Why don't we just sign a petition or show EPIC how many devoted Jazzers there are by showing them our forum?

What would every sane person choose in todays life for games? Those choices are very real, and are 1000 times more advanced than the puny Unreal Engine Jazz 3 is going to use, that excludes the fact that the people workig on these games are the BEST IN THE WORLD [/B]

Are you referring to the engine extension Jazz 3 was going to use, or the actual Unreal Engine altogether? The Unreal Engine happens to be one of the most versatile and potentially powerful engines out there, in reality. Although, the remainder of your point does remain intact. ;-P

Originally posted by Redboy
Why don't we just sign a petition or show EPIC how many devoted Jazzers there are by showing them our forum?

Okay, Let me ask this in reply to it.

Did we all re-sign up or was it all taken from the old JCF/JMMB and dumped here?

If Yes, then scratch your idea Red.
If No, then WHAT AN IDEA!

True, the Unreal engine is one of the most advanced and versatile blah blah blah... but it's only the Unreal Engine.

A new unreal engine was made for Unreal 2 and an even improved one for Unreal Warfare, thus these engines will over-power the original Unreal Engine and would be the preferred choice for gamers everywhere. See my point?

The latter two games are essentially higher builds of the original engine. Of course, as time goes on, various engines may have easily passed what the Unreal Engine used to be, but the engine, at heart, is the same one. Of course, it is given that it will be far more powerful than before, but the new build comes off the original, and so, it is still the Unreal Engine.

By the time a game using an older build of the engine is released, it will be overlooked all too quickly. Then again, a game is a game, not that it would ever be made and fully released at all.

Why don't we make an RPG on Jazz, call it Jazz 3, we could get noogy to make the charas and the monsters and maybe have another person make the sounds and somebody to figure out how to convert mods and it's to midi...use the current jj3 soundtrack. It'd be cool, and a way to make it without ANY idea how to make a program, get (W).

It is pirated, but what you gonna do when it's only in Japanese and Russans, Germans, Americans, French, English, etc. want it? it's gotta be pirated. BTW, the real site of it is www.ascii.com...I think...

RM2k is powerful, but in the right hands it is done extremely well. Check it out, and the total dl is about 16-17 megs. And that's not with the RTP expansion...

Derby: URL-reference removal. Make sure you don't post links to "warez" programs, sites, etc.

Hey, There's already a community full of people who have this program, even some people from the JJ2 community. Case and Point: KJAZZ. I have seen him there. although many think that pirated software is and each to his own. So we have illegal software, So What. You might have have something illegal on your computers, sometimes just a person's level that they don't want you to have, program somebody don't want you to have (Case and point Me Vs. Kaz...) etc.

So here ya go again... (W)

--Phoneix

Derby: URL removal. Make sure you don't post this again. Your point is invalid, as well, since it has a very large margin of error. This is a warning.

Once again, I agree with Derby.

But even though we are talking about engines and such, it just takes us away from the main point.

Jazz isn't an RPG or a FPS or a Strategy etc. It's a platform game, and there is no chance that a platform game will make a good RPG blah blah blah. Why do you like Jazz anyways? Did you ever think of that? Why would you buy JJ3 instead of any other RPG/FPS/Third Person that is at an even higher quality than the game in every aspect. Think about it. If Jazz 2 was a FPS game, you wouldn't think twice before buying Unreal, Quake or Half-Life that are much better games. Jazz 2 was the only platform game on the pc, and a VERY good one, and that is why you bought the game (if not then the fact that you're not playing some other amazing game out at the moment scares me).

Platform games can be 3D, Sonic Adventure 2 is a great 3D platform game (if not the best). Crash Bandicoot is another one and the list goes on. Those games still sell loads of copies and are major contributors to their publishers and the gaming market. Of course Jazz 2 has a lot more action than those puzzle solving games, but times are changing, and soon you will see players getting bored of jumping from platform to platform killing the occasional enemy and want a bit more action. It is exactly for that reason that Serious Sam was made, and why ID is making Doom 3. Epic might just take that opportunity to re-introduce Jazz, but right now it's not likely.

In the mean time (like I said already), just play Jazz 2 while you can.

True, It's a Platform game, but there's one thing that made it decline from the shelves: STORY. If there can be a story in the RPG, and there can be caverns and boom, we may have a platform

It is possible, just alot of coding expertese can make this done. It hasn't been done, so somebody's gotta break the ice, even if it looks like .

Take a crack at it.

P.S. Derb, hate to go off-topic but, the site was not warez, it was just a translation and he made a site on it. It does have good stuff, and it does look pretty cool. Just take a look at it and see for yourself if it's (W).

Derby: URL removal. Re-read the JCF Terms of Agreement. You have made the same offense two times in a row; that is not a good thing.

Try and get Microsoft to publish it and I will come after you with a knife...er a huge giagantic BLASTER.

Back on subject:

Most of what has been said is very true.
Visit the 1.25 patch post and look at all the found bugs....that shows how lucky JJ2 was to get published in the first place.
WTG (World Tree Games) is a tiny company...therefore, they probably already have a new project and don't want to work on JJ3d anymore.

Eh...a millionare? *Lookz around at all his friends* Will they do?
But..no..seriously, I checked out their prices and all I can say is:

Even so, copyrights are nasty things with purposes. The copyrights that Epic holds against us are Jazz and Spaz. Dean (Noggy) owns the rights to Lori, and I bet he would let us use her.

So, got some cash, a lot of programmers, (we have plenty of beta testers )? Then maybe you can talk.

START A PUBLISHER? What sort of a nut are you? (don't take that personally )

You *do* realize what the publisher does, don't you?
They are the ones who manufacture and send out all those copies to all those stores. Plus, we would need multiple publishers (since our jazzers come from all over).

Why can't the demo be released? As someone said (Alberto I believe) it uses the UT Engine, so releasing it would mean to give out their UT Engine for free. =/

And, yea, G.O.D. games is dying/dead. With the new release of the Gamecube, XBox, and 2.x Ghz computers, JJ3d doesn't stand a chance.

Honey, what do you want for Christmas?
I want
1. PS2
2. Gamecube
3. XBox
4. Super computer
5. JJ3d

What do you think the people are going to say?
The only chance would be if you could get some super popular publisher who could basically advertise for us.

Take a game like Starcraft for example (my brother is playing it )
When you log on, there are like a trillion people everywhere. The number of games is endless, and incredibly laggy since so many people are on it.

Now compare:
When you log on, there are a couple of dedicated servers and possibly a non-idle server. There are a few - 40 people on.

See what I mean?

Also, Blizzard (SC's maker) advertised it a ton, and it is a "Teen" game, (actually rated 'Mature' for no real reason..), I mean, almost everyone has heard of Starcraft, but if you did a school-wide or even nation-wide or EVEN WORLD-WIDE survey of JJ2...the response is going to just be us.

Welcome to reality...

Heh, Starcraft KICKS!

Starcraft sucks. My brother has been screwing my server up all morning with Starcraft.
Back on subject:

We don't stand a chance (not sure if I've already said this...) now that Gamecube and XBox (Microsoft still must die.) have been released. They are becoming very popular very fast. My parents are against platforms and I just saw a hidden Gamecube for Christmas yesterday. Our only hope would be one of these, however, Nintendo is interested in the best quality blah blah blah...so it would take too long. Microsoft is...well...Microsoft. As they call it "the most powerful piece of machinery" (The XBox that is), chances are they wouldn't want to use some engine so "puny" compared to their ultimate creation. (Could you hint the sarcasm in my voice?)

Plus, look at it this way, with only 1/2 a year until the release of the JJ2 source code, and JJ2 was made in 1998 (only 3 years ago), it doesn't make sense to publish the trequel to a game which "sold" for 3/4 years, then was released.

*sigh* Plus, if they were to make it, it would be entirely redone I bet. And as Disguise has been telling us (but seems as if nobody is listening) the storyline/age group of the game is simply childish compared to all the very violent and bloody games that our world is plagued with now.

Jazz3 would have been the ultimate game, if they had only said YES. They (meaning G.O.D. Games) died/is dying anyway, they could have wasted just a bit more on JJ3d for our sake.

Truth to truth, JJ3d will never be finished. I feel that eventually (actually pretty soon) the Unreal Engine will be outdated enough that they will (hopefully) release the demo publically.

I have visited Epic's site several times, and I don't see any updates. I think that Epic is either A. Dying or B. Working on some new top secret project.

~SB

Spaz Boy said:
I have visited Epic's site several times, and I don't see any updates. I think that Epic is either A. Dying or B. Working on some new top secret project.

B. Working on some new (not-so) top secret project.

I was hoping they were dying.