I already asked authors of Putrid Monkey Strikes Back! And The Lost World episode yet neither have given it to me. Who else has it?

EDIT:Pageclaim!

Try asking the author of Time Tripping, but if he can't help you, then you might be out of luck.

I don't think Violet will give it to you, but you could at least try.

Originally Posted by LittleFreak

I don't think Violet will give it to you, but you could at least try.

Seeing as he doesn't have it, I doubt it as well.

.j2e2 files > all.

If he doesn't have it, how could he make the j2e-file for Time Tripping?

Who says that he was the one to make a .j2e?

I asumed so.

I find it wonderful how you always talk in riddles and need several posts to share a small piece of information with your fellow forum visitors. At least you give the impression to know everything but don't want to share tour intel.

Anyway, Cell has it too, I believe.

Is it possible to PM every single user of J20 and JCF?

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

Is it possible to PM every single user of J20 and JCF?

If you'd do that I hope you'd get banned.

No, it isn't, unless you want to send (total number of JCF users/5) PMs with the same text.

DX did it. (If he was the one PMing about his forum.)

EDIT: Now here's a real question: Why won't people give it out? Even if we made tons of rules like getting banned if you hosted a J2E of rating less than 8. It makes no sense.

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

DX did it. (If he was the one PMing about his forum.)

You mean on J2O? It's possible to select as many users as you want there. It's not as easy on the JCF though.

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

Now here's a real question: Why won't people give it out? Even if we made tons of rules like getting banned if you hosted a J2E of rating less than 8. It makes no sense.

If they give it to you, others want it aswell.

So what!? If others want it, let them have it!

If everybody has it J2O will get flooded with bad packs using custom j2e files.

We're going around in circles here. And pretty soon ZAPPER will reply with:
"Have a rule that bans .j2e packs on J2O!" or some rule like that.

You're right. It won't lead to anything, thus I'll stop argueing. I don't have the programm anyways.

2 nOOb: Did you read the previous posts? I already said that!

All right, If I post my pack, and it deserves a custom J2E file, (for whatever reason), will you give it to me? I would then rerelease it as a J2E. Deal?

P.S. My levelpack will be over 30 levels most likely because of switching between planets.

EXACTLY! What I'm saying is we're going in circles, because someone has ALREADY said that everyone will want the .j2e creator and flood the J2O downloads the .j2e files!
MAN! People need to pay attention.

Zapper, odds are you will never get this J2E creator. Mainly because of the fact that no one has it.

Yes, that's right. No one has it. The really nice levels go to Epic, and they make it for us. And then, they make all these JJ2 patches you hear so much about.

@ nOOb: And you need to listen to me!

EDIT: And I think nobody else wants it because I am the only one who asked for it.

Originally Posted by LittleFreak

It's maybe unfair, but if it wasn't there J2O would get flooded with thousands of episodes with j2e files.

@ Zapper: The problem is, if you are given the programm, everyone else wants it too.

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

Then why don't we just make a "no posting J2E files" rule for J2O? And I've had Jazz 2 since I was about 8, been making ok levels since I was 9, and I've played J2E's worse than my episode I am making right now. (At least from my point of view.) So, why not give it out? It makes perfect sense to me.

And recently:

Originally Posted by LittleFreak

If everybody has it J2O will get flooded with bad packs using custom j2e files.

Which is why I said you'd post something like that because obviously we are running in circles.

And finnaly: Give up. I had reasons here but they may offend you, and NO ONE wants to read that many caps locked letters in a row about something relating to a bunny game.

I do not have the episode maker program. If you can wait a few days, I will try to help you - and everyone else, I guess - with this, but I can't promise anything.

I think the idea that withholding a JJ2 episode creating program is a bit selfish (at the exact same level as withholding the automated foo hotel program). How much harm does it actually do?

This program has nothing to do with me. I don't even want it and I can't think up a reason why I should want it. Zapper's need for this program has also got nothing to do with me, but I am too shocked and angered by what I've seen you guys write in this thread that I have no choice but to defend Zapper's request. I know this is program is copyrighted by someone, and I know that it is up its creator to choose who gets his program. However, if this program is supposed to be in such few hands, the situation is in desperate need for a change.

'The pen can be used for such a wide variety of beautiful writing, but few ppl can actually write well with it. The rest just use it to doodle on their exercise books and write total crap and nonsense. To prevent this, the freely available pen should now be exclusively available only for good writers, and those who do own one are encouraged to protect it, for personal use only, at all times.'

This is ridiculous. If the program is legal and not used for, say, cheating in multiplayer, distribute it, don't keep it to yourself. The community is small enough as it is, and these programs are only drawing useless boundaries between its members: those who have it, and those who don't. So what, if the episodes people release is soooo awfully, awfully bad? I think some of the newer lvls are of pretty disgusting quality too, but they are not mine, they are someone else's, someone who deserves a right to do what they want to do. Some newer lvl creators are so worried that what they do is not good enough, that they actually steal good ideas, and even lvls, from others rather than make their own. If they think that these tools help them, then let them have what they want. If someone won't stand up for them, who will? Me? What can I do? This is a fundamental problem that needs to be amended by, and for, the community, and it's not just something lying there, waiting for some individual to come and solve it.

^^^

Agreed. I still don't have it though.

The main arguement I've heard against distributing the episode maker is that JJ2 can only handle a small amount of episodes before it crashes (8 I think). This would be very confusing for people new to the game, when after unzipping another level pack JJ2 refuses to work properly.

Then again, you get people who upload levels to J2O and mark them all as "hide from home cooked levels", or even worse, mark none of them as "hide from home cooked levels" and use great big 50-character filenames. And then password them, so you can't clean up the mess without deleting the levels. Oh, and then they forget some tilesets, but don't tell you, so you only find out when you're halfway through the pack and JJ2 dies on you.

To White Rabbit and LittleFreak: Thanks for actually sticking up for me.

EDIT: To BoggyB: I completely agree. I've had problems like that.

To all: The point is, White Rabbit is right. Just because someones not good doesn't mean that they shouldn't get something. This reminds me of my school. I'm not good at say.... baseball, so nobody wants me to play and everybody wants to point that out. Nobody wants to help though. To put it more extreme then with pens, heres another scenario:

A guy is bad at keeping his house clean, so the government takes it away, and now he is homeless, sleeping in a box, scrounging for fries in a garbage can.

Extreme, yet getting the point across. And if someone has special needs, you don't leave them in the dark and surround those with good gestures who are completely fine. That's mean. I know I am just repeating White Rabbit but he's got a good point!

It's hard not to withhold a program you don't have, White Rabbit. And I had no idea announcer was being private. I send it to anyone who aks me for it... which, admittedly, is nobody.

*doesn't read the foo products forums very often*

There was a whole thread, with screenshots just to make ppl drool, about the Announcer in the Fooproducts forums, before it got updated or something.

And besides, I was really writing for everyone and for all JJ-related programs, not simply trying to convince a select few to make their .j2e creators more easily available.

What's the Announcer?

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

What's the Announcer?

The Announcer.

You're telling me.

Stop talking riddles!

EDIT: I think there should be a rule about talking in riddles. DON'T

The announcer is a program developed by people who I will kepe names withheld. It's a program that simply tracks when rabbits reach a certain set of coordinates. It then logs it, and if you have the option set, will announce it in game. (Through the player who is using it.) However, the logs it makes are rather buggy and are often inaccurate.

And if anyone bothered to read that article, they would see the argument about why it's a good idea to keep it under wraps. In fact, I shall quote it.

Originally Posted by Me

Well, we can only hope not. Think about all the bad ideas and hopes and dreams it would spawn.

The hotel version, if released, would do just as Black Ninja said. So, would you want a buch of **** hotels made from a Hotel Heroes tileset + the announcer, or would you just rather see a few good hotels using the program with their own tilesets, original ideas, etc? I personally, vote the latter.

Heck, just think on what would happen to the already disliked TSF community. I can see a downward spiral on people's liking of TSF already. Oh, the humanity.

And if anyone cares to see it, you're welcome to right here: http://fooproducts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=102

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

Stop talking riddles!

EDIT: I think there should be a rule about talking in riddles. DON'T

Cooba always speaks like that. No one ever figured out why though.

I'm going away for 2 weeks, so please don't expect an answer.

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

I think there should be a rule about talking in riddles. DON'T

That would be the dumbest rule ever.

No, it would make things easier. (And I meant excluding the War Tavern and miscellaneous and forum games sections.)

What we realy need is like..the source code for jazz 2 then have like a scroll bar for episodes, and then fix up the bugs.

Anyways, I think this community has some "Mine and not yours" problem. If something is good or fun or something they tend to spread it to thier friends.

Like the Jazz 3 Demo. People who have it say "It's warez" but they still own it. It's like saying "You shouldn't burn CDs" but still own a couple of your own.

Although, the J2e. maker thing isn't warez they still won't give it out. How's about people make it so the first level is in the Homecooked list AND the regular list, so if you delete the J2e. file it will be fine. And if the level won't let you do that....delete it all.

P.S. THis post probably won't change anything. I'm just saying what I think.

I'm one of the people most avidly opposed to spreading the Jazz 3 demo, and one of the most militant about it, and I do not have it, nor have I ever had it. I've once seen it from afar with people in front of it, but have gone no further.

Originally Posted by ZAPPER

No, it would make things easier. (And I meant excluding the War Tavern and miscellaneous and forum games sections.)

Ah, well it may make an ok rule, I'm still not fond of the idea.