I wish we did ignore him. But why not just ban the little (-)? If whoever was in charge of that thought of : I SHOULD LET LOADS OF PEOPLE LEAVE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF (PA) ADEEL AND THASPAZ (Apparently) OR SHOULD I BAN HIM AND MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY? Well one thing i have to say.. Im pretty ashamed that the servers are just acting like this.. In my opinion. If it were power abuse.. He wouldn't have done much. If it is power abuse.. Im wrong. But still, Why do we still have to put up with this? You can just ban him and not have to worry about all this rubbish about people upset?

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

Just keep him banned. Period. He broke the rules, he shall witness the power of punishment... >D

*claims page*

if hes ban period is over, and he will crash again? he will be banned again?

It must be proven that it is him crashing, and not someone else framing him.

Originally Posted by vegito

I just hate the ones who want him back, and have no idea what they want back.
People who dont know his "power" should shut up. -_-

Do I want him back? No.
Do I think he should be banned for maliciously crashing servers? Yes.
Do I think he should stay banned beyond the original time period? No.

There are significant differences between those questions, and the intentions behind them.

What BoggyB said!

Originally Posted by BoggyB

Do I want him back? No.
Do I think he should be banned for maliciously crashing servers? Yes.
Do I think he should stay banned beyond the original time period? No.

There are significant differences between those questions, and the intentions behind them.

Do you think its useless to unban him, and then gather info again, to get to the conclusion he still crashes, and then ban him again? I do. I did it once, twice even. My principles stop me from doing it a 3th times.

If you want him banned from the network as a whole, put any evidence you have into this thread:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showt...t=13624&page=5

The outcome of that thread will either be Orbitz banned, or lack of proof and he be free to crash as he wishes.

Originally Posted by vegito

Do you think its useless to unban him, and then gather info again, to get to the conclusion he still crashes, and then ban him again? I do. I did it once, twice even. My principles stop me from doing it a 3th times.

lol maan gr8 princips

Originally Posted by Grytolle

lol maan gr8 princips

I dont ask for your opinion about my princips.

I just dont see any reason to unban Orbitz, espescially not after the way he did to me a few days ago. (Saying he'd crash servers again and whatever till he got unbanned or something like that)

Originally Posted by vegito

Do you think its useless to unban him, and then gather info again, to get to the conclusion he still crashes, and then ban him again? I do. I did it once, twice even. My principles stop me from doing it a 3th times.

If something is agreed among all members of a certain group, do you think that individual members of that group should stick to the agreement and not change their part of it without consulting the rest of the group?

Originally Posted by BoggyB

If something is agreed among all members of a certain group, do you think that individual members of that group should stick to the agreement and not change their part of it without consulting the rest of the group?

Look at the polls result. 10 out of 35 people agree on not banning him anymore.
"Yeah, you can protect your server" - No, some people cant, newbies won't play jj2 then anymore, because they don't know that they can protect their server, so, easy target. And I, myself can't protect my own server with nimmy's tool because Norton Internet Security blocks it. I don't think I'm the only one with norton here.
There's like no way to protect jj2 from Orbitz and his gang without banning them.

Vegito, if there is evidence Orbitz has crashed servers since he's been unbanned, he will be banned. If there's not, he won't. If requiring the tiniest bit of evidence before sentencing someone to a punishment seems unfair to you, I hope you will never become a judge.

If you want him banned from the network as a whole, put any evidence you have into this thread:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showt...t=13624&page=5

The outcome of that thread will either be Orbitz banned, or lack of proof and he be free to crash as he wishes.

Shorter Nimrod: "If there's evidence someone is guilty, that's good. If there's no evidence, well, he's still guilty and he will go around doing bad things, thanks to that bad thing called 'requiring evidence."

I really hope no-one here (except a select few) will become judge.

Originally Posted by Fquist

Vegito, if there is evidence Orbitz has crashed servers since he's been unbanned, he will be banned. If there's not, he won't. If requiring the tiniest bit of evidence before sentencing someone to a punishment seems unfair to you, I hope you will never become a judge.



Shorter Nimrod: "If there's evidence someone is guilty, that's good. If there's no evidence, well, he's still guilty and he will go around doing bad things."

I really hope no-one here (except a select few) will become judge.

Your posts are still breaking the tables.

Either there is evidence that you are doing so, and you will be banned for that, or there isn't evidence for it and you will be banned anyway.





Or something.

Originally Posted by Fquist

Vegito, if there is evidence Orbitz has crashed servers since he's been unbanned, he will be banned. If there's not, he won't. If requiring the tiniest bit of evidence before sentencing someone to a punishment seems unfair to you, I hope you will never become a judge.

I really hope you wont become a judge for freeing someone to early.
Look, someone who murders someone, gets caught, he goes to jail for lets say.. 10 years. He comes free, murders someone again, you know what happens then?
His punishment will be MUCH harder then the first one, much bigger. Because he cant learn. How many times do we need with Orbitz before that happens? This is the 3th time he's free already.

Edit: crap, its 3rd veg, its 3rd ;.;

Vegito, Monolith has clearly stated that he'll ban Orbitz if he does anything bad again.

It's just that, to prove that, you need something called 'evidence'. Once that is provided, this guy from your misguided analogy WILL be given another sentence. Monolith has stated thus.

But for that you first need to prove the guy actually committed another crime when out of jail. The judge from your analogy wouldn't throw someone back into jail for committing another crime without actual evidence it was that person, and not some random other guy. Evidence.

Evidence evidence evidence evidence evidence. Evidence. Look up the word.

Originally Posted by Fquist

Vegito, Monolith has clearly stated that he'll ban Orbitz if he does anything bad again.

It's just that, to prove that, you need something called 'evidence'. Once that is provided, this guy from your misguided analogy WILL be given another sentence. Monolith has stated thus.

But for that you first need to prove the guy actually committed another crime when out of jail. Evidence.

Evidence evidence evidence evidence evidence. Evidence. Look it up.

IF I give evidence, it's throwed away by some guy because it isn't "water tight"
People will always have something to say.

That's another thing altogether, an argument you can make when that has actually happened. The solution to your argument isn't to just ban anyone who looks remotely like a bad guy.

Originally Posted by vegito

Look at the polls result. 10 out of 35 people agree on not banning him anymore.

I was not referring to the poll result with my post. I was in fact referring to the original agreement and public statement by the listserver council (posted by Nimrod), which stated an end date for the ban of 30th November 2005, with extensions should Orbitz continue to crash servers. Since no extensions were announced, I would consider it safe to assume the the agreement did not change. Either that, or there has been a large breakdown in communication.

"Yeah, you can protect your server" - No, some people cant, newbies won't play jj2 then anymore, because they don't know that they can protect their server, so, easy target. And I, myself can't protect my own server with nimmy's tool because Norton Internet Security blocks it. I don't think I'm the only one with norton here.
There's like no way to protect jj2 from Orbitz and his gang without banning them.

I can think of lots of ways of protecting JJ2 from Orbitz without banning him. Examples include patching the bug in JJ2 (Unknownfile is doing a great job with his bugfixing), or sending abuse reports to his ISP.

Originally Posted by vegito

...This is the 3th time he [Orbitz] is free already.

Hang on, I thought he was only banned once?

You can, besides other measures, send abuse reports to ISP for any IP that is properly shown to have committed abuse (in an amount you could decide on). You could even make a tool that documents things like these and collects all reports at some location.

Originally Posted by Fquist

That's another thing altogether, an argument you can make when that has actually happened. The solution to your argument isn't to just ban anyone who looks remotely like a bad guy.

Who has been caught twice earlier, not so very long ago. Thats why he shouldnt have been unbanned.

Originally Posted by BoggyB

I was not referring to the poll result with my post. I was in fact referring to the original agreement and public statement by the listserver council (posted by Nimrod), which stated an end date for the ban of 30th November 2005, with extensions should Orbitz continue to crash servers. Since no extensions were announced, I would consider it safe to assume the the agreement did not change. Either that, or there has been a large breakdown in communication.

He was free one day, crashed so many servers with his m8 (Tha Spaz) that he was banned again the same day.

If you know for sure he's been caught, you will be able to provide evidence, and he will be banned again. If you cannot provide evidence, you can either not know for sure wether it's him, or you're gifted with supernatural abilities.

Im talking about earlier, not now. I'm not trying to get him anymore. It's useless anyways. Evidence won't be seen as evidence, since nothing is "water tight" anymore, some people said that, at least. Good way to make people not doing a (-) anymore, I must admit. And that person/those persons knows who he is.

Anyways, I'll just stop discussing this. I think its somewhat useless

Originally Posted by vegito

He was free one day, crashed so many servers with his m8 (Tha Spaz) that he was banned again the same day.

Hmm, I must have missed that. When did that happen?

The day in which I made screenshots and gathered proof that Orbitz was unbanned was at the 30th of october, 2005.

Okay, but let's go back on topic.

Well, I've had Orbitz, (or somebody pretending to be Orbitz, I havent checked his IP) in my server a few days ago, and I chose to give him a chance... He did try to crash the server, but fortunately I was able to block him. He was trying to recruit people for his Hax clan or whatever it is...