Originally Posted by St. Louis

And Stijn, hold a CTF vs. Battle poll to see what I mean.

Interestingly, a poll gauges opinions, not facts.

i think it's both hard, battle levels get underrated imo

Originally Posted by Birdie

Do you make levels? :l
Also, I do find battle levels harder to make, and I believe they have to be higher quality to be considered the same quality as another ctf level.

Wait, so you hint that I'm wrong, then you agree with me? That's just vicious.

Originally Posted by IconGuy

Wait, so you hint that I'm wrong, then you agree with me? That's just vicious.

I wasn't hinting that you're wrong, but I was questioning you, since you say they're harder to make, yet I'm not sure weather you even make levels.

I have made a hotel back in the begining of 2007 (well these are easy to make [wait I think you helped me]), I do have an old crappy unfinished ctf level, a begining of another one, and some battle levels that are (-). I wanna make some new levels but I don't have the time.

And It's kinda common sense to think that making half a level then make the same thing on the other side is easier then making the whole level.

Originally Posted by Stijn

Interestingly, a poll gauges opinions, not facts.

Nothing can be deemed a fact about this. It is a question of opinion, after all.
That's the entire point.

@ Iconguy: Doing half a level and flipping it to do the other side is just... wrong.
Avoid doing that, at least.

Originally Posted by St. Louis

Nothing can be deemed a fact about this. It is a question of opinion, after all.
That's the entire point.

@ Iconguy: Doing half a level and flipping it to do the other side is just... wrong.
Avoid doing that, at least.

QQ seems to be quite popular

Originally Posted by St. Louis

Nothing can be deemed a fact about this. It is a question of opinion, after all.
That's the entire point.

Sure, but saying "CTF is also the better gametype quite clearly." makes it sound like you're presenting it as a fact, which it indeed is not

No, I was referring to it being (much) more popular, of course.

Edit: sorry, I tend to mix finnish 'ways of saying things' into english, will try to change that.

Originally Posted by IconGuy

And It's kinda common sense to think that making half a level then make the same thing on the other side is easier then making the whole level.

I hope you know that there are unsymetrical ctf levels, also, many symetrical ctf levels don't use symetrical eyecandy. Also, about your QQ argument, BBlair, and semi (probably the most played ctf levels, they're also unsymetrical) seem quite popular (although I hate them).

Originally Posted by Birdie

I hope you know that there are unsymetrical ctf levels, also, many symetrical ctf levels don't use symetrical eyecandy. Also, about your QQ argument, BBlair, and semi (probably the most played ctf levels, they're also unsymetrical) seem quite popular (although I hate them).

Even unsymmetrical ctf levels need balance, it's like a guideline that makes placement easier.

well there's a difference between mask-symmetry and placement-symmetry. E.g. semi and bblair have neither. Many levels have placement, but no mask symmetry, and then theres levels that have both (like KMC e.g.). Right now, i can't think of a case with placement-, but no mask-symmetry.

Originally Posted by Unhit

well there's a difference between mask-symmetry and placement-symmetry. E.g. semi and bblair have neither. Many levels have placement, but no mask symmetry, and then theres levels that have both (like KMC e.g.). Right now, i can't think of a case with placement-, but no mask-symmetry.

I thuoght YOU made Nightfall in Noobland, lol.

Originally Posted by IconGuy

I thuoght YOU made Nightfall in Noobland, lol.

i did make it, yeah. why?

oh right

rofl XD
stupid me lalala

Originally Posted by St. Louis

@ Iconguy: Doing half a level and flipping it to do the other side is just... wrong.
Avoid doing that, at least.

That's what's called "symmetry"

No, that's being lazy and/or inept at making symmetry.

He propably meant the easy way of flipping, the f key.

Bleh, flipping the tiles can be useful at points in time, if you want to make some cool eyecandy effects, or whatever. But beware, it can get dangerous, if you know what I mean.

When did this thread shift to being all about making a hypothetical level?

I think it should work... Well this is part of my new race level. It has many shortcuts and stuff, I just thought I'd add a part of the level that looks hot. Also, The level mainly uses those blue cargo tiles in the level.

On a side note, no you do not play as the frog. I just thought it'd look cool.

frog race is a fun idea though

y wtf, i thought i had posted that. well idd it does

Going to upload my (finally) finished WoC pack soon ^^.

... Which is just wonderful news.
I'll make sure to review it as thoroughly as possible.

ok, let's get back into this treat as it used to be =d
this is an level i'm working on
the tileset is diamondus with diamondus B garden pallette



i hope u like it =)

** btw, crimiclown, that picture looks like u got some kinda poop on your finger

Time for 2 screenshots of the latest level from my pack:

Looks nice FawFul and DS

Originally Posted by FawFul

(lost ctf game)

it seems familiar :l

? srry to say but err.. bird i really don't understand what u just sayed..
lost ctf game? i never said anything in my post about those words i even dunno what you mean

Birdie meant to say that your screenshot reminds you of this.

Take cover! The tree spam is coming.

And DS, that looks nice, it looked almost as nice when I last saw it.

DS, you need a lot more variety in the plain "dirt" walls. There are a lot of areas where you're obviously using the same tile over and over, and there are two different variations of that, even besides anything else you could shove onto walls, and the edges look pretty sterile too. Other than that, pretty interesting.

DS can't let go of his style.

Originally Posted by St. Louis

Take cover! The tree spam is coming.

i have to take this as a compliment or not ?

*btw i already put away almost all tree's in the foreground so it don't gets annoying when ur playing

Played both levels online and they're nice. (ofc they were unfinished.)

Coming soon: screens of some other battle level, a "sequel" to an old, unfinished, (-)y ctf.

Originally Posted by FawFul

i have to take this as a compliment or not ?

not

I'm going to make a level of my own using my own tileset. I'm making a techno tileset.

I told you guys, this is the year of tilesets.

I'll just go ahead and expect much, as usual