Here's a really stupid poll. Or stupid poll. For no reason at all, but boredom, I post this... What's more annoying? The 2 biggest debates of this forum duke it out! I'll go with spam.

This is Misc. fodder, and ironic, considering you effectively just spammed this forum. This is NOT feedback. This is a question. Both are offensive, and you've spammed so much here it's profane.

Wow, I didn't think you would vote in the poll, with all your complaining. No foo, I put it here for a reason. If I put it in Misc. Stuff, more likely than not, this poll would not be treated seriously, and probably would be spammed. Also It's sorta like Michael's topic on profanity, so it kinda does belong here.

I think this thread is the most obvious type of feedback there is. It is a poll about the forum. Polls are easy to interpret, simple, and hard to misinterpret, although they are also easy to manipulate. The poll is open to all members of the forum, who are feeding information about the forum back to the forum. The members are stating how they feel about the forum. The forum is then able to improve itself based on this "feedback" that is being returned to the forum.

JJTublear is not providing the feedback himself. He is providing a method of providing the feedback so that other users of the forum can state their opinions. Although he himself isn't returning information back to the forum, he is helping that cause. JJTublear's post isn't feedback, but his thread is... Well, it should be, but we are spamming. I think it's very hard to ask questions, have conversations, or start discussions in this forum because even if you are being serious most people just make "witty" comments about the thread itself that don't provide what the thread originator is asking for. These comments are often hypocritical, which is the case of all the replies in this thread.

Although the placement of the thread is questionable, Trafton, it is useless to point it out. You can't do anything about it and it's not your job to do anything about it. If moderators or administrators see this thread and feel that it should be on another board they will move it. You pointing it out without saying anything actually helpful or relevant is spamming. Tublear is asking an honest question and unless you are answering it you don't need to say anything. The point of this thread is to decide if profanity is more annoying than spam or vice versa. You're missing the point.

To me, spam is much more annoying than profanity. Although profanity is not always neccessary, it can help express yourself. It injects intense emotion into what you are saying. Spam is completely useless by definition. Profanity doesn't bother me at all; I am pained to see spamming that destroys perfectly good threads, boards, or entire forums.

I understand the argument, but both are really pointless (my vote, by the way, was intended to be the last option; I wish I could edit votes.) I'm not bothered per se, but it is pointless. Both are equally as unwanted, although spam is probably worse to me.

I'm kind of disturbed being the only one who dislikes profanity...

I dislike spamming tho most. And from all spam, I dislike Tublear's the most. Yay!

Hmmm it IS hard to tell the diff between spam and non spam..... like one guy might think one thing is spam and it be important to another guy. I thaught up a funny morning scenario:
*walk into room*
Mom: cerial?
You: Toast.
*after about 15 mins of eating and getting ready quietly*
Mom: schhol-late
*you leave and say nothing*

Oh all that scenario is in a spamless way, not like cross at mom or something like that.

The only really annoying thing is stupidity. Profanity and Spam are merely two common ways of using stupidity.
Most of the people that use profanity are doing so for the "shock factor". You know, the way little kids go "omb he said the F-word!". All "profane" words have actual meanings, and if they're used properly I don't have a problem with them. A (-) is a female dog. (-) is a verb meaning to have sex with something. (-) is short for "condemn". However, all these words are often used for their "shock factor", and are therefore filtered. If you want to express the same message, just use something that means the same thing; "Condemn you!" sounds cooler anyway. If you're going for the "shock factor", well, go hang around with some 10 year olds, they'll love you.
Spamming is hard to define. It's most commonly associated with meaning "posts a lot". I see it as "posts more than thinking". If someone posts every 30 seconds but their posts are well thought out and intelligent, they aren't a spammer. If someone writes a post of completely random, meaningless junk every day, they are a spammer. Think before you post, please.
In conclusion, I think neither "spam" nor "profanity" are bad. They are both just tools used by the uneducated.

Derby: Filter bypass removal. You already knew that you could not bypass the filter for any reason.

Radium: I left one letter of the word! That's hardly a bypass.

Originally Posted by KRSplat

I think this thread is the most obvious type of feedback there is. It is a poll about the forum. Polls are easy to interpret, simple, and hard to misinterpret, although they are also easy to manipulate. The poll is open to all members of the forum, who are feeding information about the forum back to the forum. The members are stating how they feel about the forum. The forum is then able to improve itself based on this "feedback" that is being returned to the forum.

JJTublear is not providing the feedback himself. He is providing a method of providing the feedback so that other users of the forum can state their opinions. Although he himself isn't returning information back to the forum, he is helping that cause. JJTublear's post isn't feedback, but his thread is... Well, it should be, but we are spamming. I think it's very hard to ask questions, have conversations, or start discussions in this forum because even if you are being serious most people just make "witty" comments about the thread itself that don't provide what the thread originator is asking for. These comments are often hypocritical, which is the case of all the replies in this thread.

Although the placement of the thread is questionable, Trafton, it is useless to point it out. You can't do anything about it and it's not your job to do anything about it. If moderators or administrators see this thread and feel that it should be on another board they will move it. You pointing it out without saying anything actually helpful or relevant is spamming. Tublear is asking an honest question and unless you are answering it you don't need to say anything. The point of this thread is to decide if profanity is more annoying than spam or vice versa. You're missing the point.

To me, spam is much more annoying than profanity. Although profanity is not always neccessary, it can help express yourself. It injects intense emotion into what you are saying. Spam is completely useless by definition. Profanity doesn't bother me at all; I am pained to see spamming that destroys perfectly good threads, boards, or entire forums.

Nice speech man, I kinda give up. I like to fight my own battles, but they always turn out being handicaps. Barely anyone actually understand the way I think on these forums.You and Pyro apparently do, I honor that, seriously.

If people don't understand my actions, they immediately target me as a spammer, or the worst spammer of the forums. It's completely not true.

I think it's interesting that Derby voted for "Neither bother me". Which is something I can't really believe.

Now that I think about it, profanity bothers me when its used just to be used.

"What a nice (-) day:" Pointless. (sentence stolen from Trafton.)

But if I was attacked I would say "What (/-) are you doing?" because I would be mad. If you say "What are you doing" it sounds a lot less serious to me. Profanity can put emotion into what you are saying, or make you sound like a complete idiot that thinks swearing makes them cool.

In response to Radium, nobody would take you serious if you said "Condemn you!" It sounds bad, and that's not how most people talk. You woud sound medieval if you said that, not mad (which I assume is why you would be saying that in the first place.) If you are saing it to shock little kids it is completely pointless.

That reminds me of something. When I was 8, Hellrazor (not Hellraisor), if anyone here remembers him, exposed me to a world of profanity. At the time I was an innocent little kid. I joined his server in JJ2. I said "Hi." He said "KRSplat" "You wouldn't (-) a fly" "(-) you" and banned me. I don't know why I am saying this, really, but I wanted to get sympathy get that in the open, and I feel better to have shared that. I don't like having that anger inside of me. What am I talking about? I should end this post before I start talking about shrinks.

Derby: Content removal. Your examples are not exempt from editing.

Is it against the rules to say I hate Derby? it's just an opinion... (:

Originally Posted by KRSplat

In response to Radium, nobody would take you serious if you said "Condemn you!" It sounds bad, and that's not how most people talk. You woud sound medieval if you said that, not mad (which I assume is why you would be saying that in the first place.) If you are saing it to shock little kids it is completely pointless.

Actually, I generally use "Curse you, insignifigant heretics!"

I suppose you talk to yourself a lot then rad?

Originally Posted by Michael

Is it against the rules to say I hate Derby? it's just an opinion... (:

I don't think so, but why?

You can be against how he edits, but why is that a reason to hate someone? He doesn't just edit to upset you or bother you. For instance, I probably disagree with many political opinions here, but I don't hate people just because of it. I can't imagine hating someone for such a triviality.

Derby does some real low crap. I also don't like the way he edits because he's like trying to make the JCF his way, that's what it feels like.
Politics have nothing to do with us jj2, and the forum though.

@ Michael: Cencoring and editing posts has lots to do with running an online forum board. If you dislike having your posts altered by a moderator, try keep the forum rules and stay out of the word filter. Either that, or you can go to another board.

I found it funny that you compare jj2 to the JCF. The majority of forum posters here does not play jj2, and those who does play more than they post. If a few edits bother you and you refuse to spend your time on something else than be annoyed by those posts, then you have a problem.

I can live with the edits, they don't kill me. They just bother me so I post this. They bother me such a little but that doesn't prevent me posting this, I don't see any reason to make me not post this, just like no reason to post this.

Originally Posted by Michael

They bother me such a little but that doesn't prevent me posting this, I don't see any reason to make me not post this, just like no reason to post this.

I lost you around here.

No prob... I'll exlpain.
What I tried saying was that in general I don't care really...it's just a forum of a game...it's just a computer. No big deal. and does it kill me? no edit my posts I still live.
But in the same way that I don't care about edits so I won't post it, I don't care about forums and stuff so I just posted it for the sake of posting, maybe for a lil arguement or whatever I don't bother thinking stuff like that over.

If you don't like the forums then why are you here?

Originally Posted by Michael

No prob... I'll exlpain.
What I tried saying was that in general I don't care really...it's just a forum of a game...it's just a computer. No big deal. and does it kill me? no edit my posts I still live.
But in the same way that I don't care about edits so I won't post it, I don't care about forums and stuff so I just posted it for the sake of posting, maybe for a lil arguement or whatever I don't bother thinking stuff like that over.

I'm still lost. Let me lay the SmackDown! Do you like the forum or not?