hello,
in 6.4 the flagholder has the orange flag symbol added at the end of his name above the rabbit in the game. can you please make this feature toggleable? since the rabbit is already carrying the big flag, it's clear that his player is the flagholder so it seems like that little flag symbol makes the player name longer for no important reason. the yellow star being attached directly onto the name took a bit less horizontal space. at least so far multiple players have stated that they dislike the name being made longer by the flag symbol being attached to it.

in the playerlist the orange flag symbol appears at the left side, away from the player name. when we want to QUICKLY see in playerlist who is flagholder, it's sometimes not clear who it is using only a blink of an eye, bcs the symbol is now farther away from the name. when the flag star was still written directly at the flagholder's name in the playerlist, one could always identify the flagger quickly enough.
would be cool if the flag symbol (whether its an actual flag or just the start like before) can be attached directly onto the name of the flagholder in the playerlist like before. this way its always INSTANTLY clear who is flagholder and a blink of an eye is 100% enough to see it correctly.

actually on a second thought, we do we need any symbol at all added to the nickname of the flagholder above the rabbit ingame? since the big flag is attached to the rabbit, everyone who sees that player knows that this is the flagholder. perhaps one doesnt need any symbol there at all.

as for the flag symbol in the playerlist: ofc it looks cleaner this way when its on the side and not attached to the nickname in the playerlist and it works out in most situations. but like i said, sometimes in some chaotic/fast paced moments u only wanna spend a blink of an eye to check in playerlist which opponent has the flag now. and in those moments it's simply easier when the flag symbol is attached to the nickname (like the yellow star was before) and now away from it. so u cant mistake which player has the flag, which is possible when u only spend a blink of an eye checking who is flagholder now when the symbol is on the left side there like it is now.

Personally yes, I strongly want the symbol next to the flagholder ingame. Everything else in CTF is red and blue, so seeing a little orange symbol makes me think "oh this is a flag holder, this is actually important." BlurredD made a good decision adding that to the game. And of course you want it for all the other gamemodes and mutators.

I'm absolutely open to discussion about where the flag (, padlock, star, brain, skull, assorted mutator icons...) should appear in the player list or the chat. I would just caution people to wait a few days before having strong opinions. Whenever there's a visual change, it's really easy to say the old way was better no matter what the change was. First impressions aren't always the most reliable.

One particular problem with having the symbol be on the right of the player's name in the player list is that it looks bad on players with long names. It starts running into their stats and making everything hard to read. If the symbol is always in the exact same horizontal spot in the list, independent of the length of players' names, it should be much easier to find.

yes i get the idea of visually highlighting the flagholder bcs of importance. but we can see it already bcs he is carrying a big flag, even if its red/blue. would it be possible to make it toggleable? in wrn's mutator there are multiple toggleable visual features as well. this way everyone can adjust the settings to their liking.

yes, if the nickname is too long it can also get confusing if the symbol is hidden behind stats, but afaik there are not many players where this applies. myb splat when he changes his nick sometimes XD
however i agree, lets wait a while and play some more before making a final judgement

Regarding the player list and being able to check it quickly, I think we could do well by just moving some things around, here's an initial take:

Current:
Alternate:

Some caveats:

• The current list style always dedicates enough horizontal space for two-digit numbers, here we'd only be doing that if there were 10+ players on the list
• I haven't thought about how to indicate muted players (currently there's an M on the left)
• Putting the gray + on the right end makes it too confused with the ms text, but I do want to do something with the gray +. Right now there are a whole bunch of things you might see there:
  • Red @ if you're the server and the client has a different plus version
  • Gray + if you're not the server
  • Teal + if you're the server and the client is running 1.24
  • Blue + if you're the server and the client is running 1.23
  • Gray ! if you're the server and the client isn't running JJ2+ but the client is running 1.23 and you're running 1.24, or the client is running 1.24 and you're running 1.23
  Not only is that difficult to keep track of, I'm doubtful it's all still useful. This is a system that predates JJ2+ v4.3, when 1.23 and 1.24 became fully interoperable. Personally the only thing I would actually want to know if someone's not running JJ2+, or possibly if they're running an earlier version of JJ2+ than I am (if clients even have access to that information).
• Most of the time you don't care about player ID numbers, but unfortunately they are useful for kicking/banning/muting/forcespectating/etc... maybe they could be hidden unless you're chatting something that begins in / or @?

ETA: some possible muted player designs