Marijn, single player is not the problem. If you don't want to see hidden secret rooms, just use 640x480 and nothing would bother you.

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Originally Posted by Marijn

So ya.. It will be MUCH better

No it wouldn't! you've provided reasons that it would be worse.

duh:P he just said what I said to shut me up XD

O.o

JJ2 Single Player is so easy because you can see too much already. Multiplayer is a different matter, but I don't think it would enhance the playing experience to be able to see even further away.

I think that enhanced resolutions should only be given out to certain people, like me.

Or me.

Originally Posted by Birdie

No it wouldn't! you've provided reasons that it would be worse.

That would be called sarcasm.

Ok, here's the latest status update. I am pleased to announce that resolutions up to 1280x1024 work perfectly! It's important to note, however, that you'll need an AMAZING PC to run the game at such high resolutions.

Also, certain sprites kind of don't look as good at high resolutions. Particularly certain enemies.

I'll have screenshots up fairly soon (and possibly a website), but I'm still debating the release of this app.

:\ Dont release it.
yet...

"Also, certain sprites kind of don't look as good at high resolutions." <-- That alone instantly turns me off the whole Hi-res craze people have accquired. Also if the sprites don't look good, how can we be sure if tilesets will look good? Will we have to make sure our tilesets are "Hi-Res Compatable"?

These potential graphical problems in a world where levels ratings can be swayed by eyecandy, can produce flawed ratings if played in a higher res where a tileset looks bad, and even in a lower res if a tileset was made speficially for a hi-res without any care to see if it looked as good in a lower res.

n00b, you can decide that when the screenshots are here.

BN, despite the decision being yours, I think you should not keep discussion about this program on a private level. Start a poll, as suggested, and do support or go against what people are saying here. People's opinions change. I can't make my mind up about this, however. The program could certainly do a lot, and anything that happens as a result of releasing it would be more interesting than, well, the Misc. Forum, which I represent here as the community's alternative to scare you all. It has been a dream, though small, for many to see JJ2 and higher resolutions combined, as if the moon would subsequently rise for the game...I won't get all poetical now (I don't know how )...

I can't test how a bunch of tilesets look in hi-res by looking at a few screenshots WR.

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

n00b, you can decide that when the screenshots are here.

You don't have to see a screeny to have the idea that Hi-res will srew the game!

Originally Posted by Marijn

You don't have to see a screeny to have the idea that Hi-res will srew the game!

Why would it? Besides, this would make splitscreen less unbearable.

It would certainly be useful for three/four-player splitscreen games.

Seriously, people, single player is not the issue. If you don't like the high-res, you could just change the resolution back to 640x480. Multiplayer is where this all really matters, because if this utility won't be released, some people would gain an unfair advantage and therefore the game would be ruined.

Yeah, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahah


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Originally Posted by White Rabbit

Start a poll, as suggested, ...

By me!
I still like my suggestion tell me when you posted it!

Originally Posted by ThA BLiNG BLiNG RaBBiT

Seriously, people, single player is not the issue. If you don't like the high-res, you could just change the resolution back to 640x480. Multiplayer is where this all really matters, because if this utility won't be released, some people would gain an unfair advantage and therefore the game would be ruined.

I totaly agree, I think that the 2 player mode ( and up ) with Hi-res is much better.. Good point! But if people can see you miles before you can see them ( if you don't have the same hex/application ) then it will be unfare.

Isn't that de reason that Neobeo don't release his VCR ?

This difference in multiplayer is the current situation because not everyone knows how to switch to higher resolutions. With a fairly decent PC you should be able to go at least 800x600, which is good enough, since the bullets don't go any further anyway.

Originally Posted by ThA BLiNG BLiNG RaBBiT

Multiplayer is where this all really matters, because if this utility won't be released, some people would gain an unfair advantage and therefore the game would be ruined.

That's not really true. It doesn't matter wether this utility is released or not, people will gain an unfair advantage in both situations. However, if you release it, the unfair advantages people have will be much bigger.

1. Only people who frequent the popular sites at the time the tool is released are likely to get it. A large amount of people don't visit these sites very often.

2. From all the people who play jj2, most of their computers will be able to play 600 x 480. However, with higher resolutions, only the computers of some will be able to bear them. If you have a huge resolution like 1280 x 1024, only a certain group of people will gain the largest advantage.

This means, releasing it creates a huge inequality between people with different computer speeds. When you release it there will be an unfair advantage, moreso than if you would not release it and people don't spread/abuse it and it is kept to a select few. If it's not released, the game is "ruined" how? Because Black Ninja and some others can play another way? It's not like you can't adapt.

This difference in multiplayer is the current situation because not everyone knows how to switch to higher resolutions. With a fairly decent PC you should be able to go at least 800x600, which is good enough, since the bullets don't go any further anyway.

Another invalid argument. Bullets may not go farther but your sight goes farther, and you can adapt your strategy to the multitude of extra information you get on movements. You can dodge faster, move another way, attack people more easily, etcetera.

Regarding splitscreen, how many active forum/site frequenters actively play splitscreen? Compare with how many play online multiplayer, please.

This is why you must release this patch:

Originally Posted by Fquist

Bullets may not go farther but your sight goes farther, and you can adapt your strategy to the multitude of extra information you get on movements. You can dodge faster, move another way, attack people more easily, etcetera.

Thanks for totally disregarding the rest of my argument and cherry-picking the bit out of it that suits you, R3ptile. At least try to invalidate it.

Originally Posted by Franky

Regarding splitscreen, how many active forum/site frequenters actively play splitscreen?

I used to battle a friend in splitscreen mode quite often, actually. I still agree with your points though.

Originally Posted by r3p

This is why you must release this patch:
(fquist's post)

Well, this is why JazzAdvantage should be made legal and uploaded to J2O:

-it makes getting good weapons easier
-you can get shields with really long time, it's awesome!
-you can do a lot of other nasty stuff
-it totally ruins game balance

Originally Posted by Fquist

2. From all the people who play jj2, most of their computers will be able to play 600 x 480. However, with higher resolutions, only the computers of some will be able to bear them. If you have a huge resolution like 1280 x 1024, only a certain group of people will gain the largest advantage.

So those people should get a new screen that supports a higher resolution. That's how it goes these days - the better computer you have the better a game works for you.

That argument doesn't work - you yourself say that with smart people finding out how to use better resolutions they get an "unfair" advantage. I could say the same about that. "So these people should get smarter" or "these people should just find out" - that's "how it goes" these days.

R3p's cherry pickng of Fquist's post proves something: People may want it to make their matches easier.
The Hi-res is nothing more than a crutch, and is no better than a cheating program used in that context.

Originally Posted by Fquist

That's not really true. It doesn't matter wether this utility is released or not, people will gain an unfair advantage in both situations. However, if you release it, the unfair advantages people have will be much bigger.

Originally Posted by Fquist

Advantage will be smaller as more people share it.
Regarding splitscreen, how many active forum/site frequenters actively play splitscreen? Compare with how many play online multiplayer, please.

It's no like its hard to detect in memory wether splitscreen is on or not, and hence allow higher resolutiosn

You can online in splitscreen.
Some people may do that just to have the increased width.

it's still shared

Originally Posted by n00b

R3p's cherry pickng of Fquist's post proves something: People may want it to make their matches easier.
The Hi-res is nothing more than a crutch, and is no better than a cheating program used in that context.

Actually, the game is way too easy for me. I want to try something new.

High-res would, however, make the game more based on skill much more than strategy.

Strategy = skill

=D Yes stratagy is skill.
So I want to stratagy in the game ;P

For the record, there are other less controversial ways of achieving more strategy or skill orientated games in JJ2. But if you already find this game too easy, you're not likely to find an adequate challenge with any changes of gameplay.

I completely agree with and support Frank's large post.

I thought about this for a while, and I think 640x480 is too big already for JJ2. I'm gonna start a new topic.

Stop ignoring the idea of only allwing bigger resolutions for splitscreen players! ;(

Btw, those known to have this should seriously (;p) be disallowed to participate in any sort of competitive jj2.

okay, you guys have got me. I'm against now. I agree with Gry btw.