Duke Nukem: "Die, you ***********!"

*pageclaim*

Anyway, who actually cares if it is legal to send it to others. If you really want it, I'm sure you will get hold of it in a more uhm... unconventional way

Originally Posted by Unknown Rabbit

1. All you are saying is "I have no sense of morals or law and only do things according to whatever I feel most benefits me, myself and I.".
2. It only costs 10 dollars. For PC. People buy it.

Do I care? Maybe, and that's just because this is the best Jazz Jackrabbit game of all time. Otherwise, if JJ2 was from 94, I probably would have downloaded it. I don't really care if you or Spaztic or anyone else thinks I have no morals. I do what I do for my own purpose. And if you all want to constantly fight about illegal stuff and whatnot, you can go ahead to. But I willl only buy certain things, like I would download an Atari game, not buy it. I would buy a PS1 game, not download it.\

Originally Posted by Black Ninja

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = Yes
Download JJ1 = No.

I now have said all that needs to be said.

While as true as your statements may be, I think all of us will probably agree on statements 1 and 2. But some of us, like me, may argue on statements 3 and 4. So here's my view:

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = But I might do it anyway
Download JJ1 = Yes
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Indeed correct Fl@$h, i've come to the reasons that the game is too old. And, that I or anyone else would have legal cause to have the game, if they owned JJ2. It doesn't matter, if they have JJ2, as in a legally bought version of the game, they are strictly entitled to their copy of JJ1, as stated by the paper inside the box, and on the cover of the box in the corner.

Originally Posted by JJ Tublear

Do I care? Maybe, and that's just because this is the best Jazz Jackrabbit game of all time. Otherwise, if JJ2 was from 94, I probably would have downloaded it. I don't really care if you or Spaztic or anyone else thinks I have no morals. I do what I do for my own purpose. And if you all want to constantly fight about illegal stuff and whatnot, you can go ahead to. But I willl only buy certain things, like I would download an Atari game, not buy it. I would buy a PS1 game, not download it.\



While as true as your statements may be, I think all of us will probably agree on statements 1 and 2. But some of us, like me, may argue on statements 3 and 4. So here's my view:

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = But I might do it anyway
Download JJ1 = Yes
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Indeed correct Fl@$h, i've come to the reasons that the game is too old. And, that I or anyone else would have legal cause to have the game, if they owned JJ2. It doesn't matter, if they have JJ2, as in a legally bought version of the game, they are strictly entitled to their copy of JJ1, as stated by the paper inside the box, and on the cover of the box in the corner.

You can take this position, but you can not say that it is morally correct at the same time; what you are doing is illegal, bar none. The paper means you are entitled to a copy from Epic Megagames, not hAcKRAT_63.

~ Traft

Of course it's illegal, but all I mean is anyone with the paper desrves the copy of the game. I don't know who this hackrat is.

Epic won't make any money if I don't buy it, nor if I download it somewhere. What's the difference? :P

I wouldn't buy it if I saw it, I am just interested in seeing how it looks and plays.

I know someone, he bought Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (not TSF) and got JJ1 included, but when he found out TSF was out he downloaded a full version of that. For me that sounds illegal.

Alas, it is illegal. But I took into consideration the illegal facts that I downloaded TSF anyway. And that, it's not distributed in America, as my first reason. That all the other Jazz expansions were freeware, and that the game isn't even worth buying.

It's not worth it? You can't be bothered to shell out a few dollars in order to get a complete game, including online play, a level editor, multiple playable characters and access to hundreds of new levels once the included ones get old?

Originally Posted by Link

JJ1 is in exe format, which is not obsolete. It does require a patch to run on new computers, but many programs require patches. By your logic any program that needs a patch to run properly is exempt from copyright.

so by his standards JJ2 is also free to distribute, seeing as you need the 1.23 patch to play it online.

version 1.21 is legal to distribute? i highly doubt it.

VashtheStampede: That is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, the 1.23 patch is not a 3rd part patch is it? And you dont even need the patch to play the game even if it was. Get a brain you stupid morron.


My philosophy: downloading JJ1 does not harm EPic as it is no longer manufactured or sold.
Therefore downloading it does not demonstrate any lack of morals, however being against anyone downloading it or downloading it yourself is balatent stupidity.

[thread hijack] What is this PTPatch you speak of?[/thread hijack]

Originally Posted by

My philosophy: downloading JJ1 does not harm EPic as it is no longer manufactured or sold.

http://www.epicclassics.com/

Therefore downloading it does not demonstrate any lack of morals,

Yes it does. Whether or not it harms Epic, you are still stealing.

however being against anyone downloading it or downloading it yourself is balatent stupidity.

I found a new quote!

UR wins!

Originally Posted by

VashtheStampede: The 1.23 patch is not a 3rd part patch is it? And you dont even need the patch to play the game even if it was.

I assume you mean "third party". The 1.23 patch does not make the game free in 1.23 form whatsoever. It is a first party patch. Not that it matters. Unauthorized third party patches, such as crack patches, do not apply to this law for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by

My philosophy: downloading JJ1 does not harm EPic as it is no longer manufactured or sold.

The problem is that it still is sold in some places.

Originally Posted by

Therefore downloading it does not demonstrate any lack of morals,

It's still illegal, even if it wasn't hurting Epic, which isn't true.

Originally Posted by

however being against anyone downloading it or downloading it yourself is balatent stupidity.

More like blatant following of international laws. Your morals may say this is fine, but general population does not, nor does the law, which oftentimes justifies the general population. Just because you disagree with something does not mean it is stupid. It is hard to realize that for everyone, but it is something everyone needs to do.

~ Traft

*claps*

A few words to say.

Yes, most likely downloading and distributing JJ1 on the internet is illegal.

However, you cannot say that it hurts Epic in any way or form. In many cases, any JJ related product makes up a very small percent of Epic's total income.

So in the long run, is it right to download it? Lawfully, no. Morally, it depends.

Originally Posted by Shadow XZ

A few words to say.

Yes, most likely downloading and distributing JJ1 on the internet is illegal.

However, you cannot say that it hurts Epic in any way or form. In many cases, any JJ related product makes up a very small percent of Epic's total income.

So in the long run, is it right to download it? Lawfully, no. Morally, it depends.

I doubt Epic makes any money of JJ anymore.

I hate to pull out the old jumping off the bridge metaphor, so I won't; the fact remains that this is a bit too special. It's sort of like those people who drink bottled water and use cell phones will driving alone in the carpool lane in their giant, rollover-prone SUV because they are somehow entitled by breathing. Sure, a few people doing this does not hurt, but no one is any more entitled than anyone else to own a free copy. If you are, then everyone is. And there is no reason for you to be. I say "you" in general as being anyone - anyone, no matter who they are. If you truly care, write Epic and say you bought JJ2. If they give no reply, sue them or something. You could even get more money. Plus, you can sue people. Us Americans love doing that.

~ Traft

Originally Posted by Trafton

I hate to pull out the old jumping off the bridge metaphor, so I won't; the fact remains that this is a bit too special. It's sort of like those people who drink bottled water and use cell phones will driving alone in the carpool lane in their giant, rollover-prone SUV because they are somehow entitled by breathing. Sure, a few people doing this does not hurt, but no one is any more entitled than anyone else to own a free copy. If you are, then everyone is. And there is no reason for you to be. I say "you" in general as being anyone - anyone, no matter who they are. If you truly care, write Epic and say you bought JJ2. If they give no reply, sue them or something. You could even get more money. Plus, you can sue people. Us Americans love doing that.

~ Traft

Oh, that's great thinking. Let's all sue Epic. That won't do any damage... except maybe more than every person on earth downloading a copy of JJ1 (which is available for sale from Epic whether anyone buys it or not).

Originally Posted by Flamepanther

Oh, that's grate thinking. Let's all sure Epic. That won't do any damage... except maybe more than every person on earth downloading a copy of JJ1 (which is available for sale from Epic whether anyone buys it or not).

That was actually rambling sarcasm.

~ Traft

Originally Posted by Flamepanther

Oh, that's great thinking. Let's all sue Epic. That won't do any damage... except maybe more than every person on earth downloading a copy of JJ1 (which is available for sale from Epic whether anyone buys it or not).

Epic doesn't sell any JJ realated product anymore. Its Unreal this, Unreal that!

Originally Posted by Sun Fun Dude

Epic doesn't sell any JJ realated product anymore. Its Unreal this, Unreal that!

They don't make anything except Unreal. They pretty much don't sell anything at all directly. However Epic Classics still sells Jazz 1, I believe.

Incidentally, I don't think making versions of just one game is going to work forever... then again it's still pretty much working for id.

Some companies make too much out of one selling thing, they don't see the importantness in their other games. Some people love their games so much that they have all their lifestyle involved in it.

Originally Posted by Unknown Rabbit

It's not worth it? You can't be bothered to shell out a few dollars in order to get a complete game, including online play, a level editor, multiple playable characters and access to hundreds of new levels once the included ones get old?

Maybe if the game didn't have so many bugs it would be worth it.

Originally Posted by Trafton

I hate to pull out the old jumping off the bridge metaphor, so I won't; the fact remains that this is a bit too special. It's sort of like those people who drink bottled water and use cell phones will driving alone in the carpool lane in their giant, rollover-prone SUV because they are somehow entitled by breathing. Sure, a few people doing this does not hurt, but no one is any more entitled than anyone else to own a free copy. If you are, then everyone is. And there is no reason for you to be. I say "you" in general as being anyone - anyone, no matter who they are. If you truly care, write Epic and say you bought JJ2. If they give no reply, sue them or something. You could even get more money. Plus, you can sue people. Us Americans love doing that.

~ Traft

Your advise would get me in trouble with the law, .
Oh and another thing, SUVs wouldn't be so prone to rollover, if one did not abuse the car, and try to drive really fast or at rediculously fast speeds.

Originally Posted by Karmus

Some companies make too much out of one selling thing, they don't see the importantness in their other games. Some people love their games so much that they have all their lifestyle involved in it.

So true Karmus. Unreal has gone to Epic's head, I just saw that Cliffy B guy on G4 today, once again the topic was Unreal.

Originally Posted by JJ Tublear

Your advise would get me in trouble with the law, .

How so?

Originally Posted by JJ Tublear

So true Karmus. Unreal has gone to Epic's head, I just saw that Cliffy B guy on G4 today, once again the topic was Unreal.

Maybe because Unreal makes them money and JJ2 doesn't? I don't like it either, but it is still not an excuse for illegal activity.

~ Traft

Where are you talking about, copyricht,s ?

Originally Posted by Jazzyman

Where are you talking about, copyricht,s ?

I downloaded some of the games you made on J2O. I was expecting you to say something like this.

Originally Posted by JJ Tublear

Unreal has gone to Epic's head

Also on the main site you only see "Unreal", "Unreal ...", "Unreal *this*", "Unreal *that*".

Originally Posted by Karmus

Also on the main site you only see "Unreal", "Unreal ...", "Unreal *this*", "Unreal *that*".

Yeah Karmus I believe I already said that.

Originally Posted by Sun Fun Dude

Epic doesn't sell any JJ realated product anymore. Its Unreal this, Unreal that!

Distributing Jazz Jackrabbit as abandonware has and will always be(en) illegal, until Epic releases it as freeware, and that's only when it's downloadable on their site.

What about the shareware versions?

Look at the name. Shareware. It's free.

Originally Posted by Glaber

What about the shareware versions?

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Abandonware is an illegal definition of old games no longer being sold in shops can be downloaded for free on the Internet.
Demo is the same as shareware and can be downloaded on the game site. I don't think these can be sold.
Freeware is free stuff the author(s) have confirmed free to distribute and not to sell.
Full version is a complete version of a game. When you buy a game-cd.
Shareware is a shortened version of a game that the developer wants people to share with others so they will go buy the game and they can earn money. I also think that these can be sold for a cheap price. (I bought a shareware of Jazz Jackrabbit on a floppy (Jazz logo on the metal-*thing*) in a shop 8 years ago for a nickel.) Shareware is mostly replaced by demos today.
Trial versions of programs are often with a time limit (for example 30 days) or a max. use limit (for example 10 times open program). Some programs also have in example 1 hour use and when the 60 minutes have passed by the program will be shut down. They are also often with limitations as demo and shareware.
Warez is illegal distribution of full versions of games for free. For example through IRC, P2P, FTP or HTTP.
These were all different types I could come in thought of.

Abandonware - An illegal way to download games that are no longer sold in stores (but may or may not be sold on the Internet). Although many think it's legal, it's not. Not as illegal as warez, though.
Freeware - Full versions of games that are not sold and never will be sold. For example, Jetpack is freeware now.
Shareware - The old term for demo. Shareware is demo, and demo is shareware.
Demo - A shorter version of a game that just shows off the capabilities and main concept of the game. Often released several months before the game is released. I once found a demo version of Major Stryker in a store, but it didn't say it was a demo and not the full version. It was only like $2.00, so I got my mom to buy it for me. When I got home, I found out it was the same shareware version I all ready had gotten from a FREE demo disk. I was really angry, too. I don't know if what the store did, selling shareware, is legal, but if I remembered what store it was, I would SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE >OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO
Warez - A highly illegal way of getting free games that are still sold. Some games that are available through warez haven't even come out yet. Warez is often associated with ****ographic material, and hacking.
Full version - The full version of the game that you BUY. OMGOMGOMGOMG BUY!!!11 ;o
Trial - Versions of full games that can only be used for a limited time. You often get buggy trial programs that exceed the trial's limit. For example, I had the program Mozart for all most two years and it was supposed to stop working after two months. Trial versions of games and programs also are occasionally based on the number of times you use them. I've played some really nasty trial games that shut the game off when you lose, or win the whole game, or something, just so when you start it back up, you wasted one of your chances to use it. REALLY NASTY PEOPLE. Trial versions are often turned into full versions by codes, or serials. Hackers take advantage of this and often find out special codes that gives you the full versions, also known as crack codes.

PS: Is this thread ever going to die? =P

I love Jetpack!!! Highly recommended!
http://www.adeptsoftware.com/
That game was once shareware, but is now released as freeware. It's not abandoned and has nothing to do with abandonware. Abandonware is some peoples own thought, the authors haven't given any permission.

People are getting off topic now >OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

When you buy shareware, all you're paying for is the cost of materials and shipping. I bought plenty of games that way way back when.

Heheh. Abandonware, everyone remember that day where I did the thing? =P