Well as u all know there is the scale ratings on the person's talent at level making, 1- being worst (example from Radium, Voldard's Treasure Jungle)
and 10 being the best, and 5 is average

Ive always thought of it as percentages

1=10%
2=20%
3=30%
4=40%
5=50% (they say lvl 5 is average)
6=60%
7=70%
8=80%
9=90%
10=100%

*waits for critisism from admins and violet *

Edit: Embarrasing grammer edit pointed out by Radium

Originally Posted by KILLERRABBIT(ICEDKILLER)

1=10%
2=20%
3=30%
4=40%
5=50% (they say lvl 5 is average)
6=60%
7=70%
8=80%
9=90%
10=10%

Thank god I get 8s and 9s and not a 10.

Eheheh... =D;;

(Rad, you seriously got a point there. )

What exactly is the point of this thread?

Why 10 Is Like 1 ???

People over and underate too much. Five is average, and have always been. If you get an eight, it's brilliant work and you gain a tip on your level for download recommed. People rate with 7 as average (which is horrible over rated), and I saw Radium give a boring space tileset a 9, which is equal to one of Agama's tilesets.

Originally Posted by Moonblaze

I saw Radium give a boring space tileset a 9, which is equal to one of Agama's tilesets.

Hey, I think that tileset was quite good. Maybe not equal to Agama's in quality, but it certainly had enough interesting stuff to look at, something most tilesets lack. I personally prefer tilesets with great eyecandy over tilesets with great platforms, and I grade heavily on creativity. The creator used a common theme, but took a unique approach to it, which in my opinion is much better than someone doing a crappy job at an underused idea. While I might grade heavily on creativity and eyecandy, someone else might grade heavily on backgrounds and pallete quality. Everyone grades differently, and that's why the scores are averaged. If everyone had the same opinion, we'd only need one reviewer. But since we all have different preferences and opinions, our ratings are evened out.

Some people do over rate. I recall someone complaining about how a level had bad gameplay and had stolen their idea, then gave it an 8. Any rating should be allowed, as long as the person can justify it in the review. I've seen some sites where people will post a review "it sux" and give a 1 to something rated a 9. J20 is heavily moderated to remove such reviews, but a review can not be removed or declared "unfair" simply because it isn't the same as every other review.

I do not exactly see this as a novel concept. One would assume that 8.0 would be 8.0 out of 10.0, which is mathematically equal to 80%. ;-P

~ Traft

People rate with 7 as average (which is horrible over rated)

I think the problem here is people attributing different values to the same ratings. I personally look at this from a Holland/UK perspective because I'm from Holland but studying in the UK.

Anyway...

I find that in Holland the ratings are valued like this:

10 - genius
9 - excellent
8 - very good
7 - good
6 - okay, but nothing special
5 - not worth the effort
4 - bad
3 - really bad
2 - crap
1 - an insult to level making

... while in the UK, and I think probably most other countries, it's more like:

10 - the best ever
9 - genius
8 - excellent
7 - very good
6 - good
5 - okay, but nothing special
and so on...

To illustrate, I once got a glowing review on a level of mine only to recieve an in my view somewhat dissappointing 7. With that kind of praise I was expecting an 8 at least... or I've had levels being called average and recieving a to Dutch eyes subpar 5.

You know this isen't school grades, it's a rating system where ten is the best and zero is the wrost. Don't forget that nine is nearly PERFECT after this system, and that is really only what Agama's tilesets deserve. Nice theory throught. ;P

You know this isen't school grades, it's a rating system where ten is the best and zero is the wrost. Don't forget that nine is nearly PERFECT after this system, and that is really only what Agama's tilesets deserve.

I don't agree that Agama's work is the only thing on J2O deserving of a 9 or higher. I know it's not meant to be school grades. I am just saying that this is how I, and I am sure many others, look at it. People are not overrating when they give out a 7 to something that's just good, they're just interpreting the values differently.

it's a rating system where ten is the best and zero is the wrost

It just ocurred to me that that actually isn't true. 10 is the best but 1 is the worst. So in actual fact, the Dutch system is more accurate than the UK system. Because the average of 1 and 10 is 5.5 and not 5. In Holland anything below 5.5 is a fail. But a 6 is still considered average. In the UK you can simply get away with less... things that are in fact technically below average.

The ratings are based around the average, which should be 5. However, you can't tell what the average is unless you play every level. Thus everyone has a different 'average' score, and so a different rating system.

I just thought that up, it's probably flawed.

Ninja Dodo: If a level is SO bad it doesn't deserve a 1, it can be given a 0.5 rounded up to 1.

Originally Posted by Ninja Dodo

I don't agree that Agama's work is the only thing on J2O deserving of a 9 or higher.

The Lost World really deserve aswell, I used Agama's tilesets as example this time. Reviewing is completely giving your own opinion, and (in my opinion) people overrate matched from the average ratings on older stuff. Let's take as example Radium's 9 on that space tileset, infact that tileset would be asgood as your level pack out from the average rating.

Actually, I think Ninja Dodo's own "The Lost World" is fully deserving of a 10, but he's probably just too modest to mention it.

Originally Posted by Ninja Dodo

Anyway...

I find that in Holland the ratings are valued like this:

10 - genius
9 - excellent
8 - very good
7 - good
6 - okay, but nothing special
5 - not worth the effort
4 - bad
3 - really bad
2 - crap
1 - an insult to level making

... while in the UK, and I think probably most other countries, it's more like:

10 - the best ever
9 - genius
8 - excellent
7 - very good
6 - good
5 - okay, but nothing special
and so on...

Hehhehehe that post was pretty funny, no really! No offense, but you had me laughing for a good 5 minutes, I don't really expect that when I read around here at the JCS stuff ;b

This level review is a perfect example of over rating without justification (I forget who wrote it):

sorry.


First bad things:

Small.
Boring.
No eyecandy.
Easy.


Good things:

some food.
some ammo.

lissen: Yor sp levels arent for you.
yor battles ar better, make them.
but oke its a little bit bad, very sorry.

rating fro me an 6.

Disguise:

Maybe I just take ratings too seriously but that's the way I see it.

I agree with you, Radium, that judging by the text that rating seems far too high. As for giving out 10s... I personally don't give them out at all, because I think that is always overrating as it is a perfect score. I'm glad you like my and Jaws' Lost World episode, Douglas, but I certainly wouldn't call it perfect. There are many things I would do differently now... Next time is going to be much better.

I judge like skate-judges. I start at perfect and take off for bad things, which I saw none in your level.

By the way, my name isn't Douglas Adams... he's just my favorite famous person. I'm surprised you've never heard of him.

Hang on.

Okay I have actually heard of Douglas Adams. I am just very VERY tired.

He's that writer isn't he? ... that wrote "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" or something? I've heard he's really good but I've never read any of his work.

Ok, here is an Idea.
If you think that the levels are rated improperly, go and rate them yourselfs! If everyone just goes and talks about changing ratings but noone goes and rates execpt those who are rating wrong, well, you get the idea.

FROM NOW ON I AM GOING TO RATE EVERYTHING I DOWNLOAD!

`N0

Originally Posted by Ninja Dodo

He's that writer isn't he? ... that wrote "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" or something? I've heard he's really good but I've never read any of his work.

"That writer" is an understatment. Yes, he did write the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy." Everyone should read that. Or at least if you enjoy comic Sci-Fi, which I would assume people who play Jazz would.

I'll probably borrow that book off my friend some time... or I'll just buy it if I see it in a store. I love Discworld and I'm told it's of a similar style.

Originally Posted by Ninja Dodo

I love Discworld and I'm told it's of a similar style.

I think it is too, though I read "Hitchhiker's Guide" FIRST, and then I got into Discworld...

I really love the Discworld books too though. That's, coincidental, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Radium

This level review is a perfect example of over rating without justification (I forget who wrote it):

sorry.


First bad things:

Small.
Boring.
No eyecandy.
Easy.


Good things:

some food.
some ammo.

lissen: Yor sp levels arent for you.
yor battles ar better, make them.
but oke its a little bit bad, very sorry.

rating fro me an 6.

That's an example of a review from Ðx.

Originally Posted by DaRkSoNiCXSD

That's an example of a review from Ðx.

Please don't answer really old topics, that's spam!

Answering to old topics isn't spam, Bjarni.

Originally Posted by NiQ

Answering to old topics isn't spam, Bjarni.

I don't understand, FQuist called it spam if answered old topic, on ICQ messenger! Why do you say it's not spam?

Eh? I think I remember this topic... that is, I remember "10=10%".

It's considered bad to reply to old topics, indeed.

My rating system probably goes something like this.

10 - Outstanding
09 - Amazing
08 - Great
07 - Good
06 - Okay
05 - Not so good
04 - Bad
03 - Very bad
02 - Awful
01 - Terrible

Some people rate like this...

10 - Amazing
09 - Great
08 - Good
07 - Okay
06 - Not so good
05 - Bad
04 - Very bad
03 - Awful
02 - Terrible
01 - Worst. Upload. Ever.

And there are also people who rate like this...

10 - Best. Upload. Ever.
09 - Outstanding
08 - Amazing
07 - Great
06 - Good
05 - Okay
04 - Not so good
03 - Bad
02 - Very bad
01 - Awful

Basically, there are 12 different rankings that I made up for rating numbers here, and I shifted them one slot up and one slot down to just show how people can review differently, biased or non-biased. The 12 rankings I came up with are...

12 - Best. Upload. Ever.
11 - Outstanding
10 - Amazing
09 - Great
08 - Good
07 - Okay
06 - Not so good
05 - Bad
04 - Very bad
03 - Awful
02 - Terrible
01 - Worst. Upload. Ever.

Feel free to comment on this. Or something ;(

10. Best. Upload. Ever.
9. Absolutely incredible.
8. Almost superb.
7. Unusually impressive.
6. Excellent.
5. Rather good.
4. Easily playable.
3. Masterpiece.
2. Totally wonderful.
1. Not too good.

10 = good
9 = good
8 = good
7 = good
6 = good
5 = good
4 = good
3 = good
2 = good
1 = good

With this upload system, you will never have any bad levels on J2O anymore! Yay!

10 = Perfect
9 = Must Have
8 = Great/Hostable
7 = Good
6 = Ok
5 = Average
4 = Below Average
3 = Bad
2 = Terrible
1 = Worst level in the history of Jazz 2

Naturally the 2 extremes will never be given out. Well, maybe the 1, but that belongs to one of my own levels.

..so perhaps J2O should use a descriptive naming system rather than numbers for ratings.

Originally Posted by Monolith

..so perhaps J2O should use a descriptive naming system rather than numbers for ratings.

That is an interesting idea in theory, but there is one problem. It would require much, much, much more explanation than just numbers. Perhaps there could be something on the side? For instance, 1.0 (Awful), 2.0 (Very Poor), 3 (Poor), 4 (Below Average), 5 (Average), 6 (Above Average), 7 (Good), 8 (Very Good), 9 (Excellent), and 10 (Amazing).

~ Traft