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May 25, 2001, 02:56 AM
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Question 1:



And now it's my turn . I'm ready with some tileset, and it's 8bit now (PSP roolz). But, it contains some black colors. In 24b, in which I actually created it, that was no problems cus it were almost-black-but-not-fully-black colors. I mad it 8b, and created tha tileset in JCS. But the black colors became (as you know) transparant, like every black color does. Can I replace that black colors with some almost-black-but-not-fully-black color? And if yes, HOW?



Question 2:

The tileset uses some not remapped palette (Textured bg, u know). But jazz is black now, and spaz does. Can I also replace that colors? And if yes, how?



Thanxs in Advance.


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May 25, 2001, 03:16 AM
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1.i dont know anything about PSP, but i always use the darkest brown or blue possible :P



2. choose remap tileset palette

that should take care of the strange character color change
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May 25, 2001, 04:18 AM
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Why does jazz (when building the tileset) change black colors transparent anyway?
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Jazz2 doesn't automatically change black colours to transparent colours. Its more like index colour(s 0 and) 1 *are* the transparent colours. I usually take index colour 0 somewhere else (like swapping it out to some free palette entry), then make it RGB 0/0/0 (pure black). Same with index colour 1 (which is my transparent colour). I usually make it RGB 87/0/203, like Noogy did in the JCS help

Hmmm...somehow this is quite hard too explain. You just have to play around a bit. Sorry, i guess this is no help for you...btw i use PSP5, its very mighty and works fine for tilesets.
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May 25, 2001, 05:55 AM
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There's a simple way to change Jazz from being black, but you should prolly do it at the end. What ya do is, when you're building the tileset, have it so that it remaps it. You should lose a ton of quality in this, but don't worry. Make a stupid level with a bunch of you tiles, and take a screen shot. Load the screen shot in PSP, and then save a pallet from the screen shot. THEN, go to your tileset, and load the pallet into the tileset thing. This is better than remapping.



Although that, too, can degrade quality (of course). Have fun.



Oh yeah, for black colors, just get a dark blue or brown, like as has been said already. Blue is the best, in my opinion. Also, for a note, try to stay away from orange and grey colors.
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May 25, 2001, 02:22 PM
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Im too confused to say anything right now...



Perhaps i lack the exp for this.
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heheh, there are a few ways, but lemme start with the basics.



1. PSP Roolz



2. The darkest non-transparent black you can get is #07000B (I'm using the html color code). You can edit that value in PSP when you choose a color. A nice transparent color to use is #5700CB (the blue-ish one).



3. To make the black un-transparent all you have to do is go to colors->edit palette and change all the black colors to #07000B.



I have reason to believe that you didn't include the Jazz2 colors in your palette. If you re-map it would only include the Jazz2 colors and remove all the colors you included. There is a nice way to get the Jazz2 palette:



1. Go into the JCS help thingy and look for the section called 'creating a tileset mini manual'.



2. At the bottom of that section you would see some files you can download to start with.



3. Download the file called 'stencil.pcx'



4. Open that file in PSP



5. Go to 'colors->save palette' and save the file as Jazz2.pal (or whatever you want to call it)



There, now you have the colors to JJ2. This is what your palette would look like if you choose to re-map it. You are allowed to add your own colors underneath those colors of JJ2. Anyways, that means if you decrease your color depth it should be to about 120 colors. Hmmm, lemme use that point to point thingy to explain how to fix the bug and finish your tileset.



1. The first thing you did was make the tileset in 24-bit. That's fine by me, all you need to do now is decrease the color depth to 120 colors



2. To do that, go to colors->decrease color depth->X colors. In the next window that pops up you can choose the amount of colors you want (Do NOT include window's colors).



3. Okay, your tileset looks a lot more ugly now. Sometimes it can be a total shock, TRUST ME! You can try to make it more colors and drcease them manually, but that takes ages and doesn't always work.



4. Change all the black colors in the palette to #07000B to prevent yourself from pulling your hair out in the future. If you used black as the transparent color, then change it to #5700CB, it's a better color to use.



5. After that is done go to colors->save palette and save it as 'mytileset.pal' (or whatever you like)



6. Now all you have to do is put all the colors in 'mytileset.pal' into the free spaces in 'jazz2.pal'. You can do that with a program called Palette Suite (made by Toxic Bunny, there is a topic about it here in the JCS forum).



7. When you are done with that new palette in palette suite, save it as 'mytileset2.pal' (or whatever name you like).



8. Back inside PSP, on the your tileset (the one you reduced to 120 colors), go to colors->load palette and load 'mytileset2.pal'. Make sure you use the form of 'nearest color' and not 'palette entry' (I can't remember exactly, but you can figure it out).



9. Save the image, it should now be fixed, all you need to do then is make a mask and build it in JCS (do NOT choose the re-map tileset palette feature).



OTHER NOTES:



You mentioned a textured background, the textured background must be 32 colors. Those 32 colors must be in palette entries 176-207. Make sure your background uses all 32 of those colors. If not, add the 32 colors somewhere else in your tileset. If your background is still buggy, it is because the colors of the background are used somewhere else in the palette. To get rid of that all you need to do is remove that color somewhere else (of course it is not needed because it's already i the background). If the color is one ofthe colors in the Jazz2 palette, then you have a problem. Change your background color using hue settings (colors->adjust->hue, saturation, lightness). You must be in 24-bit to do that. One way to do it is to leave palette entries 176-207 open (put plain black there or something) and excluse the background until you are done with it. You can then just add the 32 colors in the palette with Palette Suite and stack the background in your tileset after you loaded the new palette.



Wow, it's finished, that is one LONG post. Must be one of my longest yet. Oh well, I'm just glad to help. I just assumed that that is your problem. If it isn't, give me more details and I will be glad to help.



Oh, by the way, I didn't double check my info in PSP so all that stuff was taken from memory :P
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could you like make small messages of that, it would make it more interesting to read
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Well, he could cut the fat of his post, but that would make it harder to understand.
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I always make the first two colours purple, then the third color another shade of black... Save that pallette, open your tileset back. Put that pallette over it and restore the first two colours.
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that makes sense
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