Originally posted by CliffyB
If Jazz were to return, he would probably:

-Be a 3rd person 3d title
-Appear on a next-generation console first

Cliff

The important word here is first. ;-P

I would have no problem with Jazz on a console, but the game developers needs to realize that much of the fanbase revolves around the Internet. If Jazz 3 for the console was to have Internet play, that would be good, but really the only way to get the fanbase in on a game is to make it for the PC, where they originally stay. If JJ3 was to be console-released, I think that either the XBox and GameCube would suit him. The XBox would better support any complex graphics involved while the GameCube would probably sell better (more JJ2ers have GameCube than XBox it seems, partially thanks to Super Smash Brothers Melee) and also allow the brand to grow better (a cute rabbit would find favor in much of the age group that the GameCube appeals to, while the XBox's agegroup might be more accepting to the third person shooter element of the new Jazz. I'm glad Jazz 3 if it will be released will likely be third person. Jazz being a first person just wouldn't seem to fit. Still, just having a new Jazz game would be good. I'm glad to see our little green bunny has not been forgotten about, and hope this game sells well. If it does, Jazz might even have a future, whether it's one on a console or on the PC. Beggars can't be choosers, but beggars can be dreamers.

A third person 3D title? I have no problems with that, JJ3 was and it looked pretty darn cool.

However, console first? The problem would be that the Jazz fanbase revolves almost exclusively around the PC (seeing as how until now they've all been PC games). Not to mention, the reason JJ2 is still alive is due to the fact that it can be played online, and that we can have custom content such as levels and tilesets.

Whilst the Xbox will allow for internet play, it will imho be limited compared to the PC. Not to mention, custom content on an Xbox is basically a no go (even though it has a HDD).

I do hope we get JJ3 on the PC fisrt.

Originally posted by defalcon
A third person 3D title? I have no problems with that, JJ3 was and it looked pretty darn cool.

However, console first? The problem would be that the Jazz fanbase revolves almost exclusively around the PC (seeing as how until now they've all been PC games). Not to mention, the reason JJ2 is still alive is due to the fact that it can be played online, and that we can have custom content such as levels and tilesets.

Whilst the Xbox will allow for internet play, it will imho be limited compared to the PC. Not to mention, custom content on an Xbox is basically a no go (even though it has a HDD).

I do hope we get JJ3 on the PC fisrt.

Not to forget the XBOX costs way too much!
Only a few guys in this community could afford it I think...
JJ2,could even be played on a really crappy and old PC!

Pic, I don't know about there, but here you can get an xbox for 199 bucks. That's not bad at all.


I was actually coming here to say, that besides the blaster, Jazz looks nothing like Han Solo. I don't know where we all got off saying he does. He just has on...clothes, nothing even LIKE Han Solo's clothing.

If it appears on a console, please have it on PS2. It can be on every console, too, but I don't want to dish out $150 - $200 to buy a new console solely for Jazz.

(But my PS2 isn't and won't be hooked up to the net, so wouldn't it be better to make it a PC game?)

Originally posted by FreeLance
Pic, I don't know about there, but here you can get an xbox for 199 bucks. That's not bad at all.


I was actually coming here to say, that besides the blaster, Jazz looks nothing like Han Solo. I don't know where we all got off saying he does. He just has on...clothes, nothing even LIKE Han Solo's clothing.

An Xbox costs about $300 bucks here. Which is expensive.

Jazz does look like Han Solo imho. Earlier in the thread I posted some pics. Go look. ;P

console or not,

going to buy it anyway :P

I don't think I'll buy it if it's 3D.

Originally posted by CliffyB
If Jazz were to return, he would probably:

-Be a 3rd person 3d title
-Appear on a next-generation console first

Cliff

As I see it, the only way Jazz has a future is as a 3D title, except on handheld consoles, such as GBA. Frankly, there is practically *zero* market for platformers nowadays outside the handheld market--and even that is dissapearing with such games as GTA3:GBA.

And while I'm not crazy about it coming out on a console first--I'm for the continuation of Jazz. As long as it comes out on the PC eventually, I'm happy. And furthermore, the console market is getting more and more 'wired' (e.g dialup adapters for DC/etc etc and the Xbox broadband). I believe a viable console game community could emerge.

Look folks. I'm getting rather (mad) about this constant moaning I hear. It seems that half of you want a recreation of JJ2. Folks--It's not happening. Come down to earth, please. JJ2 made no money (worse, it lost plenty) in '98--why would they ever pursue it now? No self-respecting developer would pursue the same formula that was a total flop before (that's why we have JJ:GBA and not PC). I'm amazed (and pleased) that someone even bothered to bring it back (thanks gametitan). I don't think that if I were a game developer, I would take that risk--and for good reason.

IMO, the only market for a platform Jazz is GBA--and if they did it for PC, here's what would happen.

it would fail. miserably. thus sealing the fate of jazz forever. Because whatever happens next--if it doesn't work, you can count on jazz never coming back. No one takes a failure and repeats it---twice---in the gaming industry, where the profit margins are so small.

I think Jazz should look into a theme song.

"and you never did think that it ever would happen again
.....
and you never did think that we'd ever get toghether again"
-CDB

Derby: Content replacement.

As I see it Jazz only has a future as a 2D title.It is the only way to be different of current titles. And I also think many nostalgic gamers would love to play a 2D title.

If they want another formula for a game. Just make a new one, and let the old one die peacefully, instead of screwing it up.

Originally posted by Newspaz
As I see it Jazz only has a future as a 2D title.It is the only way to be different of current titles. And I also think many nostalgic gamers would love to play a 2D title.

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1) Innovation can happen in the 3D shooter world. It takes some work but it can be done. (Natural Selection, anyone? (: --though I admit there aren't many paralells between Natural Selection and JJ)

2) There aren't a tenth of the number of "nostalgia" gamers out there who would buy a future platformer JJ that there would need to be for the game to be a success. There weren't in '98--why would there be now? JJ2 is the best platformer ever made--hands down. There's no reason to believe that a new JJ would attract any new people--just the same one who bought the old one...aka not enough.

I thought so as well, BUT:
His outfit is nothing like Han Solo's. Han Solo wears a vest, a beige shirt, and blue pants with a stripe down the side, and tall black boots. Only rarely is he dressed otherwise.

And technically, Lucas didn't create the blaster pistol. It was just a brom/broomhandled german pistol from the late 1800s with a muzzle flash guard and a scope on top/theside

Han Solo outfit or not, German gun or not, I still don't like it. What they did to Jazz and the story is unacceptable.

Originally posted by Paul
As I see it, the only way Jazz has a future is as a 3D title, except on handheld consoles, such as GBA. Frankly, there is practically *zero* market for platformers nowadays outside the handheld market--and even that is dissapearing with such games as GTA3:GBA.

And while I'm not crazy about it coming out on a console first--I'm for the continuation of Jazz. As long as it comes out on the PC eventually, I'm happy. And furthermore, the console market is getting more and more 'wired' (e.g dialup adapters for DC/etc etc and the Xbox broadband). I believe a viable console game community could emerge.

Look folks. I'm getting rather (mad) about this constant moaning I hear. It seems that half of you want a recreation of JJ2. Folks--It's not happening. Come down to earth, please. JJ2 made no money (worse, it lost plenty) in '98--why would they ever pursue it now? No self-respecting developer would pursue the same formula that was a total flop before (that's why we have JJ:GBA and not PC). I'm amazed (and pleased) that someone even bothered to bring it back (thanks gametitan). I don't think that if I were a game developer, I would take that risk--and for good reason.

IMO, the only market for a platform Jazz is GBA--and if they did it for PC, here's what would happen.

it would fail. miserably. thus sealing the fate of jazz forever. Because whatever happens next--if it doesn't work, you can count on jazz never coming back. No one takes a failure and repeats it---twice---in the gaming industry, where the profit margins are so small.

I think Jazz should look into a theme song.

"and you never did think that it ever would happen again
.....
and you never did think that we'd ever get toghether again"
-CDB

Derby: Content replacement.

Jazz does have a theme song. Its in the menu of both Jazz games. The reason Jazz2 didn't sell well was beacuse it was a 2D platform game and by then plaform games were diying!

Fun Sun:
You forget the JJ3 theme song, which imho is the best out of the three.

Paul:
Nope, I want an update on the failed JJ3 project. Port to a new engine and spruce it from there.

Originally posted by Sun Fun Dude
Jazz does have a theme song. Its in the menu of both Jazz games. The reason Jazz2 didn't sell well was beacuse it was a 2D platform game and by then plaform games were diying!

I wasn't serious with the theme song bit--I was trying to make a point regarding the unlikelihood of a JJ comeback of any kind. Thus the song I chose.

Yes, platform games were diying by then, and that's precisely why a platform game now would be foolishness incarnate. That was my point.

Defalcon : well, who wouldn't. JJ3 as it stood was fairly excellent. But it won't happen.

Unacceptable, NS? Unacceptable? You don't have to even know it exists. It doesn't have to exist.

Oh yes.

I think Gathering of Developers did something wrong in their complete strategy. You can not have a company die on a single game being lost money on. They must have lost money on near all their titles.

So I think we can conclude that Gathering of Developers's marketing strategy just was a huge mistake. And it was not (just?) Jazz.

Originally posted by defalcon
Fun Sun:
You forget the JJ3 theme song, which imho is the best out of the three.

Heh,I replaced it with the normal JJ2themesong on my JJ2!
Tis cool!

Erm...on-topic...

@Newspaz:YOu're right,but I think that was already mentioned a few times...

@Freelance:What're you gonna do to them so it WON'T,make flying zombie-apes haunt them?

(Yes I DID make that up myself and YES you MAY/MUST quote me on that!)

@Freelance,too:A german gun?XD
Now shall I feel proud or guilty for giving him that new thingy?^_^;;

My point was that he could ignore it :P

And yeah, and it was the coolest pistol ever :>

Here's a nifty, yet unlikely idea:
The original blaster returns as the blue bouncer's weapon

Originally posted by Sun Fun Dude
Jazz does have a theme song. Its in the menu of both Jazz games. The reason Jazz2 didn't sell well was beacuse it was a 2D platform game and by then plaform games were diying!

I don't think platform games are dying. They just have a small constant community in an always growing "community" of all games. And imho, the 2D gives JJ2 the flair it has. I personally can't imagine Jazz in 3D.

Originally posted by Unhit
I don't think platform games are dying. They just have a small constant community in an always growing "community" of all games. And imho, the 2D gives JJ2 the flair it has. I personally can't imagine Jazz in 3D.

Unhit, what you just said is the exact reason why a new JJ game SHOULD NOT be 2D - it has a SMALL community; it won't make them money. If it won't make them money, they won't produce it. Quite simple.

And from the JJ3 stuff on Noogy's site, and the FAQ, I'd say that Jazz3D would have rocked.

You are right, of course they can't make much money. But I also don't think that Jazz3D would have sold that well. See, it is 3D, but it is so different from any other shooter...

Well, nm so far. We will see what JJ GBA brings us .

Originally posted by Unhit
You are right, of course they can't make much money. But I also don't think that Jazz3D would have sold that well. See, it is 3D, but it is so different from any other shooter...

HELLOO?
That's what would MAKE IT give money for the producers!XD
A 3D Jazz would be like a mixture between Duke Nukem and Super Mario,or Link and Conker or something!

THAT's exactly what people want I tell ya!^_^

*an enourmous wave of optimism breaks upon the community*XD

I miss the blue gun and the headband. Also, where's lori and eva earlong (or something like that.) and also, where the **** is Devan Shell? (don't remember names too well. Been four months since I've played JJ2.) Sorry for the cursing. You probably aren't sorry, you're too **** busy with Unreal to care.


I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated. Please don't ban me. Just delete this.

Well, let me cash in on my two cents:

If a Jazz sequel would be made, I would like Jazz to clean up his looks, although he should be able to retain his old attire, it wouldnt hurt to make him look a bit more cleaned up instead of a punk.

But you have to admit, Jazz GBA is missing what the first two did: addictive fun arcade styled gameplay. In Jazz GBA, you didnt have as many moves, Jazz was somewhat slow. And you couldnt really breeze through the levels with speed. But I do like the fact that the enemies took more than one shot to kill them. Maybe find some way to make it a little hard for them to be killed, but try not to downplay the arcade gameplay.

Another thing is if there were a 3D Jazz game, include all the rabbits. Jazz, Spaz, Eva, Lori. And I guess just for the fun of it, Devan Shell and the Jazz GBA guys. Like Margsley, Zoe Cottontail and Dark Shell. And try not to come up with another Super Mario 64 clone. Its a bit ridiculous to find a certain ammount of items to go onward. Sonic Adventure made a good transition to 3D. The only problem was that the engine was so dern buggy. Its not normal for a big gaming icon like Sonic to fall through floors. Even though he did it in his 2D games, he didnt do it frequently!

As for making control for the characters. It should have a way to toggle between 3rd and 1st person views. Mainly since people will want to have an arcade feel with 3rd person mode, and 1st person mode if they want to see directly in front of the character.

But most importantly, if Jazz is going to other consoles, I do reccomend putting him on the Cube. And yes, internet play is called for. I'm sick of people bashing the system because of its lack of internet titles. Jazz on the X-Box or PS2 is just...ridiculous.

First off, the X-Box just isnt quite kid friendly, not to mention it still houses some lackluster titles. Of course its a great graphical powerhouse, thats pretty much all the system excels in.

And the PS2 is overrated. Although you'd still want to put Jazz on it since it has so many titles. But usually those titles are dirt cheap and horrible. Plus usually multi-console ports have this system have the worst version, what with no progressive scan, horrible framerates, and butt-ugly graphics.

So why go with the Gamecube? Nintendo makes some quality titles. Wernt you on Extended Play Cliffy? You even said that Mario (And I think Sonic) were some of your favorite picks, despite the fact that Unreal Championship was your only console showing at the E3.

But you dont have to go by what I say, I'm just throwing a suggestion in.

No console. PC. You can have Game Titan Jazz on a console, but I like Jazz on PC. It's just simpler. (And it costs less to buy. Console games are around $40 now, more for the quality or new ones, while PC ones are around $30. Around. That means +/- $50 $5.

Sorry pal, PC games are beginning to go to $50.

Why? I dont know...

Yeah. Jazz on the Gamecube! It could be the SOCOM of the system, just not like SOCOM at all because of it's horrible graphics and clunky aiming (Yeah, since when does side-stepping and aiming belong on the same stick? Get rid of side-stepping and improve the aimingness - Sharp Shooter setup)

And if you want a Jazz Online RPG, I have a good idea for a quote"revoultionary"quote sound setup. I was unable to fall asleep so I worked it out. Remember, Z button to talk!

Another excellent title for the Cube.

*goes back to SSB:M and stays in front of his TV for about seven hours*

My record is 9 hours straight of GameCube.

I would have that record beat, but while I was playing Metroid Prime, my Gamecube had some kind of defect unbeknownst to me and my Gamecube broke. It's fine now, there was a defective part and Nintendo fixed it for free. I did, however, leave my Gamecube on for days to get the secrets in Super Smash Bros: Melee.

"I'm likin the Dungeon Duos" - Bob

I remember Duke Nukem Manhattem it was made plaform and rated very positive....

Personnaly I think that the old abonded 3D version of Jazz would have solld very well, rember Raymand II, Tombraider, Sonic, and Mario...

Originally posted by defalcon
Unhit, what you just said is the exact reason why a new JJ game SHOULD NOT be 2D - it has a SMALL community; it won't make them money. If it won't make them money, they won't produce it. Quite simple.

Exactly. They don't care that much about us, and if they do, making money will still come first. Fiendish freaks.