Originally Posted by Violet CLM

It can, but I don't think it's clear what's actually being proposed.

• Remember that in 6.3 and below, the icon (asterisk) was on the right in CTF, DCTF, and FR, but on the left in JB, LRS, TLRS, and XLRS.
• In 6.4/6.5, the icon was always on the left.
• In the most recent test build, the 6.4/6.5 behavior is maintained as the most intuitive for new players, but the 6.3 behavior is emulated with the "ragged flags" option.

Suppose there is a single boolean setting, like most other settings. When the setting is off, I assume all icons are on the left. When the setting is on, flags are on the right, but what about padlocks and skulls?

To me, "universal" sounds like it would put padlocks/skulls on the right, but "classic" sounds like it would leave them both on the left. But Faw has endorsed both words.

It would make more sense if one setting puts them all to the left (detached), the other option all to the right (attached), and not cater towards how any of this was inconsistent in legacy versions. Some things were on the left, some things on the right. Mirroring past inconcistency will never turn the setting into how people want it. The inconsistency needs to be fixed and then the boolean should apply.

Instead of referring to 'classic', maybe just name it "Attach icons to playername" with "/attachplayericons on" with on as the new default. Message: "The game icons have been attached to your playername on the player list."

on by default because the CTF scene mostly wants it how icons for flags in CTF are displayed, and we can't dismiss that this is the biggest gamemode in multiplayer. So it makes sense to base it off that and not B-side gamemodes that aren't as popular like JB or LRS.

One more thing:
- Hiding spectators should with tab. It makes more sense to work that way, because tabbing is primarily to quickly glance at the in-game scores.

Welcome back Kev!

Originally Posted by t3Kev

- remove admin symbol on the left side, but add it to the right side

Admin/muted, yes

- player list now in the middle of the screen

It's adjusted a bit, I would hesitate to call it the exact middle, but yes

is that all correct?

Also,
-reduce player names' spacings to fit within a maximum width so that names/icons are less likely to overlap with scores
-use less horizontal space for drawing player numbers when only players 1-9 are present
-introduce an optional parameter to jjPLAYER::iconSet for icons that really need to be drawn to the left of player numbers

but the flag can get hidden behind objects (like inside the trees on Jungle's Edge). so it can be valuable to have the flag symbol still added there.

Ooh, another good point!

Originally Posted by FawFul

It would make more sense if one setting puts them all to the left (detached), the other option all to the right (attached), and not cater towards how any of this was inconsistent in legacy versions.

Thanks, that makes more sense to me too, but I wasn't sure from the preceding posts.

on by default because the CTF scene mostly wants it how icons for flags in CTF are displayed

No, the default should be whatever gives new players the most intuitive experience. Old players know how to change settings, new players should not be expected to be able to figure that out.

...unless there'd be some way to detect whether a player is updating from a previous version of JJ2+, and give them a different default based on that? hmmmm

- Hiding spectators should with tab. It makes more sense to work that way, because tabbing is primarily to quickly glance at the in-game scores.

I probably agree (if I know what "should with tab" means), but this should be a separate thread. In particular, it's somebody else's code.

Originally Posted by Violet CLM

No, the default should be whatever gives new players the most intuitive experience. Old players know how to change settings, new players should not be expected to be able to figure that out.

...unless there'd be some way to detect whether a player is updating from a previous version of JJ2+, and give them a different default based on that? hmmmm

Tbf, I really couldn't care too much about the default as long as the boolean is consistently left or consistently right. Imo let's not delay with community feedback over this.

I probably agree (if I know what "should with tab" means), but this should be a separate thread. In particular, it's somebody else's code.

You're right. Hiding spectators is Superjazz his code on github, I notified him there.