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Jazz Jackrabbit Advance leaves some of us in a weird position. This is a new chance for this licence to gain popularity and money again. There's no doubt that Star Wars is popular - hey I love Star Wars. Maybe this is the look they decided on to get some attention - to get some popularity to the series. Maybe the move was risky, and I would have liked a different new look or the original one. But Jazz fans know about this game now, and hopefully it will get enough marketing so other gamers know about it.

THEN we'll all get to see whether or not the gameplay measures up. I mean, the screenshots show that there is dialog in this game. Could that mean a story withen the game? Could that mean hints at solving puzzles if there are some in the game? This could be really interesting. And dare I say it, this could be really fun to play. I'm sure Game Titan knew the risks of not only choosing a different look or theme for the game, but actually making a new Jazz game is risky because of the money losses from before. But Jazz games are fun and have great characters and animation. So why did they not do well? Poorly marketed - that's all. Jazz is a cool licence. I'm sure Game Titan realised this and I hope they are prepared to do what needs be to make sure the game does well. But, we are not prepared to go and market it for them when we have no idea what the game will be like ourselves.

It's just wait and see. But while we wait, it'd be good to not spam Game Titan and constantly exclaim "Fixors..." you know the rest. What kind of weird language is that anyway? Geek language?

Oh and as for the game industry - the majority of game players are NOT children. That's the stereotype we'd like to rid of the industry. Games are suitable for many ages, and the majority of game players are between the ages of 15 and 30 if I remember the statistics I read in my game class in college a few months ago. That's teens and young adults. Many games these days are made with a Teen or Mature rating as well.

Actually, yeah! That's what Jazz needs! Not a new look so much, but a new attitude! Maybe baddies should spill blood and maybe Jazz should get weapons that look different, but all still are a metamorphasized version of the blaster. I would like this better than the one gun getting different ammo only.
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I don't have a GBA and i missed Cliff and Noogy posting here. I'll just cry my eyes out for that, and when i'm done, i'd say: i don't think Game Titan would have much interest in suing j2o or the community. Fact is that this community would be likely to form a major part of the total number of people who'd buy the game. And personally, i don't think the game got flamed very much here. Just a few people being a bit annoyed because of Jazz's different look. Is that flaming? Is that negative publicity that would scare people into not buying the game? As for emulators: i have no interest in those and i don't really like them, but let's face it: some people make ROMs for everything. Unlikely that they can be stopped. However, J2O couldn't possibly be to blame for that.
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Yesh. Quoite.

If Noogy had worked on JJA, the game prolly wouldn't have looked so... um... not. Like the original Jazz was. Or Jazz 2.

Like too many people have said, whoever's making the new game (Jaleco, isn't it?) has put a totally new spin on Jazz Jackrabbit, and it's turned into a pro-con opinion war. Some people like the new look, and love the parody of Star Wars integrated into the game. Others, like me, wish Jazz was the way he always was: the tough warrior guy. Well, the tough warrior guy with no pants, but that's another story. At least in this rehash they've given him clothing.
And I have to agree with Batty Buddy, as he said this somewhere: you don't mess with the bandana and the blaster. It's simply not done. That's the way Jazz was originally made to be, and those items are his trademarks. Now, Jaleco's decided to scrap them, and all of a sudden, Jazz isn't what he used to be. That little green rabbit with a blaster pistol is just that. A little green rabbit with a blaster pistol. Not Jazz.

...Ack! Getting sentimental again! *whacks self several times over the head with a mallet*
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Que Passa!!!!

Actually, I've been thinking it over and I've come to a REASON about why all these game characters have been changing without complaints, but we don't like Jazz's new look:

Jazz's changes are too many and too fast.

Think about it: Link may not be the same as he was in OOT- but we can still see him as Link: He's got the pointed hood-like elvin hat, the tunic, and the sword.
Mario still has his hat, overalls, and mustache, just like he did when he was chasing after a big ugly gorilla.
Conker's clothes, although different, still look the same style: they may be slightly different colors but they are still a jacket and shoes.
Even Toejam and Earl have undergone changes, but Toejam still has his hat and gold chain, and Earl is still wearing those shorts of his.

Jazz not only has new clothes- but everything that he brought in with him is gone: the LFG 2000, the bandana, the wristbands and backpack- all gone. Maybe if he still was wearing the bandana, or if the gun was still the LFG 2000, we might be able to accept it better, even WITH his new clothes- but all that we have that says that it is Jazz is a green rabbit and Game Titans title.

And in that extent: lets look on over at Devan: not too many people have been complaining about him- why?... Well, maybe it's because he's not the star: but look at him- he STILL HAS HIS GLASSES! He is STILL identifiable as Devan, he just looks like he's going to a SciFi convention.

What I'm trying to say is, maybe the problem is the fact that Jazz underwent too MANY changes in too short a time rather then the fact that he underwent any changes at all.

I just kind of wanted to say that for a while. As for me: I will still use the Jazz 2 Jazz (hereafter known as JTJ) in my War Tavern stories, and fan art(yes, I do make fan art: I just haven't posted any of it.).
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its just a game why is everyone so concerned???? dont u have any other life?? if you dont like the look of jazz just put a piece of tape in the centre of the GBA screen, then u probably wont see him

btw why does every one talk crazy language?
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Actually, yeah! That's what Jazz needs! Not a new look so much, but a new attitude! Maybe baddies should spill blood and maybe Jazz should get weapons that look different, but all still are a metamorphasized version of the blaster. I would like this better than the one gun getting different ammo only.
No, if you put blood in Jazz you destroy it. Jazz has always been one of the few great games that ANYBODY can enjoy. The game that went against the tide. Everything when JJ2 was being made had to be 3D and full of blood. If you put this in the next JJ game, I would consider it even less Jazz than that GBA game.

Further, if you study those screenies, you will see that Jazz DOES get different guns for different ammo in this new game.
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lets look on over at Devan: not too many people have been complaining about him- why?... Well, maybe it's because he's not the star: but look at him- he STILL HAS HIS GLASSES! He is STILL identifiable as Devan, he just looks like he's going to a SciFi convention.
Oh, no, they ONLY CHANGED HIS NAME!!!

But I hypothesize that that isn't Devan, but some other turtle. Maybe his son? Who knows what they will do...
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its just a game why is everyone so concerned???? dont u have any other life?? if you dont like the look of jazz just put a piece of tape in the centre of the GBA screen, then u probably wont see him

btw why does every one talk crazy language?
1: Because we are fans of the Jazz series and this one seemingly goes against everything that we know to be Jazz.

2 : No, why are we here?

3 : That replacement green bunny looks better than a piece of tape, at least.

4 : Not everyone talks a crazy language. And the ones that do do so because it is fun.

And my question to you : What are you doing here?
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Actually, yeah! That's what Jazz needs! Not a new look so much, but a new attitude! Maybe baddies should spill blood and maybe Jazz should get weapons that look different, but all still are a metamorphasized version of the blaster. I would like this better than the one gun getting different ammo only.
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NO BLUD IN JAZZ

Why in the world would they shange Devan's name? I'll bet you anything (worth less than a nickel) that it's different, you can't mess with the names, or else... it would be less of a Jazz game. What if they called him Jack Jackrabbit? No way am I buying that game just because they're both green rabbits -- at least it's still the JJ license.

I'm way off my point.

*wants the old Jazz back*

Ah well.
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Again

I already posted it once, so I'll say it again. Jazz is a solider of fourtune who drives a space ship looking for money. Where do you drive a space ship, on the ground? No, you fly it in space. So now, you all have a mis-interpretation of Jazz. Sure we all like Jazz the way his is, but the fact of the matter is he's a space ship flying kind of guy... unless he's a king. Well, then this one must take place some other time.

I would rather the Jazz look differen't, but I'm not going to cut down tree's until it happens. Oh yeah I love the new Zelda system. It sounds like so much fun to play. Do you know why his eyes are so big? They look around the room for secrets or enemies so it's easier for you. It's pretty cool. Plus his expresson is always changing.
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Eh. Yeah, but what the manuals say isn't what we're used to. What we're used to is our "haggard guerrilla varmint".
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Used to what?

I'm not trying to say what you're used to. I'm used to it too. All I'm saying is this isn't out of Left Field (not the company, mind you) this does have some basis.

Granted Jazz did most of his fighting on the ground...
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Actually, now that I look at them again, it's not so dofferent anymore. At least not as outrageously different. The Celda Effect is kicking in for me ;p (much later than for Zelda, though.)
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(Mind the three posts in a row. I don't feel like editing.)

After looking at the earlier posts abbout JJA, I discovered that in the beginning, the look was not much of a big deal. Then, some people pointed it out lightly, and it became rather exadurated, to the point of being threatened by the makers.
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I agree with that. My comment was kind of not really an argument
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Hey CliffyB, just another loyal old JJ fan here. Well strangely enough, all my friends that I talked to about JJ have never heard of this game before! Or any of the Predecessors. Perhaps I will spread the word.

So you're going to release a JJ game for the GBA, heard about that off Haze Hackrabbit's site. Wonder if it's going to be a good platformer. Anyway, i'm still trying to beat Megaman Battle Network II, it's fairly difficult... But fun!

The major problem with platformers, is that they're too short and repetitive. Try to avoid these problems! And I might just buy/download the game, lol.
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No, CliffyB (as far as I can tell) has nothing to do with JJA. (If he did, it would look good!)
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I'm just speculating here.

Perhaps the creators of the game will add a story-element to the game which explains the appearance change. Won't we be embarassed if we find out the game takes place 1000 years after jj2 and the "Jazz Jackrabbit" in JJA is really some descendant.
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I actually hope you are right, there, Mike. Then I could accept this game. And, like I said, Dark Shell looks more like he would be Devan's son, not Devan with a new name. He looks younger than Devan. And he has a different name!

I don't like the idea of tampering with Jazz's look, but if that rabbit isn't Jazz, then it doesn't matter how he looks. He could just have the same name.

Or he could be Jazz when he was a young, brash rabbit. (Not the trained, confident, turtle-butt whooper we know today). Maybe back then Devan went by the alias "dark". This could be a prequel to Jazz 1.

I hope either of those is correct, or close. Then I could more easily bring myself to like the game, if it has good gameplay, that is. And where that is concerned, I hope it plays more like Jazz 1 than Jazz 2, cause let's face it, the levels in JJ1 were much better. (Although judging from the abundance of JJ2 tilesets used in this game, this doesn't look likely.)

And let's look at the positive side, it looks like the game has some kind of storyline to it. Now, it could be very cheesy and embarassing, but I do like the idea somewhat of a storyline.

So, in short, if the game is either a prequel, or a sequel about our hero's offspring (or later descendant), has good gameplay, and the storyline is actually good, I think I could like this game.

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Or he could be Jazz when he was a young, brash rabbit. (Not the trained, confident, turtle-butt whooper we know today). Maybe back then Devan went by the alias "dark". This could be a prequel to Jazz 1.

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I really hope it's a prequel. That would indeed explain our hero's looks and also would explain the (likely) absence of the other characters.

As some may have noticed from the screenshots this new game is more story driven than any of the previous games. And obviously contains more RPG-like conversations.

And maybe we will like the story. And maybe it will finally explain why Jazz got banned from Carrotus in the first place (see JJ1).

*me can't wait*
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Well, yeah, I've only been saying that's a possibility since the begining. And that's all it is, but it makes sense. But then, so does just giving Jazz a new look. These guys wanted a game of their own, not JJ2 for the GBA.
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Then why'd they have to call it "Jazz Jackrabbit"? It would had been a whole lot better had they called it something else.
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Then why'd they have to call it "Jazz Jackrabbit"? It would had been a whole lot better had they called it something else.
That's what I've been saying. If they wanted Star Wars, they shoulda asked Mr Lucas.
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This is not Jazz!!!

Bad dog with t-shirt and gun.
We want Jazz3D!!!
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As much as we would like to, we cannot force Noogy to do art stuff for this. And uh, about Jazz 3D: you haven't been around here for the past few years, have you? Otherwise you'd know that the chances for Jazz 3D to be finished are very much near nil.
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I actually hope you are right, there, Mike. Then I could accept this game. And, like I said, Dark Shell looks more like he would be Devan's son, not Devan with a new name. He looks younger than Devan. And he has a different name!

I don't like the idea of tampering with Jazz's look, but if that rabbit isn't Jazz, then it doesn't matter how he looks. He could just have the same name.

Or he could be Jazz when he was a young, brash rabbit. (Not the trained, confident, turtle-butt whooper we know today). Maybe back then Devan went by the alias "dark". This could be a prequel to Jazz 1.

I hope either of those is correct, or close. Then I could more easily bring myself to like the game, if it has good gameplay, that is. And where that is concerned, I hope it plays more like Jazz 1 than Jazz 2, cause let's face it, the levels in JJ1 were much better. (Although judging from the abundance of JJ2 tilesets used in this game, this doesn't look likely.)

And let's look at the positive side, it looks like the game has some kind of storyline to it. Now, it could be very cheesy and embarassing, but I do like the idea somewhat of a storyline.

So, in short, if the game is either a prequel, or a sequel about our hero's offspring (or later descendant), has good gameplay, and the storyline is actually good, I think I could like this game.

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Actually, they might be raised to about 25% is this game does well. Although I doubt if the original JJ3d makers will continue it.
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Perhaps the creators of the game will add a story-element to the game which explains the appearance change. Won't we be embarassed if we find out the game takes place 1000 years after jj2 and the "Jazz Jackrabbit" in JJA is really some descendant.
And yet they call it Jazz Jackrabbit?

Pardon my existance, but I find it kind of unethical to try to get a game to sell by saying "Oh, the main character is the descendant of Jazz Jackrabbit". It's like having some random game and saying Duke Nukem's the main character's father.
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Heh.

I also hope that it takes place in the future. I would like a reason for the visual change, but I'm sure the reason, if there is one, will obviously not be the best plot line. The simple reason is:

If Jazz looks like Luke Skywalker, the game will get more money.

Simple, isn't it?
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"Pardon my existance."

Is this an effort to destory Jazz2 and stop it so that it changes into something else and Jazz will never be the same again? I do hope this game is neither the future or past of Jazz. And yes, why did they have to call it Jazz Jackrabbit if they wanted their own game? I am planning on making a game with a green bunny and hes not called Jazz Jackrabbit, but hes more like a Jazz type character than this one.
Its more like a Jazz3D xcept its a diffirent game
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Oct 16, 2002, 03:25 AM
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Stop thinking on the bad side, Rose. We all know that's going to happen, but we don't have to SAY we think that.
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Oct 16, 2002, 04:06 AM
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SSF

FI><0RS TEH JACKRABBIT IN TEH NAME OF PAGE 5 I JUST CLAIMED!!!

This is a serious issue guys
I'd make a FI><0R sig but I like my curren tone too much, so I'm stuck claiming pages
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*steals page from Disquise*
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