Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   JazzJackrabbit Community Forums » Open Forums » JCS & Scripting

tell some of the levels what u are buiding and goning on j2o

Hitch

JCF Member

Joined: Jul 2006

Posts: 324

Hitch is doing well so far

Feb 9, 2008, 06:16 PM
Hitch is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbob View Post
it's going to use aws_cave.xm for music.
Wonder if you got that idea from my level, 04 of Memories 2 uses that exact music.
__________________


Get it now : Memories 3: Imagination

Some links:
JDC - Uploads - 8th Dimension Site


The closer you get to light, the greater your shadow becomes
Jimbob

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 658

Jimbob is doing well so far

Feb 9, 2008, 07:24 PM
Jimbob is offline
Reply With Quote
Remember how I said that it got me inspired? ;p
__________________
Pack: Legacies
-
Level 1: Fairytale Fantasy Land - 140x140
15.4% - ||||||||||
Diamondus Night FP - y_light.xm
-
Level 2: Barricade Beach - 110x110
6% - ||||||||||
Beach+ Tropical - tropical_beach.s3m
-
Level 3: Starlight City - 140x140
5.387% - ||||||||||
Big Landscape Evening - aws_anew.xm
-
Level 4: Nightly Nature Walk - 180x180
4.641% - ||||||||||
IC - SluggionP - alc_run.xm

Last edited by Jimbob; Feb 10, 2008 at 07:16 AM. Reason: fixed a typo
Hitch

JCF Member

Joined: Jul 2006

Posts: 324

Hitch is doing well so far

Feb 9, 2008, 07:29 PM
Hitch is offline
Reply With Quote
Yes, but I didn't think you would be using it that fast. It's a good piece of music though ;P
__________________


Get it now : Memories 3: Imagination

Some links:
JDC - Uploads - 8th Dimension Site


The closer you get to light, the greater your shadow becomes

Last edited by Hitch; Feb 10, 2008 at 05:47 AM.
Ragnarok!

JCF Member

Joined: Apr 2004

Posts: 1,135

Ragnarok! is a forum legendRagnarok! is a forum legend

Feb 10, 2008, 05:37 AM
Ragnarok! is offline
Reply With Quote
Looks good, try to avoid making your levels so platformy and try to make it more solid (fat masks). Otherwise, nice EC. Secondly, it's not that wrong to use a same music file is it? Because then, I'm just suckish. ;[
Jimbob

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 658

Jimbob is doing well so far

Feb 10, 2008, 07:15 AM
Jimbob is offline
Reply With Quote
But that's just the end of a path. It's kinda hard not to make that area look platformy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok
Secondly, it's not that wrong to use a same music file is it? Because then, I'm just suckish. ;[
No, there's nothing wrong with using the same music file. ;p
__________________
Pack: Legacies
-
Level 1: Fairytale Fantasy Land - 140x140
15.4% - ||||||||||
Diamondus Night FP - y_light.xm
-
Level 2: Barricade Beach - 110x110
6% - ||||||||||
Beach+ Tropical - tropical_beach.s3m
-
Level 3: Starlight City - 140x140
5.387% - ||||||||||
Big Landscape Evening - aws_anew.xm
-
Level 4: Nightly Nature Walk - 180x180
4.641% - ||||||||||
IC - SluggionP - alc_run.xm
n00b

JCF Veteran

Joined: May 2004

Posts: 5,578

n00b is an asset to this forumn00b is an asset to this forum

Feb 10, 2008, 07:46 AM
n00b is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
try to avoid making your levels so platformy
Yeah man, its not like this game is a platformer or anything.
Actually if this is the general design philosophy I may have finally realized why I don't like multiplayer all that much.
Odin

Banned

Joined: Dec 2003

Posts: 3,776

Odin is doing well so far

Feb 10, 2008, 09:40 AM
Odin is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b View Post
Yeah man, its not like this game is a platformer or anything.
Actually if this is the general design philosophy I may have finally realized why I don't like multiplayer all that much.
It's the design philosophy of people that don't realize that not having platforms invariably leads to levels either taking place in caves or buildings, or levels with gigantic open areas which overpowers doublejump/coptering.
Old Feb 10, 2008, 11:56 AM
Ragnarok!
This message has been deleted by Ragnarok!.
Ragnarok!

JCF Member

Joined: Apr 2004

Posts: 1,135

Ragnarok! is a forum legendRagnarok! is a forum legend

Feb 10, 2008, 11:56 AM
Ragnarok! is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b View Post
Yeah man, its not like this game is a platformer or anything.
Actually if this is the general design philosophy I may have finally realized why I don't like multiplayer all that much.
Uhh whatever dude.
Jimbob

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 658

Jimbob is doing well so far

Feb 10, 2008, 01:28 PM
Jimbob is offline
Reply With Quote
Seriously, though, w/e at n00b.
Anyways, well, the level is going really nicely and there's one thing to say about it: it's going to be symmetrical. Also, I haven't placed any events yet (other than springs and some MP starts), of course.
__________________
Pack: Legacies
-
Level 1: Fairytale Fantasy Land - 140x140
15.4% - ||||||||||
Diamondus Night FP - y_light.xm
-
Level 2: Barricade Beach - 110x110
6% - ||||||||||
Beach+ Tropical - tropical_beach.s3m
-
Level 3: Starlight City - 140x140
5.387% - ||||||||||
Big Landscape Evening - aws_anew.xm
-
Level 4: Nightly Nature Walk - 180x180
4.641% - ||||||||||
IC - SluggionP - alc_run.xm
n00b

JCF Veteran

Joined: May 2004

Posts: 5,578

n00b is an asset to this forumn00b is an asset to this forum

Feb 10, 2008, 02:54 PM
n00b is offline
Reply With Quote
Alright, I'm still not getting this: What is so wrong with platformy design?
Jimbob

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 658

Jimbob is doing well so far

Feb 10, 2008, 05:27 PM
Jimbob is offline
Reply With Quote
It makes it either too easy or too hard to get around the level. Also, the people generally don't like platformy level layouts because they can get too random.
Anyways: after adding some cool eyecandy:

Also, this time I won't show you 34976 pictures that spoil it for you.
__________________
Pack: Legacies
-
Level 1: Fairytale Fantasy Land - 140x140
15.4% - ||||||||||
Diamondus Night FP - y_light.xm
-
Level 2: Barricade Beach - 110x110
6% - ||||||||||
Beach+ Tropical - tropical_beach.s3m
-
Level 3: Starlight City - 140x140
5.387% - ||||||||||
Big Landscape Evening - aws_anew.xm
-
Level 4: Nightly Nature Walk - 180x180
4.641% - ||||||||||
IC - SluggionP - alc_run.xm
Speeza

JCF Member

Joined: Jan 2006

Posts: 1,628

Speeza is an asset to this forumSpeeza is an asset to this forum

Feb 10, 2008, 07:32 PM
Speeza is offline
Reply With Quote
That level looks awsome.
The tileset is awsome too. Is it hard to use ?
__________________
You like it when I talk bad about myself don't you cooba <3
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Your friendly JCF Hillybilly
DavidkazBest poster of 2010 ! [GpW]
Jimbob

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 658

Jimbob is doing well so far

Feb 10, 2008, 08:09 PM
Jimbob is offline
Reply With Quote
Um... sort of.
__________________
Pack: Legacies
-
Level 1: Fairytale Fantasy Land - 140x140
15.4% - ||||||||||
Diamondus Night FP - y_light.xm
-
Level 2: Barricade Beach - 110x110
6% - ||||||||||
Beach+ Tropical - tropical_beach.s3m
-
Level 3: Starlight City - 140x140
5.387% - ||||||||||
Big Landscape Evening - aws_anew.xm
-
Level 4: Nightly Nature Walk - 180x180
4.641% - ||||||||||
IC - SluggionP - alc_run.xm
FireSworD

JCF Member

Joined: Aug 2001

Posts: 2,834

FireSworD is an asset to this forumFireSworD is an asset to this forum

Feb 10, 2008, 08:39 PM
FireSworD is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b View Post
Alright, I'm still not getting this: What is so wrong with platformy design?
When I refer to "platformy" design, I'm saying the platform placements had little or no intended purpose to enhance the gameplay and were just added randomly. Also, levels that aren't so platformy are harder to learn and are usually more strategical, as is evident from battle1. In level design, it's not so much about making perfect levels but what can be done to enhance the level further and further, so even if platformy levels are good, levels that are not so platformy can be BETTER.
EvilMike

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2001

Posts: 3,478

EvilMike is OFF DA CHARTEvilMike is OFF DA CHARTEvilMike is OFF DA CHARTEvilMike is OFF DA CHART

Feb 10, 2008, 10:58 PM
EvilMike is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eigus View Post
I think I've seen this background somewhere before...
__________________
Download my JJ2 Episodes! (5 episodes)

Visit My JJ2 Blog (HOLD YOUR HORSES I'M WORKING ON IT SHEESH)
Old Feb 11, 2008, 02:09 AM
Raven aka StL
This message has been deleted by Raven aka StL. Reason: Goddammed double post
Raven aka StL

JCF Member

Joined: Feb 2005

Posts: 1,823

Raven aka StL should make better posts

Feb 11, 2008, 02:12 AM
Raven aka StL is offline
Reply With Quote
Especially people with no talent for levelmaking should plan their levels and spend time on them.
Old Feb 11, 2008, 09:45 AM
Ragnarok!
This message has been deleted by Ragnarok!. Reason: Question was answered
n00b

JCF Veteran

Joined: May 2004

Posts: 5,578

n00b is an asset to this forumn00b is an asset to this forum

Feb 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
n00b is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireSworD View Post
When I refer to "platformy" design, I'm saying the platform placements had little or no intended purpose to enhance the gameplay and were just added randomly. Also, levels that aren't so platformy are harder to learn and are usually more strategical, as is evident from battle1. In level design, it's not so much about making perfect levels but what can be done to enhance the level further and further, so even if platformy levels are good, levels that are not so platformy can be BETTER.
I was referring to Rag's post which was in reference to Jimbob's image which didnt seem random at all, but ok. The game itself is based around two characters comprised mostly of moves that are meant to move about platforms, by axing those it seems to be crippling the gameplay mechanincs instead of embracing them. Its like saying "All right, we have a Sonic game but we're going to make the level design completely negate his speed and spindash". I'm not saying that levels should be made of nothing but floating platforms as that'd be rather bland, but if the image Jimbob posted is what constitutes as "too platformy" and thus constitutes what should be "avoided" then I don't think the current level design philosophy is headed 100% in the right direction (not saying its extremely off the mark, only just a tad bit so).

Granted, this is speaking as someone who is a full on platformer fan who also always found SBv2 to be an extremely dull level to play in and always found many common design ideas to be rather odd whereas the rest of the fanbase may be using influences from different genres and their design choices feel right to them and others since thats what they're a fan of. So theres really no right or wrong to this situation (at least the way I perceive it, judging from a response or two some people are completely misinterpreting what I'm asking). Also Rag, could you repost your answer if it wasn't a complete retread of Firesword's response? I'm rather interested in reading the various opinions on design here.
Ragnarok!

JCF Member

Joined: Apr 2004

Posts: 1,135

Ragnarok! is a forum legendRagnarok! is a forum legend

Feb 11, 2008, 01:39 PM
Ragnarok! is offline
Reply With Quote
Very well, there's nothing wrong with platformy designs, and I did not mean that his level was platformy, I just meant to try to avoid making platforms everywhere. Well, as having many platforms usually leads to open layouts or just very random layouts. But however, (btw I'm not implying that the level had pointless platforms) you should never make a platform that serves no purpose as it's just pointless. Imagine a CTF level (I'm not sure exactly what you like to see) with a bunch of platforms. I understand this is a platform game and I see where you are coming from, but you should always design a level in the best interest of what the level's purpose is, in most cases gameplay. Anyway, as I was saying, a CTF level with a bunch of platforms. The platforms should all link somehow and lead to different places rather than leading to dead ends or serving no purpose whatsoever. (again not implying your level)

I admit that I design many platforms in my levels but at the same time I make sure I dont do it pointlessly or too much. If I design a platform, it usually provides some form of strategic advantage over something else such as height to allow bouncers to bombard campers at base even just a powerup to just divert attention around the level (which can be done perfectly well with a solid layout (but this is besides the point(right?))).

I think you took one word or phrase and took it slightly seriously or the wrong way, as I do not think platformy levels are bad, look at BBlair for example, there are random platforms everywhere, but that does not make it a bad level. Some levels just are good like that, but it's easier to pull off solid layouts and they usually serve as more strategic layouts too as well as easy to learn as FS said.

On top of this, I generally prefer very solid layouts as do many others. Your way of responding to what I said may be correct, as I might not have needed to use the word "so" in my response which therefore led you to think I meant the level was too platformy, which then led to this very heated debated (olol heated). {dam, wrong brackets}.
n00b

JCF Veteran

Joined: May 2004

Posts: 5,578

n00b is an asset to this forumn00b is an asset to this forum

Feb 11, 2008, 01:47 PM
n00b is offline
Reply With Quote
Well that was a lovely little discussion and I've walked away a bit more understanding of things. Yay.
Ragnarok!

JCF Member

Joined: Apr 2004

Posts: 1,135

Ragnarok! is a forum legendRagnarok! is a forum legend

Feb 11, 2008, 02:22 PM
Ragnarok! is offline
Reply With Quote
Good times. I enjoyed that. Let's do it again some time.
Unhit

Pornocrat

Joined: Nov 2001

Posts: 3,771

Unhit is doing well so far

Feb 11, 2008, 05:25 PM
Unhit is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
I've contemplated it for several other races, for frogs and birds, this level probably won't include that feature, here's a question, does anyone actually think I should try a bird/frog race?
y me!!!

oh nm
__________________
<center>somebody holds the key</center>
Raven aka StL

JCF Member

Joined: Feb 2005

Posts: 1,823

Raven aka StL should make better posts

Feb 12, 2008, 12:27 AM
Raven aka StL is offline
Reply With Quote
Jimbob's style at least deviates from all standards, so he's somewhat original...
But is he something else?

(Also, angular leaf formations on trees is INADVISABLE)
n00b

JCF Veteran

Joined: May 2004

Posts: 5,578

n00b is an asset to this forumn00b is an asset to this forum

Feb 12, 2008, 03:34 AM
n00b is offline
Reply With Quote
While we're at it on the EC, those tree trunks seem to be floating in midair.
Raven aka StL

JCF Member

Joined: Feb 2005

Posts: 1,823

Raven aka StL should make better posts

Feb 12, 2008, 05:00 AM
Raven aka StL is offline
Reply With Quote
Same for the platforms.
Speeza

JCF Member

Joined: Jan 2006

Posts: 1,628

Speeza is an asset to this forumSpeeza is an asset to this forum

Feb 13, 2008, 10:02 AM
Speeza is offline
Reply With Quote
Maybe you could put that in an article n00b and rag.
__________________
You like it when I talk bad about myself don't you cooba <3
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Your friendly JCF Hillybilly
DavidkazBest poster of 2010 ! [GpW]
Ragnarok!

JCF Member

Joined: Apr 2004

Posts: 1,135

Ragnarok! is a forum legendRagnarok! is a forum legend

Feb 13, 2008, 12:21 PM
Ragnarok! is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unhit View Post
y me!!!

oh nm
;[. I can make it. ];

Quote:
Originally Posted by Speeza View Post
Maybe you could put that in an article n00b and rag.
And uhh, what might you be referring to? (Random guess here The pros and cons of platformy/solid levels? o.o
Speeza

JCF Member

Joined: Jan 2006

Posts: 1,628

Speeza is an asset to this forumSpeeza is an asset to this forum

Feb 13, 2008, 01:50 PM
Speeza is offline
Reply With Quote
indeed.
__________________
You like it when I talk bad about myself don't you cooba <3
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Your friendly JCF Hillybilly
DavidkazBest poster of 2010 ! [GpW]
Raven aka StL

JCF Member

Joined: Feb 2005

Posts: 1,823

Raven aka StL should make better posts

Feb 14, 2008, 12:31 AM
Raven aka StL is offline
Reply With Quote
You can't really make standard guidelines for level layouts (or gameplay-systems), because there's so much variation and all kinds of styles can work. (From DW to BBlair to Semi)
FawFul

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2007

Posts: 526

FawFul is a forum legendFawFul is a forum legendFawFul is a forum legend

Feb 14, 2008, 06:19 AM
FawFul is offline
Reply With Quote
i changed a few things in my level ^_^
i hope u like this original theme of diamondus.

Enjoy
Speeza

JCF Member

Joined: Jan 2006

Posts: 1,628

Speeza is an asset to this forumSpeeza is an asset to this forum

Feb 14, 2008, 06:28 AM
Speeza is offline
Reply With Quote
Its really nice , I like the purple background .
This tileset is so overused.
__________________
You like it when I talk bad about myself don't you cooba <3
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Your friendly JCF Hillybilly
DavidkazBest poster of 2010 ! [GpW]
Raven aka StL

JCF Member

Joined: Feb 2005

Posts: 1,823

Raven aka StL should make better posts

Feb 14, 2008, 07:13 AM
Raven aka StL is offline
Reply With Quote
Your traits lie elsewhere, 'ful.
FawFul

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2007

Posts: 526

FawFul is a forum legendFawFul is a forum legendFawFul is a forum legend

Feb 14, 2008, 08:45 AM
FawFul is offline
Reply With Quote
i always liked The diamondus set..
but i saw this overusing to, so that's why i used the normal version with Garden Pallette... and i try to be original

** Btw, Emp. i don't get what u mean, it feels like u really think (just like the previous time) this level is kinda (-) piece. It's not forbidden to say.. but just say it not so complicated

Last edited by FawFul; Feb 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM.
Jimbob

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2006

Posts: 658

Jimbob is doing well so far

Feb 14, 2008, 04:41 PM
Jimbob is offline
Reply With Quote
Oooh nice, but lol (-)(-)(-) is up with spaz's face? XD
__________________
Pack: Legacies
-
Level 1: Fairytale Fantasy Land - 140x140
15.4% - ||||||||||
Diamondus Night FP - y_light.xm
-
Level 2: Barricade Beach - 110x110
6% - ||||||||||
Beach+ Tropical - tropical_beach.s3m
-
Level 3: Starlight City - 140x140
5.387% - ||||||||||
Big Landscape Evening - aws_anew.xm
-
Level 4: Nightly Nature Walk - 180x180
4.641% - ||||||||||
IC - SluggionP - alc_run.xm
n00b

JCF Veteran

Joined: May 2004

Posts: 5,578

n00b is an asset to this forumn00b is an asset to this forum

Feb 14, 2008, 04:42 PM
n00b is offline
Reply With Quote
Have you never seen the idle animations?
Speeza

JCF Member

Joined: Jan 2006

Posts: 1,628

Speeza is an asset to this forumSpeeza is an asset to this forum

Feb 15, 2008, 07:41 AM
Speeza is offline
Reply With Quote
Indeed , like the one on my sig looks pretty good. Looks like a cop :P.
But I like faws levels
__________________
You like it when I talk bad about myself don't you cooba <3
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

Your friendly JCF Hillybilly
DavidkazBest poster of 2010 ! [GpW]
FawFul

JCF Member

Joined: Jun 2007

Posts: 526

FawFul is a forum legendFawFul is a forum legendFawFul is a forum legend

Feb 15, 2008, 08:41 AM
FawFul is offline
Reply With Quote
thx speeza

jimbob: Well, i just were standing over there and i did printsreen, later in paint i saw i actually did it better than i thought because of the animation.
it looks like = WEE WEE, LOOK AT THE LEVELNAME or sth.. xD.
lol nvm .

Last edited by FawFul; Feb 15, 2008 at 09:38 AM.
snzspeed

JCF Member

Joined: Sep 2003

Posts: 1,377

snzspeed is a forum legendsnzspeed is a forum legendsnzspeed is a forum legend

Feb 15, 2008, 04:24 PM
snzspeed is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by St. Louis View Post
Your traits lie elsewhere, 'ful.
stop discouraging people. :/

that screen looks nice, faw
__________________
Raven aka StL

JCF Member

Joined: Feb 2005

Posts: 1,823

Raven aka StL should make better posts

Feb 15, 2008, 05:35 PM
Raven aka StL is offline
Reply With Quote
Just trying to lead them down a path they're at least distantly prepared for.
snzspeed

JCF Member

Joined: Sep 2003

Posts: 1,377

snzspeed is a forum legendsnzspeed is a forum legendsnzspeed is a forum legend

Feb 15, 2008, 05:53 PM
snzspeed is offline
Reply With Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by St. Louis View Post
Just trying to lead them down a path they're at least distantly prepared for.
jj2 needs more active levelmakers.. you should not discourage people like that. i mean, behavior like that can make other people discouraged aswell.. like me for example :/
__________________
FireSworD

JCF Member

Joined: Aug 2001

Posts: 2,834

FireSworD is an asset to this forumFireSworD is an asset to this forum

Feb 15, 2008, 09:24 PM
FireSworD is offline
Reply With Quote
Hold on. Give fawful more time to develop before coming to such conclusions.
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:24 PM.