Heya,

I and Jippo really found that new girl on jj2, Gremio a bit strange. She was too good in DW, she knew too much about the history of jj2 etc.
Well, then Jippo was almost kicked outta CC cuz of things he had said to Gremio.
We really suspected Gremio to be CraccoBoy but we couldnt prove (yet).
Then sunday evening came. Gremio wanted to leave jj2 for ever, at once. Why? We wouldnt know but I think CB was finding it becoming too dangerous.
Time for action.....

WE went checkeing lotsof IP's but CB was smart enought to or use his modem when he was pretending to be Gremio instead of his @home calble, or send e-mails from school isntead of home.
Ofcourse we dint stop searching and we found out (With some help of Newspaz TF) that Cb uses Zonnet for hs cable, and ofcourse Gremio did that too. Well, suspicious huh?

Ok, so we, I and Jippo were waiting for the moment that CB would make a mistake and use his cable @home connection with the name Gremio.... We couldnt wait for long, atleast, Jippo wanted to wait some longer but I didnt so I asked CB if he was Gremio head to head. Guess what, instead of denying this accusation he says HE wasnt Gremio, but his little brother was.

ANd yes, he has a little Brother. But, according to Jippo he wouldnt ever play a game such as jj2, he barely touches a computer.... So it should be CB himself, and if he wasnt. IT was still a sick joke of him cuz what is the difference between his brother and him?

well, for the Dutch under us. Here is the log where CB says that "His Brother" was Gremio:

13:06:08) (@[CC]Stiletto) hmm Craccie ik en 2 andere lui d8en dat jij Gremio was.. klopt dat?
(13:06:09) (@[CC]Stiletto) ^_^
(13:06:13) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) nee
(13:06:15) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) me broertje
(13:06:32) (@[CC]Stiletto) hmm
(13:06:33) (@[CC]Stiletto) ?
(13:06:40) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ik op PC, hij op laptop
(13:06:56) (@[CC]Stiletto) sure
(13:07:19) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ja hoe kunnen gremio en craccoboy anders 2 verschillende IPs hebben in een Jj2 server en tegelijk chatten en spelen? :P
(13:07:37) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ik vroeg hem es of hij me wou helpen met een plan en dat wou ie
(13:07:39) (@[CC]Stiletto) ja wisten we al.. kabel en modem
(13:07:42) (@[CC]Stiletto) plan?
(13:08:17) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) plan om erachter te komen waar die anti-CC dingen vandaan kwamen en we kwamen er dus achter dat het ironlight was :P
(13:08:19) (@[CC]Stiletto) paar lui voor gek zetten = plan?
(13:08:25) (@[CC]Stiletto) lol
(13:08:40) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) het was gremio gelukt om in TF te sneaken
(13:09:10) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ik vind het jammer
(13:09:17) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) dat me broertje niet permanent JJ2 speelt
(13:09:22) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) hij is best wel goed, vind ik
(13:09:27) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) niet in CTF
(13:09:28) (@[CC]Stiletto) lol
(13:09:29) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) maar kan wel goed battlen
(13:09:36) (@[CC]Stiletto) noway dat ik van je broertje 5-1 in dw verlies
(13:09:39) (@[CC]Stiletto) dat was jij gewoon..
(13:09:43) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ja dat zeg ik
(13:09:47) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) de CTF wedstrijden heb ik zelf moeten doen
(13:09:54) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) als ik me broertje tegen al die TFers liet spelen was ie er niet ingekomen
(13:09:58) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) want me broertje kan geen CTF
(13:10:13) (@[CC]Stiletto) hmm weet iedereen binnen CC dit al?
(13:10:22) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) veel
(13:10:27) (@[CC]Stiletto) like?
(13:10:48) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) bunny, night, redspazy, fireball en chippie d8 ik
(13:11:03) (@[CC]Stiletto) k.
(13:11:43) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) het was redspazy's plan
(13:11:48) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) hij wist alles al vanaf het begin

Ok, saw this....He admits. But Again, another LIE! he says it was Redspazy's plan. Ofcourse We go check it and Jippo is quite good Friends with Redspazy and he sais this:

7-1-2004 16:13:27 Jurriaan---> (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* wist jij van dat Gremio gebeuren?
7-1-2004 16:13:51 (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jurriaan---> doh
7-1-2004 16:13:57 (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jurriaan---> duh
7-1-2004 16:14:04 Jurriaan---> (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jij bed8 of nniet?
7-1-2004 16:13:57 (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jurriaan-->
nee , cb

So he sais it was CB's Idea. I asked Chippie if he knew what was happening with Gremio. And he idnt know a thing. Fireball did know about it.

Well, because of all this, CB has some new enmeies, and some less members.
I and Jippo leave for sure, Bye bye CC.

And we''dd love some comments from CB

Ask Cb 1st

BAHHHHHHH... I WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT GREMIO IS NOT A FAKER! ;(

Oh BTW, who cares, I find it funny
I used to act like I was someone else (call me n00b now) too and it's fun :P

hehe that was Jippo at my account -.-

omg... bah, you are not SURE he was.

Oh, my brother DOES play JJ2. Only when I ask him to, though. I couldn't have done it without the help of my brother, cuz then both CraccoBoy and Gremio couldn't be in 1 server at the same time with different IPs and both talking/fighting.

It wasn't a sick thing. It was neccesary. After the failed tournament of Reptile there was a lot of pressure between CC/XSD and TF. In order to find out where this was coming from, I had to get into TF myself. The idea worked. I heard from a anti-CC group by IronlightTF and ThunderTF. Also I noticed that Reptile was pretty anti-CC too, but I think he has his reasons for that (probably that we didn't give him permission to rejoin CC when he just returned to JJ2). As the project was finished I made an accouncement under Gremio like "IM LEAVING JJ2". There was no need for Gremio to exist any longer on JJ2 since I got the information I needed. Plus, some people were kinda liking Gremio and if Gremio, someone that doesn't really exist, stayed around longer, their hearts would have ended up being broken.
It was a very risky mission, I couldn't let anyone else finding out about it, but luckily it was succesful. Ironlight decided to stop his anti-CC thing. I also talked with Unhit later, and he'll talk with some other TFs so the problem will be solved. Everything fine. Unhit wasn't angry at me for the whole stuff either.

However, I am disappointed too.. I've learned that most JJ2 based friends usually aren't real friends, who support you through thick and thin. Well, good luck.

Originally Posted by CraccoBoyCC

I've learned that most JJ2 based friends usually aren't real friends, who support you through thick and thin.

That's right.
I thought that XSD was my friends but they are quite NO, same about some other people.

dont whine about that now.. just give it some time..

but i'd just like to say.. you dont do this to friends.. and only you know what you really did and what i mean

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The best? I don't think so, Stop to defend him.

Oh one other thing. If you wanted some information about TF members you could as well have asked me or another leader. I don't care if you pretend to be someone else, but when you touch TF you touch me I wonder why you didnt just ask us openly.

I didn't know we had an "anti-CC group" in TF. Did I miss a newspost or something?

All of the people mentioned there are ex-CCers. Coincidence? Probably not, though I'm not really sure what that would mean. CC itself probably knows best why those people left. And like Flash said: it's perfectly fine to ask us openly, most of us don't go to the trouble of weaving webs of lies and deceit in a 2D bunny game.

As for the friends thing: welcome to the more unpleasant side of life.

Can't we all just get along

I'm sorry, but I cannot take this any longer. There's a too big burden on my shoulders. I hope the people I love understand this.

BTW: "Well, because of all this, CB has some new enmeies, and some less members."

Probably, but I've always had enemies. And I've not seen any new enemies because of this conflict yet except you two probably. Plus, more members joined than left, after this happened so that's wrong too.. I don't care much about quantity anyway. Because of this, a lot of people have shown be how good friends they are.. And I'm grateful for that.

Originally Posted by CraccoBoyCC

Oh, my brother DOES play JJ2. Only when I ask him to, though. I couldn't have done it without the help of my brother, cuz then both CraccoBoy and Gremio couldn't be in 1 server at the same time with different IPs and both talking/fighting.

It wasn't a sick thing. It was neccesary. After the failed tournament of Reptile there was a lot of pressure between CC/XSD and TF. In order to find out where this was coming from, I had to get into TF myself. The idea worked. I heard from a anti-CC group by IronlightTF and ThunderTF. Also I noticed that Reptile was pretty anti-CC too, but I think he has his reasons for that (probably that we didn't give him permission to rejoin CC when he just returned to JJ2). As the project was finished I made an accouncement under Gremio like "IM LEAVING JJ2". There was no need for Gremio to exist any longer on JJ2 since I got the information I needed. Plus, some people were kinda liking Gremio and if Gremio, someone that doesn't really exist, stayed around longer, their hearts would have ended up being broken.
It was a very risky mission, I couldn't let anyone else finding out about it, but luckily it was succesful. Ironlight decided to stop his anti-CC thing. I also talked with Unhit later, and he'll talk with some other TFs so the problem will be solved. Everything fine. Unhit wasn't angry at me for the whole stuff either.

However, I am disappointed too.. I've learned that most JJ2 based friends usually aren't real friends, who support you through thick and thin. Well, good luck.

OMGGGG ME and Ironlight having a Anti-CC plan???
Ironlight asked me once if I´m an Anti-CCer, I sayd Sure whatever coz i didn´t care about it, I thought it was just meaning nothing. But now I´ve done something wrong?? and CB stepping into TF under another name is not nice.. Lab was idd right, just ask us openly and the Totally Freako´s will answer So.. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH I TELL YA

It's true what CB said that I wasn't really "angry" about the thing. However, I'm quite disappointed. Flash said it. He could have asked us. Well, dunno what else to say so far.

DRAMA.

Whatever the truth, it makes me glad I'm not in a clan.

~ Traft

Originally Posted by Enigma

I didn't know we had an "anti-CC group" in TF. Did I miss a newspost or something?

Even Unhit didn't know of this, that's why asking any of you wouldn't have helped at all. It was a secret thingy of Ironlight (and prolly some other TFs).

Originally Posted by Enigma

All of the people mentioned there are ex-CCers. Coincidence? Probably not, though I'm not really sure what that would mean. CC itself probably knows best why those people left.

Every clan has it's people who come and go. There are also a lot of people in CC who have been in it for a long time and still love it.

I have two more things to say in this thread. One I'll say right now, the other point I'll say when I'm home because I don't have much time now.

1. Don't be so hypocrite and immature please! It's not like I'm the only one who ever had a fake name without telling others. Are we forgetting how Newspaz secretly joined CC as "MooCow" before? And how Jippo secretly joined XSD with another name, without telling me to put up a clanwar AGAINST CC? I'm not getting why people make such a fuss of this if I do it. And besides, at least I had a good reason to. Ktnxbye.

I have to agree with CraccoboyCC at some of his points. You guys can act really immature sometimes, there was no such thread when you joined other clans under other nicknames. The fact that you did not even speak honestly to eachother is ridiculous, which might be one of the best solutions to such conflicts.

In response to CraccoboyCC. If TF had an anti-CC group, who cares? People are not allowed to dislike your clan? Besides, doing actions against CC would only hurt themselves.
In response to Trafton. If you don't have anything to put into this drama, immature clan conflict, then why are you responding? Stop spamming, please.

Anyway, I never really hate any CCer, I can't hate people in the internet.

LETS ALL BE FRIENDS NOW

This whole thing is retarded. If he wants to be a female... well lets give him a cheque for an operation.

Originally Posted by Fl@$h

LETS ALL BE FRIENDS NOW

yes agreed ;-P

Originally Posted by $tilettø

(13:06:08) (@[CC]Stiletto) hmm Craccie ik en 2 andere lui d8en dat jij Gremio was.. klopt dat?
(13:06:09) (@[CC]Stiletto) ^_^
(13:06:13) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) nee
(13:06:15) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) me broertje
(13:06:32) (@[CC]Stiletto) hmm
(13:06:33) (@[CC]Stiletto) ?
(13:06:40) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ik op PC, hij op laptop
(13:06:56) (@[CC]Stiletto) sure
(13:07:19) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ja hoe kunnen gremio en craccoboy anders 2 verschillende IPs hebben in een Jj2 server en tegelijk chatten en spelen? :P
(13:07:37) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ik vroeg hem es of hij me wou helpen met een plan en dat wou ie
(13:07:39) (@[CC]Stiletto) ja wisten we al.. kabel en modem
(13:07:42) (@[CC]Stiletto) plan?
(13:08:17) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) plan om erachter te komen waar die anti-CC dingen vandaan kwamen en we kwamen er dus achter dat het ironlight was :P
(13:08:19) (@[CC]Stiletto) paar lui voor gek zetten = plan?
(13:08:25) (@[CC]Stiletto) lol
(13:08:40) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) het was gremio gelukt om in TF te sneaken
(13:09:10) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ik vind het jammer
(13:09:17) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) dat me broertje niet permanent JJ2 speelt
(13:09:22) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) hij is best wel goed, vind ik
(13:09:27) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) niet in CTF
(13:09:28) (@[CC]Stiletto) lol
(13:09:29) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) maar kan wel goed battlen
(13:09:36) (@[CC]Stiletto) noway dat ik van je broertje 5-1 in dw verlies
(13:09:39) (@[CC]Stiletto) dat was jij gewoon..
(13:09:43) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) ja dat zeg ik
(13:09:47) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) de CTF wedstrijden heb ik zelf moeten doen
(13:09:54) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) als ik me broertje tegen al die TFers liet spelen was ie er niet ingekomen
(13:09:58) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) want me broertje kan geen CTF
(13:10:13) (@[CC]Stiletto) hmm weet iedereen binnen CC dit al?
(13:10:22) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) veel
(13:10:27) (@[CC]Stiletto) like?
(13:10:48) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) bunny, night, redspazy, fireball en chippie d8 ik
(13:11:03) (@[CC]Stiletto) k.
(13:11:43) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) het was redspazy's plan
(13:11:48) (@[CC]CraccoBoy) hij wist alles al vanaf het begin

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7-1-2004 16:13:27 Jurriaan---> (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* wist jij van dat Gremio gebeuren?
7-1-2004 16:13:51 (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jurriaan---> doh
7-1-2004 16:13:57 (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jurriaan---> duh
7-1-2004 16:14:04 Jurriaan---> (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jij bed8 of nniet?
7-1-2004 16:13:57 (m) RÉÃ�Å(-)pÃ(-)Zý XÅ(-)Ã� & Yasco *-www.xsdclan.tk-* Jurriaan-->
nee , cb

I know it's a touch late, but could we get a translation for the people that can't read this language?

2. I am sick of things like this. I am tired and disappointed of the ways some people have been acting around here and around JJ2. Therefore I am planning to keep myself on the background of JJ2 from now on (I'll leave that to people like BunnyElmer and RedSpazy), and have already officially changed CC back from a CW-based clan to a fun-based clan. Which means that I basically only care about that my members like it in CC and that we're having a good time @ JJ2.

Stup thread, created for a stup reason anyway. You could as well just close it. o_O

So, now do you want to help and support DDL? :P

TF wants to help and support DDL, Crono.

Originally Posted by Crono5

So, now do you want to help and support DDL? :P

As I said in the other thread.. I'll support DDL if you need me, but I'm not going to crash any servers or anything. :P

you don't need that cheque anymore ?

Sure, send it. Might come in handy sometime :P

Give it to me!

1. Hmm, CB just like to be on the other side. And just like me he always find an excuse for it later.
2. I hate CC aswell, but I have my own private reasons to. And its not like I have something in total against every CCer, I hate them one by one.
3. Since when doing good stuff for you clan is multiclanning, espically when your leader! And also Anakin for example was in XSD before the merge or something like that.
4. What does crashing servers has to do with this thread?
5. m00

SKIN =)

*sigh* Skinab, don't you think I myself know better what I like than you? And I don't like to be on the other side, I prefer being neutral. And btw I've seen nothing about crashing servers in this thread?
And about Anakin/multiclanning; a. I knew that he was in XSD under the name Padawan so when he wanted to join CC I told him to stop being Padawan, and he did. I did not know that he kept multiclanning after that under another name Anakin.
b. It's not like Anakin or me are the only ones who ever used a fakename to get into another clan, there are a lot of others who did/are doing it, so stop complaining plztnxkbye.

I agree with CB. This whole thread is pointless anyway.

Ok, at last I can respond to all this. I couldnt make an account somehow ><
eh, there we go.

I know (now) that CB didnt have much af a bad meaning of being Gremio... Atelast, his excuse was the anti-CC thing. I've got some arguments against this:

1. Anti-cc thingg, so what? They are not ur membeers and none of your business
2. If no-one knows about it, what is the point of such a whole Gremio act?
3. Half of the people that actually knew Gremio, knew that it was CB. Even not-members, why did he let me and stylo go and check 1000s op Ips etc....? HE could just have told us....we were not the most Idle or unimportant people in CC...

Well, and for the rest. I am getting sick of this as well ;-(. I do not want fights....nut ok
I am leaving,