http://www.craccoclan.com/truth.html



check this link give ur opinion

,<[Trafton>C.C is basically a giant ego cult for CraccoBoy

,<[Trafton>He manipulates people ad nauseum

<[C.C]Shaney> what trafton stop lying chiyu doesnt manipulate

,<[FQuist> C.C started out with crap (posting JCF/J2O admins in swastika tilesets)
and never lost it, even though people thing they did.

,<[Trafton> Shaney, I was in C.C

,<[Trafton> I know what goes on

,<[n00b`> Chiyu does

,<[n00b`> Why do you think that they didnt post a (-) thing about themselves in their 'list of clan cheatings' story?
,<[n00b`> So that way they look better, and manipulate the public
,<[n00b`> And let me remind you Chiyu wrote most of that story
,<[C.C]Shaney> trafton i know chiyu way better then you i am one of C.C,s loyal members chiyu isnt manipulant if he was i allready had split the clan
,<[ninja``> you guys are being whiny (-)es
,<[ninja``> all of you
,<[C.C]Shaney> we didnt whine in the threads that was what you all did
,<[n00b`> Anyone not in an argument thinks that.
,<[Trafton> Shaney he tried to have me harass other clans under fake names.
,<[ninja``> there's no point in whining about this (-)
,<[n00b`> TRAFT! POST ABOUT THAT!
,<[FQuist> I know CB since he started making tilesets in which I was associated ,with Osama Bin Laden and porn.
,<[Trafton> If someone disagreed he'd have the other clan members harass them or shun them.
,<[FQuist> (PA)
,<[Trafton> That's the definition of manipulative.
<[C.C]Shaney> (PA)
,<[ninja``> cb is (a person)
,<[MaGoo> For the brief time I was in C.C all I can remember is CB making us run around in his stupid levels for training purposes.
,<[n00b`> Shaney, thats not tuer i knwo nimodr more than u i ma his mst loal mamber
,<[n00b`> if he manplutive i have spitted him lngo aog
,<[FQuist> (PA)
,<[Trafton> I can't really speak about Nimrod, but CraccoBoy requested blatantly illegal things.
,<[Trafton> And some amusingly retarded things
,<[n00b`> <[C,C]Shaney> C,C now is more About look we can atack you 2 we wont do nothing against people that just atack us, i mean when terrorist hit a building does america sits still no he kills innocent people,
,<[Trafton> No, white people can't be terrorists, MaGoo.
,<[C,C]Shaney> ehem (PA) what about stop refering a whole clan cause nimrod is actually still C,C he is our technicle suporter so actually your giveng also a PA to nimrod
,<[MaGoo> Your arguing makes baby Jesus cry.
,<[C,C]Shaney> who is baby jesus didnt they nail him to a cross
,<[Blackraptor>
,<[MaGoo> I lose.
,<[C,C]Shaney> so what i dont care anymore about talking nice about things here you were the people to choose to call me a jew, so i decide that
,<[Trafton> oh that's broken
,<[Blackraptor> haha painful
,<[Blackraptor> yeah, but jesus didnt call you a jew now did he?
,<[C,C]Shaney> no so you say that makes jesu cry i jjust give a fact jesus is dead he was nailed to a cross 2005 years ago
,<[C,C]Shaney> i remembered a thing what i have read what des easter mean the date easter falls is the da jesus died
,<[Blackraptor> we went from C,C to Trafton with shotguns to jesus.
,<[C,C]Shaney> i dunno
,<[C,C]Shaney> it go,s so fast
,<[Axie> Shaney, if your being totally serious...I'm going to cry. No one can lack a sense of humour to that extent.
,<[Trafton> How'd we get to Jesus?
,<[C,C]Shaney> what do you think i joke about jesus no
,<[Blackraptor> magoo came in and said "you make baby jesus cry"
,<[C,C]Shaney> i just gave tha hard fact jesus is dead so he cantcry
,<[Blackraptor> and a new discussion was born.
,<[FQuist> they know that, Shaney.
* Monobot *** End of list ***
,<[C,C]Shaney> so i dont care who is gonna ry about the (-) truth or anything you just seen cause its nothing compared what trafton did to me and some otherds
,<[C,C]Shaney> i dont get you the jews were the ones betraying jesus , and one of the reasons they nailed him
,<[Trafton> haha the jews nailed jesus
,<[Trafton> That sounds terrible to Americans
,<[Trafton> Shaney, Jesus was a Jew...so...
,<[C,C]Shaney> they betrayed him to the romans and the romans finished the thing
,<[Trafton> A group of them did.
,<[C,C]Shaney> so u see trafton thats a point just like C,C a group cheated and you blamne the whole clan what a point GG
,<[Blackraptor> relating C,C to jesus.
,<[Trafton> I don't blame the entire clan.
,<[Trafton> I blame CraccoBoy.
,<[Trafton> And those that follow abusive instructions, which is not the entire clan.
,<[Blackraptor> i blame those who were involved \o/
,<[FQuist> Who is the clan leader.
,<[Axie> Haha, I remember Trafton's C,C stories from EC2005. <3
,<[Trafton> Oh those were fun.
,<[C,C]Shaney> i blame my self for helping him wkith it but i dont leave CB for a reason like o now i betray you i stick with him cause he is my friend
,<[Trafton> CraccoBoy is hardly your friend, unfortunately.
,<[FQuist> don't start about it Trafton, doesn't help
,<[C,C]Shaney> Trafton there is so much you should learn before you open your mouth

[Personal attack edit. In #jj2 these remarks were tolerated, on the JCF they are questionable and need to be edited. The persons quoted did not break any JCF rules, but posting their quotes on the JCF is not tolerated by the JCF rules. - FQuist]

Hmm Shaney although I know your intensions are good, I don't think a topic like this is neccesary. Various CC'ers responsible, including me, apologised for what we've done and we merely showed some other true stories about people, like others revealed the truth about us. No need for provoking flamewars or anything...

To call this a "massive attack" like you did is kind of comical. I do not really care for most incidents apart from two, among these the one involving JJ2WC2. Cheating outside a clan tournament is not that bad as cheating in the #1 tournament. There's no evidence posted for point 5. Apart from that, I'm not sure, but I think posting private logs is against the law in some countries.

who cares.

funny read though. reminds me of a drama story.

this topic is about as neccesary as the king of fake thread i mean the king of fake thread go,s about exact the same as all you should know thread exact sothis doesnt matter either

I love how that mentions next to nothing about more truths about CC.
It looks like a huge propaganda staement saying "We rule, check these facts out so we look better"
If you really want to look better/bring up your image you should also make some confessions about bad things you did, instead of holding back all of this information until someone ratted your clan out and then show all of this without barely any piece of info saying "We also did something wrong, this is what we did".

Originally Posted by Trafton

CC manages to get involved in quite a lot of Internet drama.

Drama my back trafton ehem drama drama means people crying


O you stole our world championship o you did this o you did that we aint gonna do drama we do thriller

The poll is pretty much subjective, options 1, 3 and 4 are all in favour of CC, and there's not really an option which says "this is stupid", so I vote for two.

About the "truth", I think posting and uploading this was quite a stupid decision of CC. Although they are allowed to defend themselves from all the critics they got during the last few days, this is probably only a step in the wrong direction. The clan should have been wise by treating the whole case like "We know it happened, we're sorry for everything, now leave us alone", which would have calmed down the whole thing. Instead, the CraccoClan decided to strike back. And instead of bringing up good arguments for what they did and constructive explanations, they feel openly offended and now involve people into the conflict who have nothing to do with it all.

I will now retreat from this stupid "war", since I have better things to do then reading about whining clans.

Originally Posted by shaney

drama means people crying

Shaney, you now cant use the word drama.
You obviously dont know it's meaning.

Originally Posted by n00b

Shaney, you now cant use the word drama.
You obviously dont know it's meaning.

what about you get the hell of this thread were you participating jj2wc2 no you werent (FTG)

[Flame tag removal. May I remind you that you should not attack people, and that you will get warnings if you continue to do so. - FQuist]

In response to the thread title: no.

Originally Posted by Radium

In response to the thread title: no.

well GG the first bright reply

I now want to know fewer facts. Or at least more interesting ones.

Originally Posted by shaney

Drama my back trafton ehem drama drama means people crying

Google is a good way to find out what the word 'drama' means.

Originally Posted by ChippieBW

The poll is pretty much subjective, options 1, 3 and 4 are all in favour of CC, and there's not really an option which says "this is stupid", so I vote for two.

About the "truth", I think posting and uploading this was quite a stupid decision of CC. Although they are allowed to defend themselves from all the critics they got during the last few days, this is probably only a step in the wrong direction. The clan should have been wise by treating the whole case like "We know it happened, we're sorry for everything, now leave us alone", which would have calmed down the whole thing. Instead, the CraccoClan decided to strike back. And instead of bringing up good arguments for what they did and constructive explanations, they feel openly offended and now involve people into the conflict who have nothing to do with it all.

I will now retreat from this stupid "war", since I have better things to do then reading about whining clans.

Nah. They tell the truth about us, so we tell them about them as well. About what they did wrong. It wouldn't be fair if we only were 'de lul' right?
If you don't think like that, you just don't get CÇ's point.

Originally Posted by Fquist

To call this a "massive attack" like you did is kind of comical. I do not really care for most incidents apart from two, among these the one involving JJ2WC2. Cheating outside a clan tournament is not that bad as cheating in the #1 tournament. There's no evidence posted for point 5. Apart from that, I'm not sure, but I think posting private logs is against the law in some countries.

Ask Nimrod, he should know. He did it by himself. So we had a reason to do it as well. If you can't believe that you can't really believe it happened. It all was so logical. Nimrod even told us NOT to talk with eachother anymore.
If you believe it or not, its the truth. Chatlogs can prove it.

Originally Posted by n00b

I love how that mentions next to nothing about more truths about CC.
It looks like a huge propaganda staement saying "We rule, check these facts out so we look better"
If you really want to look better/bring up your image you should also make some confessions about bad things you did, instead of holding back all of this information until someone ratted your clan out and then show all of this without barely any piece of info saying "We also did something wrong, this is what we did".

You probably think we did A LOT more wrong. Well, you can think that, but it's not true. and OMFG we said sorry already. OH! And why should they tell the truth about us, and we not about them? ;.; this just was a great opportunity for us to tell them their secrets as well. Hacking a site, breaking up friendships, faking people. Not very cool things..

Let's count how many times Vegito says "OMFG" per post.

Anyway, although I doubt CC will believe us and anyone else will care, I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.

And I was really expecting more

Originally Posted by Stijn

I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.

It happened ages ago, before they even joined.

Edit: And if C-C and VS lost their championship title because of breaking the rules and stuff, then DM can unoffically consider themselves as the real winners of JJ2WC II.

So why were they included on that page then, and why are they mentioned as "Stiletto of TF" etc?

Originally Posted by Stijn

So why were they included on that page then, and why are they mentioned as "Stiletto of TF" etc?

Maybe Stiletto was in TF, I can't remember, but Thunder was clanless or an XD member back then.

Originally Posted by R3p

It happened ages ago, before they even joined.

Edit: And if C-C and VS lost their championship title because of breaking the rules and stuff, then DM can unoffically consider themselves as the real winners of JJ2WC II.

rep ur not amking sense the XsD clan ws in 2004 and in 2004 thunder and stiletto were TF

Originally Posted by shaney

rep ur not amking sense the XsD clan ws in 2004 and in 2004 thunder and stiletto were TF

shaney im amking sense the XsD clan ws all so in 2003

Prove. (Anakin was a faker, he was still known as BunnyElmer back then. He probably opened two different JJ2 windows, and that might explain why there was so much lag)

Now I wanna know who played as ReDSpaZy.

Originally Posted by R3p

shaney im amking sense the XsD clan ws all so in 2003

Prove. (Anakin was a faker, he was still known as BunnyElmer back then. He probably opened two different JJ2 windows, and that might explain why there was so much lag)

Now I wanna know who played as ReDSpaZy.

well that thing i can awnser cause ReDSpaZy was a name sometimes still used by yasco , and i know yasco is ReDSpaZy

Originally Posted by Stijn

Let's count how many times Vegito says "OMFG" per post.

Anyway, although I doubt CC will believe us and anyone else will care, I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.

And I was really expecting more

I second the declaration.

And I too was kind of hoping for something that would provide a good read throughout the entire month of October. How disappointing

Originally Posted by shaney

well that thing i can awnser cause ReDSpaZy was a name sometimes still used by yasco , and i know yasco is ReDSpaZy

true, but i think that somebody else played for him.

Well I think everyone thought these facts about the rest of us would be more important community wise. But hey, C-C had the right to do it, and if our ideal is revealing truth, I'm all for it. Some examples are a bit old as well, but nevertheless.
I applaud Chippie for his solution to the main reason this whole flame war started, he has really shown us all that he is clearheaded and is a worthy successor to Reptile. I'm sure C-C and VS who lost their crown(DM didnt, they're still the 1st in the world atm), can regain it in the next tournament, because their warteams are definetly among the best out there, C-C's lately even more so.
Another positive thing about this discussion is that we all realised, that the tournaments that up till now were more or less regular, have gone lose. I'm sure the community can cope with this, since we have some great programmers amongst our ranks as well. I'm sure the JDC crew and JJ2wc crew will have new and handy gadgets to make sure the tournament is fair for all, and played without any cheats and with real players.
The Cracco clan who was under the spotlights this time round, hasn't really been treated too unfairly in the end. Sure some people may think less of them, and they've lost the crown. But trust can be regained through time and righteous actions, and the crown is definetly within their reach next january.
We've learned of some saucy details about some other clans and people as well. What has proven to be quite difficult in this debate is, whether the actions of an individual can be generalised with the whole clan. The answer is without doubt no, unless that person is the clan leader, or one higher in the clans hierarchy. TF, for example, is definetly one of the friendliest clans, with some individuals that are so calm, and reasonable, that I can only envy them. And make no mistake, I do envy them. Yet one of its members was accused of helping out another clan, by changing his nick, and playing for them. A stupid, and irresponsible action, that could hurt the reputation of this persons clan. But I'm sure we all agree, that we can't generalise this on the whole of TF, right? Right. Leaders can't know about everything that their members do. But they should try, and they should warn their members, should they know about such or other plots.
Also I would like to applaud yasco, for admitting what he did. Trust me, it aint easy. And I can tell you from talking with him, he isn't a bad person, that's one thing I'm sure of(if I can judge who a good person is, after doing what I did). Because as I said, he felt bad about what he did, which proves he has a conscience. I think some1 said, that he must be a bad person as well(maybe in a diff topic), well he might be a bit confused and silly at times, but he's a heck of a jj2 player, and a heck of a person as well.
Now I'm out of this whole thing as well. Have a civil and on topic conversation people. And remember, having peace for all cost isn't the way to go, things have to be discussed. It's the same as, for example, a person holding his feelings inside for too long. It has to come out sooner or later. And when it comes, it comes with a boom, and usually not for the good of that person. The same goes for some people/organisations involved here. But heck I think we've all learned some valuable lessons, or so I hope.
HF

lubya urbs ;>

But ani doesnt
Ohh well I gues I deserve it...

I cant see you at msn, urbs >O Why does he not like you?:S

He says I'm in trouble, and thats indirectly saying something is going to happen to me(and yasco)... ohh well, I think I said im out of this.
Never had a strong personality

Originally Posted by [GpW]Urbs

And make no mistake, I do envy them.

*blushes* It's too much!

How do u know I meant u?

Originally Posted by Chapter 2

Sasik used his position as host well, so he could let his clanmate Sylver fake Seph and Gry. Shocking ! Using Cooba's words: "Seriously, what kind of a leader is he if he lets his own clan cheat like this?".

hahahaha Chiyu (PA)

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

Originally Posted by Urbs

How do u know I meant u?

I thought you meant the TF clan, which I represent

*applauds Urbs*

well ur excluded cuz u lost the election, so nya

Stop generalizing, all... Ask me for a 2v2 on msn, quickly, before I leave.

So when was that new chatlog saved?

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

So when was that new chatlog saved?

Yes but have you considered Michael Moore's feelings about the situation?

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

So when was that new chatlog saved?

the new chatlog is from the #jj2 channel yesterday

Originally Posted by shaney

the new chatlog is from the #jj2 channel yesterday

You haven't been considering Michael Moore's thoughts about the situation, shame.

Guan Yu will have your head.