Originally Posted by n00b

Thats like saying: "You can play as a giant cyborg mech only we resized him to 2 pixels high and 1 pixel wide."

I think this deserves a prize as being the worst analogy ever created by man.

I PAG this CLAM

Originally Posted by Radium

I think this deserves a prize as being the worst analogy ever created by man.

No the worst analogy created by man is
"We're making two versions of the xbox 360 to give people a choice, like Aplle has different versions of the ipod"

I appreciate you trying to reward me, but until a timecop removes the above analogy, I can't accept it.

Originally Posted by n00b

I used the "turtle" green range in JJ2's pallete, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about

Oh, I thought it was a brighter green range then the light green used in the JJ2 pallete. In that case, use less of the brighter colors, and employ another method of shading; pillow shading sucks.

Originally Posted by n00b

And Marijn- Don't make him smaller, thta takes the fun out of playing as Devan. Thats like saying: "You can play as a giant cyborg mech only we resized him to 2 pixels high and 1 pixel wide."

I just mean that all the sprites are of the same size. Can I edit your head? Odin are saying: The colours are to lightgreen.

you can put jazz's animations in the place of devan's and you battle a jazz clone

You can also do that by using MCEs.

Does JSD work with The christmas Chronicles?

Originally Posted by andy

you can put jazz's animations in the place of devan's and you battle a jazz clone

Best topic revival ever.

Originally Posted by Purplejazz7

Does JSD work with The christmas Chronicles?

Try it and be amazed! There's a 50% chance of it working! Why even bother asking?

If it works with Battery Check, it more than likely works with CC.

Did someone's already made a j2a edit to play as Devan?

So, I forget, did the program ever gain the capability to change the number of frames in an animation and edit sounds?

Originally Posted by Radium

So, I forget, did the program ever gain the capability to change the number of frames in an animation and edit sounds?

No to both.

Whenever I try it just comes up with:

File found with size 1019904
File has the same size as Jazz2 v1.24
But is either corrupted or not a Jazz2 binary

Did you patch the jazz2 exe?

He still has a shareware.

What? No, that was that other guy. Purplejazz has the full version as far as I know.

This stupid thing is going to ruin my idea of making jazz into a third person shooter (lol most ppl say it can't be done but if you spend long enough drawing it all out, it may be quite possible)!!!

It's been out for months, how the hell can it ruin your idea now?
And STUPID? My god, this is the greatest JJ2 Innovation for a long while, and you call it STUPID?
How dense are you?

mono could've done better on this stupid thing...

...and i haven't been on jcf for months...

...and i think you're the dense one

anymore questions?

Originally Posted by Drmoo

mono could've done better on this stupid thing...

Something that views sprites, edits them, exports them, and can change various features such as dimensions,gunspot,hotspot can only be done better with something that edits the ammount of frames the sprites have. That's one feature we don't have. In fact, using your logic, JJ2 is stupid because it lost the bonus stages. That is not sound logic at all.

Originally Posted by Drmoo

...and i haven't been on jcf for months...

This was released March 3rd 2006, you're posting history shows that you posted on April 1st, 2006, 04:31 PM through September 15th, 2006, 05:14 PM without any large gaps at all. You should have heard about it.

Originally Posted by Drmoo

...and i think you're the dense one

Considering I haven't lied about when I've been on the JCF, and I'm using proof not tossing random crap in the air like you seem to be doing, and because I do not use the elipses in a terrible fashion, I still find the opposite to be true.

Originally Posted by Drmoo

anymore questions?

Yes in fact I do, didn't the demo of JJ3 beat your idea of a Jazz TPS by, oh, I don't know, 5-6 years? And how exactly is a sprite editor/viewer/exporter for a 2d sidescrolling game supposed to ruin a TPS fangame? Why did you lie about your time spent on the JCF? Why are you misusing the poor elipses?

Originally Posted by n00b

Something that views sprites, edits them, exports them, and can change various features such as dimensions,gunspot,hotspot can only be done better with something that edits the ammount of frames the sprites have. That's one feature we don't have. In fact, using your logic, JJ2 is stupid because it lost the bonus stages. That is not sound logic at all.

JJ2 functions and is playable without the bonus stages. JSD loses a great deal of functionality without the ability to change the number of frames... certainly the majority of the changes I would like to make suffer from it.

The definition of functionality is "A set of attributes that bear on the existence of a set of functions and their specified properties. The functions are those that satisfy stated or implied needs."
The ability to edit the ammount of frames is neither stated nor implied by Neobeo, or JSD, thus JSD does not lose functionality in the slightest.

EDIT- By the way, excerpt from #JJ2:
Neobeo, your product, JSD, has been charged of being STUPID, how do you plead?
hmmm... i plead "WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN A NEW VERSION OF JSD "

...umm... if I need to be able to edit the number of frames, either stated or implied, and that function is not available, I rather think that constitutes impaired functionality... oh, never mind. Not worth arguing about.

... and not going to happen anyway, unless someone suddenly decides to release a new version of JSD.

Originally Posted by Drmoo

mono could've done better on this stupid thing...

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Neobeo did a very good job on this. Maybe if I had the time to work on it, but I have not taken the time where as Neobeo has. And his progam is far more useful than my lack of a program. If you are complaining about a lack of flexability with the sprites, I imagine this lack of flexibility is more because of the game and not this utility.

I want an undo button.

And Batch mode!

Originally Posted by Marijn

And Batch mode!

You REVIVALER. It also needs to be able to change sounds.

I second Paco. And UR. And this post, hence quadrupling both Paco and UR.

Originally Posted by Pako Spanrabbit

You REVIVALER. It also needs to be able to change sounds.

Yeah because if there's one thing any sprite editor needs, it's the ability to edit sounds.

I want the JCS to be able to make me a mocha, because mochas have everything to do with editing levels.

Originally Posted by n00b

Yeah because if there's one thing any sprite editor needs, it's the ability to edit sounds.

It's not really the fact that it's a sprite editor that makes it special. MS Paint is a sprite editor. Graphics Gale is a sprite editor. This is a J2A editor. And J2As also have sound. And really, I don't see the point in turning Devil Devan into Goku if he's still going to giggle like a mad scientist and make squish noises when he jumps.

Originally Posted by Radium

It's not really the fact that it's a sprite editor that makes it special. MS Paint is a sprite editor. Graphics Gale is a sprite editor. This is a J2A editor. And J2As also have sound. And really, I don't see the point in turning Devil Devan into Goku if he's still going to giggle like a mad scientist and make squish noises when he jumps.

wish sounds ! But.. not "just" make a program for that...

This project has been abandoned

Seriously though, a new version is in planning stage, but with less free time on my hands than usual, it may be a long time before this sees the light of day. Also, I still haven't quite figured out how sounds work in the J2A, so the new version probably still won't come with a sound editor. This could probably be added in a later stage as an add-on to JSD or something, probably with the help of IceMAN or Dr Eggman or anyone who has more experience with sounds.

I could use some information in the JJA, like the point where a frame (of one animation) starts, and the width and height of it, how can I get that information ?

Well, unfortunately neither the width nor height is stored in the J2A (if I recall correctly) so you'll have to calculate it yourself from the umm... bytecodes.

Originally Posted by Neobeo

Well, unfortunately neither the width nor height is stored in the J2A (if I recall correctly) so you'll have to calculate it yourself from the umm... bytecodes.

Well, I just want that information because I need a handy format for my own game, but with animations I'm really stuck ( with gfx, and how to save them ).

However, Not to go to much offtopic, I could use Jazz for an example.

Maby people can start posting there animi file with there level packs.

or maby not

It's a shame this project seems to be stagnant. Not saying Neo is to blame, I understand how priorities change. But this semi-incomplete build isn't enough for a lot of people's ideas apparently.

Originally Posted by Strato

It's a shame this project seems to be stagnant. Not saying Neo is to blame, I understand how priorities change. But this semi-incomplete build isn't enough for a lot of people's ideas apparently.

Perhaps he can release the source, if he didn't.

What are your ideas ? Don't forget this tool "just" replace values. So adding more or less frames is perhaps possible, but would not be good. However adding more functions ( undo options and layers perhaps ? ) would be nice.