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Also, there is a topic discussing highscores, but they are not very interesting due to respawning baddies/items. This could give someone with enough time an infinitely high score.
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I'm probably posting in the wrong thread but RaneforusV and GM Unfinished could use a
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Oh, I forgot this thread exists.

I think that in Rabbit Journal there could be a thing similar to that used in forums, like a "new posts" text next to its name. Or at least an exclamation mark, or using a bold/italic font. Same thing with comments to the news in the frontpage.

The number of screenshot for an upload could be based on the number of .j2l files in it, like:
0 : 2 screenshots (in case it's an utility or something)
1-3 : 2 screenshots
4-6 : 3 screenshots
7 and more : 4 screenshots
Or something like this, so there can be more for large packs/episodes and no unneccesary ones for stand-alone levels.

Credits box should be much bigger or deleted. I'm not using it because it's annoyingly small and it's hard to write in it.

Also, there could be a link to that Text Formatting page from more places. If I want to reach a certain effect in my level description/review, I need to go to the pictures section first to ensure how (btw, there's also no preview option for those).
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I think that in Rabbit Journal there could be a thing similar to that used in forums, like a "new posts" text next to its name. Or at least an exclamation mark, or using a bold/italic font. Same thing with comments to the news in the frontpage.
That's a nice idea. I'm not sure yet how it would be done from a technical point of view, but it's definitely something to keep in mind.

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The number of screenshot for an upload could be based on the number of .j2l files in it, like:
0 : 2 screenshots (in case it's an utility or something)
1-3 : 2 screenshots
4-6 : 3 screenshots
7 and more : 4 screenshots
Or something like this, so there can be more for large packs/episodes and no unneccesary ones for stand-alone levels.
I don't see why it'd be necessary to lower the amount of screenshots from 3 to 2 for some uploads. Increasing it would be impractical because it'd require a change in the page layout (3 fits rather nicely now, for 4 the whole box would have to be formatted differently).

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Credits box should be much bigger or deleted. I'm not using it because it's annoyingly small and it's hard to write in it.
Only making it bigger would be an option, since a lot of existing uploads do use it. I've thought about some alternate approaches (like it being possible to upload a level under multiple accounts, so no "Ragnarok & DarkSonic" (for example) accounts would be needed either), but there's definitely room for improvement anyway. Not sure what would be the best way to do it though.

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Also, there could be a link to that Text Formatting page from more places. If I want to reach a certain effect in my level description/review, I need to go to the pictures section first to ensure how (btw, there's also no preview option for those).
Good point. A preview option has been requested before, and is definitely on the todo list, but I personally haven't gotten around to doing it yet (maybe, maybe soon...)
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Speaking of previews, quotation marks/apostrophes are always preceded by backslashes when you preview an ERE article, can you fix it, please?

How did Hitch post a review four days ago when his last visit to J2O was on April 13 (picture)?

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Ability to delete submitted screenshots.
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You are already supposed to be able to delete screenshots for your own uploads. Is this broken for you?
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Speaking of previews, quotation marks/apostrophes are always preceded by backslashes when you preview an ERE article, can you fix it, please?

How did Hitch post a review four days ago when his last visit to J2O was on April 13 (picture)?
"Last Online" date is only updated if you're logged in. You can also review stuff by filling in your username and password in the review form, which allows you to post a review without logging in.
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"Last Online" date is only updated if you're logged in. You can also review stuff by filling in your username and password in the review form, which allows you to post a review without logging in.
Right, that didn't come to my mind.

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I don't see why it'd be necessary to lower the amount of screenshots from 3 to 2 for some uploads. Increasing it would be impractical because it'd require a change in the page layout (3 fits rather nicely now, for 4 the whole box would have to be formatted differently).
In case there are more than three images, can't we have J2O show three random pictures and a button to view all images in a separate window? I can imagine some sort of a pop-up featuring all screenshots in film strip-ish appearance. I guess Sir Ementaler suggested the amount of pictures allowed should be lowered for some files because of bandwidth concern.

I think I have already suggested this somewhere, but maybe authors could be allowed to reply to reviews? They reply already, by posting their own reviews with lots of @somebody chaos and numerous edits. It's not easy to follow who said what to who. I can give you Newgrounds as example. You can see comments made by the author on the bottom of reviews.

By the way, the about page is broken.
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You are already supposed to be able to delete screenshots for your own uploads. Is this broken for you?
Well, where this is done?
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It's about the third time when I lost a review with a high HI (this time even featured) just because the author decided to delete his upload. Couldn't something at least prevent reducing the number of those featured ones?
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Would it be possible to have a feature to reply or comment on somebody's reviews? Otherwise the page would get a few unnecessary reviews just talking about others. Take a look at DodgeS' Blizzard. His reply to a few reviews was made into a featured review. It might be a good idea to at least stop somebody from getting a featured review on their own upload.
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Returning to J2O improvements/ideas, I can't delete my own review. I'm not sure if it's planned or it's a bug, but in both cases I find it a bad thing. What appears is "Error! You are not allowed to view this page, sorry.".

Btw, I don't see a way to delete screenshots for my own uploads just as same as Jake (not that I want to delete any, I was just checking if he's right). If such an option exists, its button is probably not very well placed.
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I suggest removing the option to disable file preview. It has only been used by people who are trying to get more people to download their levels. To everyone who does this: it doesn't work.
I also think the ability to delete your own uploads should be removed; if someone has a legitimate reason to delete an upload (for example, it's an obsolete utility) they can just ask an admin to do it. Right now it's mostly being used by people who delete uploads because they didn't like the reviews they got, which is completely counterproductive.
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I also think the ability to delete your own uploads should be removed; if someone has a legitimate reason to delete an upload (for example, it's an obsolete utility) they can just ask an admin to do it.
I disagree - since levels are owned by their authors, it should be users who choose whether files they made should remain hosted on J2O.

But I think deleted uploads' pages should remain even if author decided to delete his/her files, this way preserving any reviews/ratings the level got (and the author should be able to re-upload the level - for I'm sure some people delete files in their anger and would later agree with submitted reviews). I'm sure it's terrible having written a long review only to have it deleted by a person who didn't like the marks he or she got.
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I disagree with minmay about disabling file preview.

1) Maybe is a level gimmicky and you can see some secrets on file preview.
2) Maybe it is passworded and author won't let people see how level looks like.
3) I downloaded files what had disabled file preview to see how is that level good/bad.

But on other hand, I agree on disabling "Delete" button because authors are deleting their levels because of low ratings and reviews what they don't like.
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But I think deleted uploads' pages should remain even if author decided to delete his/her files, this way preserving any reviews/ratings the level got (and the author should be able to re-upload the level - for I'm sure some people delete files in their anger and would later agree with submitted reviews). I'm sure it's terrible having written a long review only to have it deleted by a person who didn't like the marks he or she got.
It wouldn't really be deleting a file if you're not deleting it from the downloads listing, would it?

The problem is that if we disable deleting stuff authors could still just re-upload as an empty file or something. Unless we disable re-uploading too, but I don't think that's a good solution. I agree that it's unfortunate that people can't take low ratings they get and remove their files out of frustration, but there's simply little we can do about that.

As for the file previews, I agree with Hunter here; I think there's some legitimate reasons for not wanting to allow file previews and that authors should be free to choose whether to allow it or not. Personally, I like to use it as a way of checking out whether a level looks interesting enough to download or not, so in my case not allowing a preview would mean a lost download, but it's still the author's choice.
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Maybe limit how much times author can delete his uploads on J2O. For example, he can delete 2 of 5 uploads on J2O. Or even less; 1 of 5 or 1 of 10 .
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But I think deleted uploads' pages should remain even if author decided to delete his/her files
J2O already does this...
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I really don't think that's what Hunter means.
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It wouldn't really be deleting a file if you're not deleting it from the downloads listing, would it?
Well, it was the best suggestion I could come up with. I'm really in support of allowing authors to do whatever they think is best with their files - even if this means deleting them. However, much too effort is spent into writing a review and since there aren't that many reviewers anyway, no danger of your review disappearing should be present. If you insist on keeping the system as it is now, you should at least make it so reviews of deleted files are kept somewhere. (Aren't they already? I think I remember it being said somewhere that deleted files became hidden and could later be restored by the staff - then it wouldn't be too hard to come up with something) My idea is that deleted uploads should appear in another category so that the only thing lost is the files the author submitted. Even without downloadable content, such pages won't be useless - if the upload had some reviews, then there was interest in it and others are likely to seek information about it too. Besides, if something isn't on J2O it doesn't mean it is not in circulation.

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What? No, don't remove users' ability to choose whether they want to allow file preview or not. It's their level/tileset.
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I agree with Unknown Rabbit. Let them delete it if they wish. And let them decide whether it can be previewed or not. I understand where mini is coming from. However, it should be the author's choice. However, if deleting and re-uploading is reported, there should be a recurring penalty for that (maybe first offense, 2 day temp ban?).
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A ban wouldn't be necessary. Users wouldn't review an upload if they saw it being deleted and re-uploaded with the sole goal of getting rid of low marks. The file would silently sink down the list, which is big enough a penalty. I have never heard of cases when someone did what you described, though.
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Well, you know, http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=17457
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Perhaps a report dead/broken link for the links section of the site. I've noticed a lot of dead links.
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Another thing, maybe its time to update the did you know. Some of the info is outdated. The #JJ2 stats page for instance is dead.
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The link section is practically dead... I think archiving or moving it has been on the todo list for a long time, but we haven't really gotten around to it.

I guess it's time to go through the DYKs again indeed, thanks for reminding us.
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I guess that he means the JCF one, and just posted it in a wrong thread because of the reputation's official one being closed. Closing a thread doesn't change people's opinions, it just makes their dissatisfaction less visible. I see no problem means there is no problem.

I personally am getting used to this feature (even though my last 5 repgets - as much as it shows - were all negative), but I believe that I could as well get used to hitting my head with a hammer after some time. I'm not sure why so much people here like their heads being hitted, but well, if that's really neccesary to be an active JCF member then keep hitting mine too. Don't be surprised that some people are stopping their activity though, just because they're weak-headed or scared of hammers.

Also, when hitting my head for this post, please use as original hammer as you can. I kinda agree with Mike in this.
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Are you guys somehow unable to read the thread title, and/or Stijn's closing post in the reputation thread?
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I actually wanted to say only the first sentence and the rest appeared there accidentially.
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Here are some things I think could improve Jazz2online, these are my opinions. Please do not take offence as I mean none at all.

I think Jazz2online could still use some updating. I don't mean new features just updating the features it already has.

First of all The party mode section.

I think it would be great if CTF Codes were put here, I know there's an article about it, but as a new player it would be very useful. I'm guessing this section is mainly for new players. So it makes sense.

Basic game-types page of the party mode section, I know it says basic, but why not just list all of the game modes, it does seem like this section hasn't been updated since JJ2+, however it would be helpful too newcomers , explaining how there played etc. The teambattle description is outdated too. Since with plus its no longer the case.

Levels section
This Is just an idea, but perhaps you could create a new page with some of JJ2's best single player packs here, (evil mikes In my opinion being one of them) Perhaps adding a portrait picture in the style of a JJ2 episode saying something like "The best of JJ2 user content" I know this can be done by searching on the downloads section, but I think it would be good if it contained long single players downloads only. Would be convenient for both new and old users. Some people dislike or cannot play online anyway.

Articles
This again isn't really necessary, perhaps just have a fastlink to the different types of articles on the navigation bar.

Links
I still feel strongly about keeping the link section. Some of the links are dead, a report button to report these dead links would be useful. I know some people would be sad to see some of there old favourites go away so there are two idea's I've come up with, Like stijn said Archive the links section , but make a new links section, and start fresh (this time perhaps with a report dead link button) I still think it would be useful for clans especially to keep the links section, Many people could simply browse around to the active clans site interested in perhaps joining up. An option too delete your links would also be very appreciative.

Oh and some minor things. Perhaps rename party mode to online play.
Maybe combine jcs and levels like you did with other.

Once again these are my opinions and ideas and I'm just trying to help.
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