Nope, I still don't get it.

But you can stop trying to explain. I probably never will.

I think Drmoo wants to be able to change the order animations are listed in, without affecting the usage in the level.

When you add a new animation, it is placed at the bottom of the animations list. The only way to place an animation in slot, say, 2, is to either edit animation 2 to be the new one and place the old animation 2 at the end of the list, or do a lot of cloning. Either way, the level will be full of instances of the wrong animations. Drmoo (and I agree with him on this strongly) would like to be able to insert a new animation between two existing animations, rather than at the end of the list.

Now I Get It!!!

Excellent rephrasing, UR. This is definitely a must-have feature.

From the Jazz2 License Agreement:

YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO REVERSE ENGINEER, DECOMPILE OR DISASSEMBLE THE
SOFTWARE IN ANY WAY. Any copying of the SOFTWARE and related documentation not specifically allowed in this Agreement is a violation of this Agreement.

Hmmm. Neobeo's Interests on JCF say "Disassembling Jazz2". And JSD, JCS+, and the Tileset Extractor all point it out. Speaking of Tileset Extractor, it crashed my Opera session when I tried to download it. Now I have to go all over again. I know Tileset Extractor is not to be blamed for it, but still.

IT'S ILLEGAL!!! You may say "Epic doesn't care about it anyway" but until they release the source (which I hope they won't) your statements will be all wrong.

And JCS+ is such an uncreative name. JSD was okay, but that's it. Stop ripping off JCS.

I wonder how JCS+ will perform on older and/or low-end machines. But you probably don't care anyway.

Oh how I miss the freedom to flame.

Point one: JSD is also against the License Agreement. It's been out for a while now. Want to know how much Epic cared? Their lawyers nearly sued somebody over a Marcus Pheonix doll intended to be a present for a family member hooked on Gears (or Gear'd, maybe a Gearhead. haha I'm so clever). I'm going to repeat that because it sounds vaguely important: They nearly SUED someone over a FAN MADE TOY that was NEVER GOING TO BE SOLD. They did DIDDLY-SQUAT (read: nothing) about JSD. JCS+ is not going to be an issue. Period. Also, what the heck do you mean by "You may say "Epic doesn't care about it anyway" but until they release the source (which I hope they won't) your statements will be all wrong." We're wrong that Epic doesn't care but all of sudden we're right when they do the one thing fans have been clamoring for? CliffyB has even said himself that Jazz fans care more about the source code than a Jazz 3. Finally, whats with the "I hope they don't"? It's one thing to be the devil's advocate, it's another thing entirely to be completely negative to rile people up which is what it seems like you are doing with your insanely inadequate reasoning, poor arguments, and contradicting statements.

On the name, let me ask you if this conversation makes the slightest bit of sense: "Hey guys I just developed a refined and more functional version of the JCS that is going to be used by people who suck my teat metaphorically and those interested in the new features" "Oh, what will you call it?" "Well considering the audience I mentioned consists of near everyone, I'll just throw away the name everyone has been using for nearly the past decade."

JCS+ it is then

But it could use some power.. like

JCS+: A new generation

or

JCS+ - Advanced world creation software

I like the second one because it reads as "JCS Plus Minus" at a first glance.

The second one, but with the '-' gone and with level instead of world

Originally Posted by RedJazz

IT'S ILLEGAL!!! You may say "Epic doesn't care about it anyway" but until they release the source (which I hope they won't) your statements will be all wrong.

Redjazz says this because he is very anti-hack, which is quite hippocritical of him, since he uses many of these tools himself, like carrotade, controler, and some crap for coloring his fur/name.

Originally Posted by FreeFull

The second one, but with the '-' gone and with level instead of world

it's the word 'world' that gives that name its power.

I propose "Advanced universe creation software" then.

I propose just JCS+

Simple is beautiful

I never used Carrotade.

The simple reason why we are willing to violate the Epic agreement is simply because we don't care and neither does Epic.

Originally Posted by RedJazz

I never used Carrotade.

Carrotade doesn't work with WINE

What's WINE?
@coob: yer pict doesn't work.

Be enlightened.

It should be funny if you can edit JJ1 and Battery Check levels too :P

And with BC levels, 1.10o levels. And add 1.00g/h and 1.20 too, then. Completeness is Cool.

Jerry, you forgot the kitchen sink.

Wasn't that mentioned on page 3 already?

I heard from an unreliable source that neo quit. Is this so?

Well, the world is still spinning, so apparently not.

I think it might be.

If he quit the community will die immediately ;p

If he quit the community will die immediately ;p

Well, the world is still spinning, so apparently not.

Is Neobeo your god or what?

He maintains one of the two listservers.

Neobeo has done a lot of great work for the game, so in my opinion he does deserve respect from everyone, even if some people here went overboard *cough*

I don't know about you redjazz, but I'm really happy with how has the community progressed with Neobeo's aid.^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}

Originally Posted by FreeFull

He maintains one of the two listservers.

Wha?

I never said Neobeo was a bad person as everyone has their strong and weak points.

But I think that no Jazzer should accept copies. Who needs anything else when you've got JJ2 and JCS from Epic and they work great? I mean, the community has survived from 1998 to Neobeo's arrival with Epic tools.

If JJ2 and JCS worked great, there would be no need for Carrotade/a sprite editor/a tileset extractor/a dedicated server utility. The only "tool" we got from Epic was JCS, and this topic shows that it's a far from perfect tool.

(This discussion warrants its own topic rather than leeching off this one)

The only "tool" we got from Epic was JCS, and this topic shows that it's a far from perfect tool.

If it wasn't then a replacement would be created years ago!

But it wasn't, therefore the community took it into our own hands to make a 'new version'! Makes perfect sense, no?

Originally Posted by RedJazz

If it wasn't then a replacement would be created years ago!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha <--- My reaction to this post, literally.

-Good help files
-Better Episode handler !

Redjazz, we didn't know how until recently (I still don't ).

Originally Posted by RedJazz

If it wasn't then a replacement would be created years ago!

That what Phoenix said, and Epic didn't have time or money to make an replacement.