However, separating the idiots who can't write english, talk in caps, use 500 "clantags", can't play the game and cheat like hell from the (mostly) sensible and sophisticated ones is what has kept the 'better' side of the community intact.

Originally Posted by St. Louis

However, separating the idiots who can't write english, talk in caps, use 500 "clantags", can't play the game and cheat like hell from the (mostly) sensible and sophisticated ones is what has kept the 'better' side of the community intact.

JJ+ has a ban and kick command. And nobody forces you to play in their servers.

louis post is pretty flaming, but i can't disagree on some things he wrote. i personally indeed like to keep away people being in a server, mostly because of there chat behaving (spamming mostly). kick/banning/muting every time isn't really an option either because then they are going to annoy you everywhere and directly feel insulted.

my theory is that there should be some stuff to manipulate texts. like certain words that you can't say, caps turning into normal characters. "????" to "?" colors off and such stuff. and maybe some .ini file where you can put/edit/add things simply to this. for your own server. or maybe commands. i don't know if this is possible tough.

Good summary, Mike. I intended to post something similar, but you have done it for me. W00t.

Anyway, not everyone who plays TSF is as St. Louis so kindly describes. I can't say that there aren't players like that, but still. We want to do our best to keep the community alive, and intentionally breaking it in two is not the way to do that.

Originally Posted by FawFul

they are going to annoy you everywhere and directly feel insulted.

oh no, this is such a huge problem, we can't merge into 1.23 and TSF because of this

I fully agree with BN/Foly/EM's superpost.

yeah, i forgot to tell you there should be some flood filter aswell. too many messages in certain seconds causes a mute or kick.

i also miss the global mute btw .

Originally Posted by Hunter

Finally, I would like to suggest something. You all know playing JJ2 will eventually cause your C:\games (or whatever it is called) folder to turn into complete chaos with its thousands of level, tileset and music files. Wouldn't navigation in it become easier if JJ2+ is able to read those files from directories different to the default one? Example: levels are located in C:\games\levels, tilesets in C:\games\tilesets, et cetera. There's also be a need of a tool that moves the files to their new destinations, which, if I am not mistaken, is possible with a DOS command.

This was one of my older suggestions to BlurredD. Personally I'd go for the kind of layout that Unreal engine uses. Then there is an INI file where you set the paths to point to appropriate directories. This way you could set all paths to point to a single directory and get the current jj2 setup (all files in one directory). Users can later modify these paths to point to different folders.

Don't remove color from messages. The ALL CAPS thing I can see. Same with the excessive exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But not the colored text. That's not even a major problem currently.

I disagree entirely.

I wonder how long that took you to type out...

I don'tseewhye.

I don't see why! There! >(

Not long at all, actually. But the point stands that it could be distracting or detrimental in team games so removing it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Lets just make this bunny game as serious as can be. Good idea, Sonyk

Originally Posted by FawFul

yeah, i forgot to tell you there should be some flood filter aswell. too many messages in certain seconds causes a mute or kick.

i also miss the global mute btw .

I agree with both points.

Originally Posted by Sonyk

Not long at all, actually. But the point stands that it could be distracting or detrimental in team games so removing it wouldn't be a bad idea.

beautiful

see, I like color letters

Originally Posted by Dermo

Lets just make this bunny game as serious as can be. Good idea, Sonyk

Glad you agree, jerk.

But really, still calling it a bunny game? Doesn't mean it can't be serious. It's like mocking someone for taking their space marine game seriously. Or their japanese spiky hair mostly-text adventure seriously. Or that fantasy game with dead things and cow things and raiding. Just because it's styled differently doesn't mean you can't put some emphasis on serious competitive play. Hell, look at the Pokémon community.

But dude. The game wasn't meant to be completely serious. That's where there's so much comic relief in it. Just look at Spaz's appearance. Are we going to change that now, because he should look more serious when fighting?

The color should stay. It keeps the game interesting and allows for a lot of different possibilities when chatting. Don't let this happen please!

Originally Posted by Sonyk

Glad you agree, jerk.

But really, still calling it a bunny game? Doesn't mean it can't be serious. It's like mocking someone for taking their space marine game seriously. Or their japanese spiky hair mostly-text adventure seriously. Or that fantasy game with dead things and cow things and raiding. Just because it's styled differently doesn't mean you can't put some emphasis on serious competitive play. Hell, look at the Pokémon community.

This post fails because it colors the second paragraph black.

Originally Posted by Dermo

But dude. The game wasn't meant to be completely serious. That's where there's so much comic relief in it. Just look at Spaz's appearance. Are we going to change that now, because he should look more serious when fighting?

The color should stay. It keeps the game interesting and allows for a lot of different possibilities when chatting. Don't let this happen please!

If colored text is something that you think of as 'comic relief,' you may need to see a psychologist.

Originally Posted by Black Ninja

If colored text is something that you think of as 'comic relief,' you may need to see a psychologist.

No but I believe it makes the game fun.

There is no reason to remove the collored text, the only thing that will haphen then is probably that some ppl dont download the new +. Just let people use their collored names and text, as long as they dont spam collored text.

Or... make it a local option.... so people can decide for themselves whether to use it or not.

Or does that make too much sense?

There's colored text used all over many "serious" game chats and it's not a problem (SWAT 4 would be a good example). I don't see why here it would be, when often the levels are a whole lot more colorful.

What i would like to see in jj2+ is a chatbot or something like that.For example you could make server rules what that bot and it would send the massages like Console: Something.

I saw this in call of duty rcon tool and its quite useful there!

EDIT:And to anyone who things this could be used to spam then you could make minimum time limit for chat like every 10 secs is the minimum and you could only set it to 10secs and above.

Originally Posted by Dermo

But dude. The game wasn't meant to be completely serious. That's where there's so much comic relief in it. Just look at Spaz's appearance. Are we going to change that now, because he should look more serious when fighting?

Serious != Hardcore. Case in point:

See what that is? That's the premier special defense wall in the standard Pokémon metagame. She's happy. She's egg-shaped. And she repeatedly takes electric shocks, fire blasts and ice chunks to the face. In the 10+ years since she's been introduced and her role recognized by Gamefreak, they haven't changed her design. No one's saying to take the quirky cartoonishness out of JJ2. I'm just asking for an option to toggle colors off because people like to abuse it and it burns my eyes (because I'm a sensitive princess, of course).

OMG!!! IT FINALLY WORKS!!! Thank you SO MUCH for doing whatever you did to the 30 sec timeout thing I CAN FINALLY PLAY Online!!!

Originally Posted by Sonyk

Serious != Hardcore. Case in point:

See what that is? That's the premier special defense wall in the standard Pokémon metagame. She's happy. She's egg-shaped. And she repeatedly takes electric shocks, fire blasts and ice chunks to the face. In the 10+ years since she's been introduced and her role recognized by Gamefreak, they haven't changed her design. No one's saying to take the quirky cartoonishness out of JJ2. I'm just asking for an option to toggle colors off because people like to abuse it and it burns my eyes (because I'm a sensitive princess, of course).

For the record, this post made me love you.

Originally Posted by Sonyk

Serious != Hardcore. Case in point:

See what that is? That's the premier special defense wall in the standard Pokémon metagame. She's happy. She's egg-shaped. And she repeatedly takes electric shocks, fire blasts and ice chunks to the face. In the 10+ years since she's been introduced and her role recognized by Gamefreak, they haven't changed her design. No one's saying to take the quirky cartoonishness out of JJ2. I'm just asking for an option to toggle colors off because people like to abuse it and it burns my eyes (because I'm a sensitive princess, of course).

Ok then why do you play guitar hero?

It "burns" your eyes? Then you shouldn't be playing JJ2 to begin with. It has seizure warnings for a reason. And this post was pretty darn blank if you ask me. I have no idea what point you were trying to make by pointing out a (Clafairy's?) lack of Modification (I don't play Pokemon). What I got out of your post was that Gamefreak has kept her the same, because they know that changing it could negatively impact the game performance and sells. I believe the same thing with JJ2. By removing colors from chat, you are making the game less appealing. Thanks for proving my point (if you were trying to prove anything at all; like I said, that post told me nothing).

Black Ninja, for the record, you love anybody who makes a post that denies anything that could potentially make sense. This is probably why you lose 90% of your arguments (especially the ones with Puffie40).

Also:

Originally Posted by A conversation with Stratnstrat

stratnstrat (12:36:12 AM): ..why the hell did I spend the time to read that.
dermo529 (12:36:26 AM): My case and point
stratnstrat (12:36:34 AM): Anyway, I'm going to go play TF2.
dermo529 (12:36:43 AM): you loser
dermo529 (12:36:47 AM): you are really smart
dermo529 (12:37:00 AM): thererfore, you need to make a valid point that supports why color should stay in JJ2+
dermo529 (12:37:08 AM): people will listen to YOU!
stratnstrat (12:37:28 AM): Sonyk is making a half assed argument about a non-issue.
stratnstrat (12:37:37 AM): Stijn offered one, neutral selection.
stratnstrat (12:37:45 AM): And Black Ninja just did something BNish.
stratnstrat (12:38:01 AM): It's not worth my time to form any sort of argument =P
dermo529 (12:38:11 AM): ok well then i'll post that part of the chatlog
stratnstrat (12:38:24 AM): Do what you want.

I really have to say, although not a very valid point, Strat's got the right idea here.

For the record, I still have not posted in favor of removing or keeping colored chat. It's not a big deal to me either way. I just love Sonyk for posting his reasoning in the form of a Pokemon comparison.

Stijn is also probably right that a local toggle for it would make the most sense if any change were to be made.

As for the rest of your post, Strat's got the right idea when he says "..why the hell did I spend the time to read that."

Actually, I was just riling you up, Dermo. Have a nice day!

(I would like a toggle since it can get annoying when server messages look weird, but it is a non-issue.) Also, I don't play Guitar Hero!

Originally Posted by Hunter

If someone wants their server to announce its rules they can make a simple page about it and upload it somewhere on the web. And then have the server's guests informed about the page using the welcome message settings. I hope I understood you correctly, klemenkin.

Yah i know you could do this.But i don't thill all will go look at the web page...
It would be better if its just in jj2.

why don't you just drop the rules in the welcome message?


Just kick people breaking them. If they return, they'll see the rules again. And if they keep breaking the rules, they would've done the same if the rules were spammed every 10 seconds. You'd better just ban 'em in that case.

Originally Posted by Sonyk

Actually, I was just riling you up, Dermo

that's a horrible way to escape from a debate when you've run out of arguments

Also, removing colored text from JJ2 is stupid.

Originally Posted by cooba

Also, removing colored text from JJ2 is stupid.

That's a horrible way to enter a debate. Please keep your criticisms meaningful and fact based.

Can we stop the ranting and flamage and get back on to the main topic of the thread please? This is not the thread for complaining about rules or ranting about how coloured text may or may not be an Abomination Unto Nuggan.

Anyway, on flood control: this could be very useful, given the limited number of chat lines displayed in the main game window. How about a server-side setting like X lines in Y seconds = muted for Z seconds?

On coloured text: I fail to see why a client-side option to disable this could possibly be a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Stijn

Or... make it a local option.... so people can decide for themselves whether to use it or not.

Or does that make too much sense?

Fool! Do you not recognize the need to enforce your will upon others?!



I support flood control.

Originally Posted by cooba

that's a horrible way to escape from a debate when you've run out of arguments

People thought I was being serious when I was using rainbow text? Really?

Originally Posted by Hunter

What, if one does not know English well enough, he's an idiot? Most players on TSF are not English and are children who have yet not studied enough to fluently express themselves in this language. They will eventually improve both their playing and writing.

Please restrain yourself from speaking about how stupid some players might be. The way they speak in game is not a problem for you (and some other well known players) since you actually disapprove almost any type of behaviour you come across. I have seen you ban people even for not speaking to you (something you shouldn't be surprised to see). I must say I'd rather ban an "English speaking self-proclaimed 1337 player" like you than a Serbian (nationality randomly chosen; please leave Polish players alone) newbie from 1.24.

You see, some people who play 1.23 are more of annoyance than ones who play the other version.

Please refrain from making a "you are totally wrong" -reply just because one or two of the five points I made doesn't make all the sense in the world to you.
Also, I'm not saying that those 'undeveloped' players shouldn't play... rather they should develop playing 1.24 and then, when they're no longer 'undeveloped', they could make the transition to 1.23 if they feel like it.

There simply isn't one positive aspect in having those game-ruining cheaters, nonsense-spamming chatters or other annoying people on 1.23. Yes, there are some sensible people on 1.24, but the upside is close to inexistant compared to the downside.

If you have some twisted reason to disagree, claiming that mixing the hooligans with the good citizens is for the betterment of the community, then feel free.
This isn't a matter that can be properly explained in a short post. I might as well make a sizeable explanation that naive heroes of justice will have a harder time dismantling.

For now it's more sensible to give it a rest. It's a question of opinion and perception after all.

We all need to remember that BlurredD is spending much time on PLUS.
And if we can help him in anyway, then I think we should.
Stop supporting 1.23 would surely make things easier for him.

Originally Posted by St. Louis

Please refrain from making a "you are totally wrong" -reply just because one or two of the five points I made doesn't make all the sense in the world to you.
Also, I'm not saying that those 'undeveloped' players shouldn't play... rather they should develop playing 1.24 and then, when they're no longer 'undeveloped', they could make the transition to 1.23 if they feel like it.

There simply isn't one positive aspect in having those game-ruining cheaters, nonsense-spamming chatters or other annoying people on 1.23. Yes, there are some sensible people on 1.24, but the upside is close to inexistant compared to the downside.

If you have some twisted reason to disagree, claiming that mixing the hooligans with the good citizens is for the betterment of the community, then feel free.
This isn't a matter that can be properly explained in a short post. I might as well make a sizeable explanation that naive heroes of justice will have a harder time dismantling.

For now it's more sensible to give it a rest. It's a question of opinion and perception after all.

You have such a gargantuan aura of misplaced arrogance it's not even funny anymore. "Undeveloped"? "Good citizens"? Seriously?

Let's pretend I somehow managed to say something funny about StL, 1.23 and "Festung Europa"