Originally Posted by Stijn

I guess that's where our opinions differ then. In my opinion community involvement in things done for the community, especially for such a "special" anniversary, is very important.

yeah right. in the end everybody would come to me and complain and say i should've organized it and blablalbla... same (-) every year

i'm never ever going to offer to help this community again.
you guys have never appreciated me.
in other communities i would've been an admin a long time ago already.

yeah i AM pissed off. and this was my final post here.
have fun with your anniversaries and whatnot

Not that this contributes, but I think Stijn is entitled to take his time... ;p

Slightly off-topic, but the "admin" status isn't like something like "Sir" which honorary members get. You can be a honoured and revered member of the community without being admin.
So please calm down on this issue and cooperate

(WA) that i'm still here after all these years despite eating so much (-) from everyone and volunteer to organize the 10th AB event of this game for YOU and i'm here to change things as all events since the one I had organized were crappy and all you do is PA me for that.. but whatever.

[Wide attack removal - FQuist]

Ok r3p. Maybe everyone does owe you some attention, JJ2WC and all that, maybe you contribute a lot, but have you ever considered why some people dont appear to appreciate you? I certainly dislike you because of how you treat me, ignore the review, everything else builds up though.

i treat you like everyone else, but apperently every once in a while you keep whining about something that happened 3 years ago. why can't you just be cool like your brother?

So don't you think that makes everyone be treated like gunk if you treat me the same as the rest? Secondly, I'm not the same person, and I always try to be different from him. ;\

Pardon me for being offtopic.

a bit offtopic too but I still can't navigate 24 Hour Coffee

I never play this level anywhere outside the bashes so I keep forgetting the layout

Originally Posted by R3ptile

and all you do is PA me for that

Its actually because of your outrageously bad attitude and overall surly demeanor, but whatever.

Let's see some lists and maybe vote from those.

CTF:

• Extraterrestrials
• Undulation
• The Genesis Reactor Core
• Sunken Realm
• Unconventional Coffee
• Earth
• Nightfall in Noobland
• Wormhole Check Point 18
• Cross Circuit
• After Dark
• The Demon Rampart
• Toxin Twister
• Dreaming…
• Altitude Terrace
• Turbo Shock Star Cruiser CTF
• Botanizer
• Mulch
• iSandbox
• - (NAIIICTF04)
• Greater Legacy

Battle:

• The Warden Woods
• Panic!!
• Sector Probe 68-A
• Rumble In The Bogs
• Caves of the Arabic Ninja
• Sandstone Ruins
• Foreign Country
• Temple of Karnak
• Sub-terrestrial
• Bobo Meets Royalty
• Forest Awakening
• The Frozen Throne
• Airlock Shutdown
• It's Over PF
• Desolate Chemistry
• 24 Hour Coffee
• The Chasm
• Dethroned
• Errors of Judgement
• Intercity Grudge Match (assuming Blur finishes this on time)

Still only a rough draft, so there is plenty of time for change. Also note that we limited ourselves to 20 levels per gametype.

those lists look nice. great job

Originally Posted by R3ptile

yeah right, no matter how much i want it i just keep getting rejected by the j2o staff every year. i don't even have an access to the AB forum.

Haha, gee I wonder why

Originally Posted by PurpleJazz

CTF:
big list

Something I'd like to suggest. It's good to have newer, popular levels in the mix, but year 10 is a pretty big deal. I think it would be good to have at least one notable level from every year, from 1998 to 2008. It might also be fun to order them by year, so that players can see the progression.

Originally Posted by EvilMike

It might also be fun to order them by year, so that players can see the progression.

That's a great idea, imo, however I'm afraid it'd only work if people remain in the server for a long time or join at the right time (in order to get the full "effect"). But since it shouldn't do any bad to order the levels chronoligally and it has this possible benefit, i highly second this suggestion. Maybe you could even add years to the level's textstrings (like level mady by blah) to the levels which don't have any thus far, that'd be cool.

Originally Posted by EvilMike

Something I'd like to suggest. It's good to have newer, popular levels in the mix, but year 10 is a pretty big deal. I think it would be good to have at least one notable level from every year, from 1998 to 2008. It might also be fun to order them by year, so that players can see the progression.

GENIUS

I'm averse against it. Since bashes give newer levels more exposure and potential to become popular.

Originally Posted by EvilMike

Something I'd like to suggest. It's good to have newer, popular levels in the mix, but year 10 is a pretty big deal. I think it would be good to have at least one notable level from every year, from 1998 to 2008. It might also be fun to order them by year, so that players can see the progression.

If people don't want to do exactly this, how about we add a text string to a corner of each level with a short description of what makes it noteworthy/when it was made/etc?

That idea of course assumes players read text strings. Might as well make a node on J2O or something else that does what you described.

Battle

-Panic!!
-6 Hour Energy Drink
-Desolate Chemistry
-The Warden Woods
-Sector Probe 68-A

CTF

-Extraterrestrials
-After Dark
-Sunken Realm
-Rooms
-Air Base VII

What if we just make an entry on the J2O wiki and let everyone add all levels they like. Then in the end we can filter them by J2O rating and have a level lottery or something.

Originally Posted by PurpleJazz

list

Thanks for reading my posts:

Originally Posted by cooba

Know what would be good for the 10th bash? People actually playing like they used to in the older years, rather than sitting in the server and chatting about everything and nothing.

Whoever is putting the level rotation this year should definitely keep this in mind. Some of the suggestions here are not more than average, gameplay wise.

For the rest it looks like an alright list imo.
But yes, I'm with EvilMike's idea here. =O

it is a nice list, yet people still whine. i personally would never join AB server just to "play"

I personally would never join a bash server which has Mulch in the loop

It would be nice if people actually listed the levels in the list they wanted out, or list the levels they want in, instead of the (disappointing) nonconstructive complaining. If you want the list to be good, give feedback. And stop whining. I find it rather disturbing that in celebrating that this community exists for 10 years, people mostly act in a way that shows the worst side of it.

I agree with Mike about 10 years being a special event. I also agree old levels should have some representation. I however recognize many people dislike the older levels and want new levels in. What about having some alternative chronological "legendary levels" pack that is hosted at a couple of special times? Or a certain timespan?

Whatever old levels will be in, I wouldn't like the famous 3 Diamondus Warzone, Semi, and Bblair to be in because those are way too overplayed last year (that doesn't mean they are bad of course)..

In my opinion, those levels shouldn't be in the bash10 loop:



The Genesis Reactor Core - surely blur has done some better JCS work than this? This is a fine level but hardly matches up to levels like Anarchy Inn

Wormhole Check Point 18 - gimmicky like Happy Canyon.

After Dark - good eyecandy, little else.

The Demon Rampart - the weakest one from the Agony pack I think? And already done last year, too.

Toxin Twister - already done last year, suited for competitive play making it less fun to play in public games, no thanks.

Mulch - Self explanatory, I hope.

Turbo Shock Star Cruiser CTF - same as Genesis Reactor Core.

Foreign Country - this level wouldn't be half as well known if it wasn't for the tileset that everyone seems to adore for some reason.

Sub-terrestrial - this was played to death last bash.

Bobo Meets Royalty - this one is in only because Stijn wanted it.

Forest Awakening - looks pretty but plays just horribly, never played it last year or something?

It's Over PF - I'm sick of this one.

24 Hour Coffee - no comment.



I was a little disappointed to see Stijn's and PJ's lists so focused on levels that are from 2006 at the most, though.

Also, I find it a little suspicious how PJ's fellow xtreme level makers!! have the most levels in this list.

What's wrong with Wormhole? ;o

hahahah, biggest anniversary coming up and people just keep blaming/flaming eachother behind backs. some "community" this is..

also its not that easy to make a "superb" list what satisfies everyone so :P

Originally Posted by cooba

Also, I find it a little suspicious how PJ's fellow xtreme level makers!! have the most levels in this list.

maybe because XLMers made the most levels this year?

Originally Posted by snzspeed

maybe because XLMers made the most levels this year?

Or maybe all XLMers are centered around nothing but their levels

Originally Posted by cooba

Or maybe all XLMers are centered around nothing but their levels

im not centered at all and there's still older levels in and stuff..

Originally Posted by snzspeed

there's still older levels in and stuff

I forgot that 24 Hour Coffee is a brilliant level that simply must to be in

Hmm.. not bad, but I don't understand why MULCH is in there. I would prefer the new version 'MALCH' or some other level. It also has some levels in that were in earlier Bashes. I can understand that 'classics' are in, but there are also some levels that were in AB8/AB9. I think it's not strange that most of the levels are by XLM members, because most new levels are made by them.

Also, can anyone tell me what Errors of Judgement is? A new level by blur? Or by someone else? I think some people will still be making levels for the Bash, but so far this is a pretty good list.

If you look at the j2o download-lists, make it show Battle-levels with minimum rating 7, sorted by date, you can see there aren't many from last year.

Originally Posted by cooba

FQ: I gave feedback earlier but unsurprisingly enough, Stijn and PJ ignored it

What feedback? "I won't join a server that hosts Mulch"? I hadn't read it until I wrote this post, I didn't ignore it.

Also, I find it a little suspicious how PJ's fellow xtreme level makers!! have the most levels in this list.

Come on, this didn't play a role at all for me.

Will respond to the rest later.

Originally Posted by Vivando

If you look at the j2o download-lists, make it show Battle-levels with minimum rating 7, sorted by date, you can see there aren't many from last year.

Battle levels from last year/this year with over a 7: Foreign Country, DarkMatch, Heated Pipelines, Sandstone Ruins, Daring Rebels, The Warden Woods, Hardware Database, Sector Probe 68-A, Christmas Clash, Rumble in the Bogs

Battle levels that haven't been rated yet: 6 Hour Energy Drink, Darker Remains, Scrap Brain, Mixxed Up, One and a half hour Dr. Pepper, Caves of the Arabic Ninja

And then there are the Battle levels that are not on J2O yet, dunno them all.

I'm just gonna post the legendary document I put together one awesome afternoon, hopefully you'll find something nice in it!

It's called goodctf!.txt, and I don't give a damn about if a level is new or not.

Nielsje
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Bay of Diamonds 		xlmbay.j2l
Eternal Gardens			xlmgarden.j2l
Quasar Quandry 			xlmqq.j2l
The Lion Sleeps Tonight		xlmlion.j2l
Emptherapy			xlmemo.j2l

Snooze
------
Galactic Warfare		J2VFGWCTFd.j2l
Clipboard Chaos			j2lcsctf1.j2l
Radiation			ICNA04d.j2L
Friendship			ICNAII01F.j2l
Tainted Heaven			ICNAII06F.j2l


Merlyn
------
Epitome				MlynEpitome.j2l

Ragnarok
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Planet Ozone (Code 5PDR3)	PO.j2l
Technodus Cargo Station		OLCTCS.j2l
Very Stupid Floating Castle 	OLCVSFCastle.j2l

DarkSonic
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XLM8D.j2l - The 8th Dimension
XLMDungeon.j2l - Disastrous Dungeon
xlmsign.j2l - Significant
XLMsi.j2l - Sharp Icicles
xlmnature.j2l - Nature's Bad Habit 
xlmpercept.j2l - Perception
xlminternet.j2l - Planet Internet
xlmpp.j2l - Private Property
XLMColdWaves.j2l - Cold Waves
XLMAppleland.j2l - Apple Land
XLMNOTSB2.j2l - NOT Security Breach v2
XLMStrP2.j2l - Street Pass no. 2
XlmPsCtf.j2l - Plastic Surgery CTF
XLMXStation.j2l - X-Station
XLMStrP1.j2l - Street Pass no. 1
XlmHotFreaky.j2l - Overheated and Freaky World
xlmburn.j2l - Forest Burn


CelL
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Claustrofobia.j2l - Claustrofobia!
DungeonCTF.j2l - Deserted Dungeon CTF
zaitoxctf.j2l - Zaitox Station 67
canyonctf.j2l - Evil Canyon CTF
chromctf.j2l - Chromosphere
OLCcosmic.j2l - Cosmic Compound
olcgalactic.j2l - Galactic-Hollow
anwarctf.j2l - Angelic Warfare
minidw.j2l - Diamondus Warzone (miniature)
olcsilvpenny.j2l - One Silver Penny
OlcsBcore.j2l - BlueCore CTF
olcscairnctf.j2l - Cairn Refinery
olcallurbase.j2l - All Your Base CTF
olcsother.j2l - Another Kind Of CTF
olcsanctf.j2l - Sanctuary
OLCse01.j2l - Sacrifice
OLCse02.j2l - Introspection
OLCse04.j2l - Sadness
OLCse05.j2l - Sanctuary

Jeh
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ctfdw.j2l - Diamondus Warzone

FireSworD
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olcnotbd.j2l - NOT Bleached Diamondus	
OLChigh.j2l - High Volume CTF
OLCJungE.j2l - Jungle\'s Edge
OLCMdvl.j2l - Medieval Skyscrapers
OLCTMP.j2l - The Melting Point

Blackraptor
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olcpinball2k5.j2l - Pinball Arena 2k5 
BlackCTF17.j2l - Cave clash
Blacklevel.j2l - The Junkyard
BlackCTF4.j2l - Hazardous Space
BRCENTRYv2.j2l - LeMoN NiGhTMaRe

EvilMike
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EvilMike209.j2l - The Marshland of Evil
EvilMike211.j2l - Distopia
EvilMike213.j2l - SPACE ISLAND LEVEL WITH ISLANDS
ab9ctf01.j2l - Helldome


Cooba
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ictoxint.j2l - Toxin Twister

Quickz
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qzctf071.j2l - Abandoned Sidewalks
qzctfrh.j2l - Rainbow Hills
QzSavanna.j2l - Hidden Savanna
qzhydro.j2l - Hydronificant!

Paul
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ICdeathF.j2l - The Death Facility
ICDRampart.j2l - Demon Rampart
ICDResearch.j2l - Distorted Research Site

Satan
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ab9ctf05.j2l - Personal park

Birdie
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ab9ctf06.j2l - Ice Cream Island

Superjazz
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Fioctfa.j2l - Atom Heart 243.5
ab8ctf18.j2l - Lord Lemon

BlurredD
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ab5ctf17.j2l - Security Breach v2
na
Waterfall Caves
ab8ctf16.j2l - Radioactive Soup
1UPpeasy.j2l - Pathetically Easy CTF
1UPn00b.j2l - n00bed! CtF v2
1UPbase7.j2l - Air Base VII
1UPswins.j2l - Server Sometimes Wins

White Rabbit
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wrsantranigus.j2l - Santranigus V


stripe
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ab5ctf14.j2l - Happy Semiconductor CTF

BloodBunny
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BBLAIR.J2L - BloodBunny\'s Lair
ab5ctf20.j2l - Dirty Laundry
ab5ctf12.j2l - Swingin Jazz

Unhit
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ab5ctf11.j2l - Knightmare Castle

Yasco
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xlmElecD.j2l - ÉLêCTrÎc DãÑGêR

Gizmaluke
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ab8ctf06.j2l - Cactus Jazz v2

Chiyu
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ab8ctf25.j2l - Cave Connection
Cracco CTF1.j2l - Christmas Blast

Sucer 
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elcas.j2l - Electric castle

Birdie
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xlmMULCH.j2l - MULCH

Saphir
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PRLULL.j2l - Uncool Lava Level

(Please note that I made this list some months ago, so I'm not saying that all other levels suck:P) I do seriously mean, though, that most of Birdie's levels suck (-)(-)(-). Wallace needn't feel sad, because I didn't take the time to look at his levels yet (I remember there being atleast one quite good though!)

Originally Posted by snzspeed

hahahah, biggest anniversary coming up and people just keep blaming/flaming eachother behind backs. some "community" this is..

Don't you get it? This is what th community is all about!

IT'S AN ANNIVERSARY BASH MIRACLE KIDS!

Originally Posted by Fquist

I agree with Mike about 10 years being a special event. I also agree old levels should have some representation. I however recognize many people dislike the older levels and want new levels in. What about having some alternative chronological "legendary levels" pack that is hosted at a couple of special times? Or a certain timespan?

Alternative pack for those legendary levels sounds much better then putting so much old levels in bash..