Most stupid topic. Ever.

pageclaim.

No. It's actually an intersting poll..

Looking at the results, not much...

Indeed.

Okay okay..

Originally Posted by Black Ninja

Changing resolutions above 640x480 is difficult. Personally, I've never gotten 1024x768 to work. However, I'm sure it's possible. I HAVE, however, played many nice long games running at 800x600. I even made a test menu edit at one point, but I can't find it sadly. Anyway, rest assured that I'll release my solution just like ID games releases their products - "when it's done."

Originally Posted by Hareking

Version 1.20 of the game had the ability to go 800x600. But on my old computer it didn't work very well, the screen turned 90 grades to the left.. And about this sweet poll, I voted for 640x480x16, like most of the Jazzers here. And about the 1024x768 resolution, I haven't ever heard of it, but it's interesting.

Looking at these two posts, it seems like Epic left support for 800x600 in 1.23, they just removed in-program access to it. I wonder why they took it out...

Actually my copy of 1.20 doesn't have support for 800x600

Originally Posted by n00b

Hello Captain Obvious, how else were you expecting to change it?
Some magical program to go BEEZIT and pop into your desktop?

Well, that sounds pretty stupid...
But I was expecting hacking, yes. I don't know anything about hacking/scripting/whatever, so I asked. I don't see the big deal about it.

What I'm saying is, 99% of the time to do something in JJ2 which it normally can't do, you have to hack it.
THe othe r1% you use a program that hacks it for you.

Originally Posted by n00b

Actually my copy of 1.20 doesn't have support for 800x600

Strange.. My one really had 800x600 support in the options menu before I updated it to 1.23, maybe it's only in the European version of the game, I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by Hareking

Strange.. My one really had 800x600 support in the options menu before I updated it to 1.23, maybe it's only in the European version of the game, I'm not sure.

There's no division on European and American in 1.20.

Thanks for the info. But still, it's strange..

Originally Posted by Hareking

Strange.. My one really had 800x600 support in the options menu before I updated it to 1.23, maybe it's only in the European version of the game, I'm not sure.

I've private messaged you. Please, respond asap.

Originally Posted by n00b

Actually my copy of 1.20 doesn't have support for 800x600

Hmm, odd. Hareking, do you have a copy of 1.20 with you (that is, a copy of 1.20 that's on, say, a hard drive, or a CD-ROM)? If so, reinstall it, and take a screenshot of 1.20 "supporting" 800x600.

Originally Posted by n00b

What I'm saying is, 99% of the time to do something in JJ2 which it normally can't do, you have to hack it.
THe othe r1% you use a program that hacks it for you.

Since the general population here doesn't understand the first thing about ASM code, I'd say it's the other way around.

Originally Posted by Odin

Since the general population here doesn't understand the first thing about ASM code, I'd say it's the other way around.

I meant programs as in JSD, JazzAdvantage, or PC4.

Originally Posted by n00b

I meant programs as in JSD, JazzAdvantage, or PC4.

As did I. Think about it, three people made those three programs, rights? each of them has hundreds of end-users.

Originally Posted by Odin

As did I. Think about it, three people made those three programs, rights? each of them has hundreds of end-users.

Ah, you're right. I'd still say a fair share of changing stuff in JJ2 requires hacking.

So, this morning I was screwing around with JJ2 and I got high resolutions to work. Like, perfectly. Even in-game! So yeah, I'll probably release a patch soon if I feel like it.

Good Job BN.
(If you release this patch i think there should some how be a way so that in certain levels we can specify it so you cant use higher resolution. Maybe as a server option or somthing)

I'm still against a patch for higher resolutions seeing as it is a fairly big issue with the potential to change how levels are played, particularly for online games. I think there should be more discussion before anything else is done.

let's poll it: just ask question: patch or no patch?

I hope it's going to be released, cuz, if everyone has it theres no real cheating

But not everyone will have it, for instance a lot of people don't seem to know there's a downloads section on J2O. Plus, if it is released, Mac users probably won't get a fix (though, I have gotten some results, who knows) making it unfair for them, despite how small a minority they make up. I'm sure there'll be other people with similar situations as well, it's not exactly as simple as saying "here you go, if you can't use it, too bad."

Originally Posted by Black Ninja

So, this morning I was screwing around with JJ2 and I got high resolutions to work. Like, perfectly. Even in-game! So yeah, I'll probably release a patch soon if I feel like it.

Cool!
I hope you release a patch soon.

I've done some more experiments, but JJ2 still changes it back to 640x480x8 every time I start the game for some reason.

Originally Posted by Sonyk

But not everyone will have it, for instance a lot of people don't seem to know there's a downloads section on J2O. Plus, if it is released, Mac users probably won't get a fix (though, I have gotten some results, who knows) making it unfair for them, despite how small a minority they make up. I'm sure there'll be other people with similar situations as well, it's not exactly as simple as saying "here you go, if you can't use it, too bad."

Following that logic Project Controller 4 should also be kept unreleased. Mac people can't use it, so don't release!!1

but PC4 doesnt really give an advantage, it's just a useful tool

640x480, No preferred color depth...

Originally Posted by Stijn

Following that logic Project Controller 4 should also be kept unreleased. Mac people can't use it, so don't release!!1

Controller is primarily meant to be a helpful tool used by the servers to ease the hosting. While it does allow some functionality to be used as clients, its not even nearly the number of features the server can use.

There has been a discussion on higher res jj2 in the past and from my experience people didn't like the idea. If a patch like this is released then it's only right that we make it available to everyone which may not be *that* easy to do. If it's not released then certain people will probably use/spread it anyway once its secretly made, but I guess we you won't know that for sure as long as the users keep quiet.

I wonder where Aiko is with his anti-jj2-high-res-whine spell this time. He's the one who disliked the idea most.

EDIT: Ugh BN! I'd like to talk to you on this subject.

Originally Posted by Overlord

I wonder where Aiko is with his anti-jj2-high-res-whine spell this time. He's the one who disliked the idea most.

How did I guess...

Jazz2 for Windows and Mac are probably similar as far as video goes, so it shouldn't be too hard to make a Mac version of the patch once there's a Windows version, should there? (I dunno, I know nothing about Macs)

No, AFAIK Macs don't support DirectDraw, which is part of Microsoft's DirectX :P

You know, I'd kind of forgotten that there was some debate on whether or not such a patch should ever be released. Before I do anything, I'm going to talk to Overlord and a few other people.

Before anyone says anything, I'd like to state for all to see that I have not and do not plan to distribute this to anyone at all, period.

Originally Posted by Black Ninja

Before anyone says anything, I'd like to state for all to see that I have not and do not plan to distribute this to anyone at all, period.

Good.

Originally Posted by Stijn

Following that logic Project Controller 4 should also be kept unreleased. Mac people can't use it, so don't release!!1

That's not what I was saying at all. It's just that some people would be unable to use it, and they might find it unfair. And if enough people side with them, it might be classified as cheating. Personally, I wouldn't care at all, but there would be some people that do, I'm sure.

And PC4 is a bad example, but let's refrain from going there.

I think the issue is less "should people be able to use higher resolutions", but more "should it be easy to use higher resolutions". If someone has the knowledge and the skills to find this out themselves (without using a trainer or a magic-cheat-finder-programs (like the Action Replay system)), then full marks to them. But if the world and his dog can download and use these programs, then it spoils the fun for everyone.

Other games have suffered a lot from this - e.g. in one of the Diablo games, if you want to play online you nowadays have to use a character creator and give yourself all sorts of souped-uped items to stand any chance of surviving someone else's attack, simply because everyone else does so.

To me, giving everyone a utility that lets them play at a higher resolution is comparable to giving everyone MegaWarp or something like that.

If you don't release it, it would be considered as an unfair advantage.

Besides, Boggy, JJ2 is not Diablo. I can't see how higher resolutions could ruin the game. If it changes the gameplay, sure, go for it. JJ2 is already boring and we need some challanges.

I think JJ2 will be so much better at a higher resolution!

Why would it Jerry?

Because you can see the enemys MILES MILES away... What makes the game no fun at all! You can see secret rooms, you can see special places... You want to go to that place.. but he! Its a secret, what will motivede to use the JJfly cheat en jjnoclip cheat...

So ya.. It will be MUCH better