence, as the sprites don't correspond to the movements. TSF shows macros recorded in 1.23 with the wrong sprites, and this just happened to display while Jazz was coptering.

It's the sprite for shooting up while hanging on a vine, by the way. There's no copter ears in there. Nothing to see here really :)

I liked Jazz GBA, by the way. It's a fairly grating departure from Jazz's signature style and its story, but as a standalone game it's not bad. I found carrot grenades to be a lot of fun especially.

[Primpy]

I liked Jazz GBA, by the way. It's a fairly grating departure from Jazz's signature style and its story, but as a standalone game it's not bad. I found carrot grenades to be a lot of fun especially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2NmkMaLso

Space Bunny: The defender of the *ahem* galaxy.

[Love & Thunder]

Primpy, if someone likes something, it's usually not nice to criticise it at them.

Anyway, I think we're getting off-topic.

[Jelly Jam]

Which is pure coincidence, as the sprites don't correspond to the movements. TSF shows macros recorded in 1.23 with the wrong sprites, and this just happened to display while Jazz was coptering.

It's the sprite for shooting up while hanging on a vine, by the way. There's no copter ears in there. Nothing to see here really :)

I liked Jazz GBA, by the way. It's a fairly grating departure from Jazz's signature style and its story, but as a standalone game it's not bad. I found carrot grenades to be a lot of fun especially.
You didn't understand. I didn't say there's copter ears in that sprite, i just thought that was the sprite of jazz shooting up while falling. It can be found in the 1.23 library.

[Treylina]

You didn't understand. I didn't say there's copter ears in that sprite, i just thought that was the sprite of jazz shooting up while falling. It can be found in the 1.23 library.

This sounds easy to misinterpret;
he USES the heliopter ears with the shoot up animation

And yes, I know the shooting up while falling sprites can be found in the 1.23 library, as I said that in an earlier post;
There is an unused sprite of Jazz shooting upwards in midair without copter ears in 1.23, however.

From what SE said, it appears the 5.0 animation fix was indirect (or Violet fixed it and no one noticed).

Anyway, lets move onto something else. There's nothing new to say about it anymore.

[Violet CLM]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2q2iulv.png
look I got you something else to talk about

[Love & Thunder]

Wow, a new edit of Dean's tileset! :D

[Treylina]

Wow, a new edit of Dean's tileset! :D

Uhm.... (http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/4172/-/)

[Jelly Jam]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2q2iulv.png
look I got you something else to talk about
I don't see what's so special about this.

[Primpy]

I don't see what's so special about this.

"How dare you" is non-content? It's a pretty accurate answer. This is the reason J2O needs a chatbox!

Anyway, what don't you find fascinating about this map? The map ambient looks great, the colors are matching and the tileset is done very well. Also, the flying shoes are something new I'm really curious about.

[cooba]

hey, just realised that I made that level

[Primpy]

hey, just realised that I made that level

Uh? Do you mean this level is already done by you? "just realised" - How can you look at the picture of your level and not recognize that is your level? Anyway, maybe Violet is trying to "plusify" it or something like that?

[Violet CLM]

Treylina posted a link to both the tileset and the specific level. You may have better results if you try running the level yourselves and see how it looks different from in that screenshot.

[Love & Thunder]

Uhm.... (http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/4172/-/)
I was joking(Although, I will admit, the joke was a bit obtuse).
I don't see what's so special about this.
Look at the fog.

[Stijn]

Due to low content of the current discussion and people constantly going off-topic I'm closing this thread until there's proper JJ2+ news to talk about.

For AngelScript questions (and only AngelScript questions), use this thread (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19503). For other JJ2+-related questions, feel free to open a new one.

Well done, all!

[Violet CLM]

JJ2+ version 5.0 is coming soon. I know we keep saying that, but the thing is, it gets a little more true every time! So I'm tentatively&mdash;tentatively!&mdash; reopening this thread and we'll all see what happens, shall we?

Here's a new baffling teaser screenshot for you to enjoy in the meantime:
<a href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-2-plus/images/super-toaster" title="Super Toaster - Mod DB" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/23/22047/thumb_620x2000/Jazz2-weaponBunny-000.png" alt="Super Toaster" width="560" /></a>

[AvalancheMaster]

Looks promising.

[Primpy]

Oh heck yes, I'm so damn curious to see what's new!

[Jelly Jam]

reopening this thread and we'll all see what happens, shall we?
Hooray! More off topic conversations! :D

Here's a new baffling teaser screenshot for you to enjoy in the meantime:
<a href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-2-plus/images/super-toaster" title="Super Toaster - Mod DB" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/23/22047/thumb_620x2000/Jazz2-weaponBunny-000.png" alt="Super Toaster" width="560" /></a>
Dat toaster... OMFG, I NEED TO HAVE THIS! 8D

EDIT: I believe there is also ANOTHER teaser screenshot on ModB that some JCFers don't know about ;)

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

JJ2+ version 5.0 is coming soon. I know we keep saying that, but the thing is, it gets a little more true every time! So I'm tentatively&mdash;tentatively!&mdash; reopening this thread and we'll all see what happens, shall we?

Here's a new baffling teaser screenshot for you to enjoy in the meantime:
<a href="http://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-2-plus/images/super-toaster" title="Super Toaster - Mod DB" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/23/22047/thumb_620x2000/Jazz2-weaponBunny-000.png" alt="Super Toaster" width="560" /></a>

You of course always hide something when hovering with the cursor over the picture. And it says Super Toaster.

EDIT: Also I smell something interesting about this pic. Maybe... ummm... Angelscript on Tileset?
EDIT 2: When did he added this: http://i.imgur.com/euN87iD.png
EDIT 3: Pls give me an approximate release date :)

[SAMI]

That toaster!!

Make it Burn Dem.

If the effects of the toaster is like that can be seen visually from here, muhuhahahahahaah. Burn it all.

[Toni_]

That toaster!!

Make it Burn Dem.

Make a level. With weed. And skrillex's song. And super toaster. And dizzy screen. And Far Cry 5 confirmed.

[SAMI]

I have actually plans for making a tileset of that. Glad to see I'm not the only one who plays Far Cry here.

[Jelly Jam]

Monster i believe a pick where people noticed that the player's gun has the same color as the gun animation was posted before. You don't have to make us notice ;)

[Primpy]

Is the Super Toaster supposed to be an upgraded version of the upgraded Toaster (like an upgrade of an upgrade/like a Pokemon's mega evolution)? Also, what's up with the upgraded Freezer ammo in this pic? Is it related to the Super Toaster or just a coincidence that it was in its shooting range?

http://i.imgur.com/8oj738C.png

Also please leak more pics.
THE HYPE IS REAL.

Edit: Sweet sarsaparilla, the 1000th post on this thread! :D

[Violet CLM]

Also, what's up with the upgraded Freezer ammo in this pic? Is it related to the Super Toaster or just a coincidence that it was in its shooting range
Unfortunate coincidence. I noticed after the picture was taken that the ammo was there and looked fairly similar to the toaster (thanks, sprite palette), but successive attempts to take screenshots in other areas didn't end up with such a perfect toaster spread, so eventually I gave up.

[Primpy]

Unfortunate coincidence. I noticed after the picture was taken that the ammo was there and looked fairly similar to the toaster (thanks, sprite palette), but successive attempts to take screenshots in other areas didn't end up with such a perfect toaster spread, so eventually I gave up.

Well, it would've been ridiculous to shoot ice while shooting fire xP
Any other weapons have been changed in the next version?

[XxMoNsTeRXM]

Is the Super Toaster supposed to be an upgraded version of the upgraded Toaster (like an upgrade of an upgrade/like a Pokemon's mega evolution)? Also, what's up with the upgraded Freezer ammo in this pic? Is it related to the Super Toaster or just a coincidence that it was in its shooting range?

http://i.imgur.com/8oj738C.png

Also please leak more pics.
THE HYPE IS REAL.

Edit: Sweet sarsaparilla, the 1000th post on this thread! :D

Maybe Super Toaster = Upgraded Toaster + Upgraded Ice
Combined weapons :)

Unfortunate coincidence. I noticed after the picture was taken that the ammo was there and looked fairly similar to the toaster (thanks, sprite palette), but successive attempts to take screenshots in other areas didn't end up with such a perfect toaster spread, so eventually I gave up.

Ummm... nvm... but it's still an idea. :)

[Primpy]

Maybe Super Toaster = Upgraded Toaster + Upgraded Ice
Combined weapons

Oh damn, I never thought of mixing two weapons! That would be just damn awesome! Also, if that would be real, the Super Toaster would match perfectly with "Hell Freezes Over" level.

I think this can be done with AngelScript. I think.