++ Newspaz

He knows how to speel dutch atleast.
Page tre is mine.

Click here! Look at what i made...

they should give the source code to us!
What do you think epic would do if we would use jazz2 source code without even asking them
my opinions:
A) They get angry. (and do something?) 74.9%
B) They don't actually care. 25.9%
C) They congrats us for recreating game to better. 0.2%

Originally Posted by Newspaz

They should teach you how to spell first.

i allways spell learn the wrong whay so that does not count

You mean:

I always spell learn the wrong way so that does not count.

*mauled*

Originally Posted by John4300

they should give the source code to us!
What do you think epic would do if we would use jazz2 source code without even asking them
my opinions:
A) They get angry. (and do something?) 74.9%
B) They don't actually care. 25.9%
C) They congrats us for recreating game to better. 0.2%

I say:
A.) 24.099%
B.) 75%
C.) 0.001%
EDOC ECRUOS 2JJ EHT SU EVIG CIPE!

you mean EPIC GIVES US THE JJ2 SOURCE CODE! ??

Well, this is acually quite funny. Epic doesnt want to give the source code to us. We can get parts of the source code ourselves, maybe even the most important parts. We are able to easily [s]edit[/s] rebuild the game and and then edit it. Epic will make the FBI put us all in jail. JJ2 will never die.

nvm this.

actually, you can already do that! just acquire a copy of the full IDA Pro to be able to reassemble, and you are done! oh, that reverse thing is part of my evil plan... PUT SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES INTO EPIC WORKER MINDS!!! WAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAAA!!! oh, well.

Hey guys, you can make uip stupid 'EPCI IS EVOL CUZ THEY WONT GIVE UZ SURCE KODE' Theories and such all day long. But heres the thing:
They don't have enough of the code at their offices to make a good enough release, or I guess even to work with. They might not even have it anymore come to think of it.

The first thing is not really possible, because they already made the game, they should have it somewhere. But the second one is REALLY possible, in fact that must be the reason for not giving the source...

Because the only reason to not give people things is not having them...

Originally Posted by MissingPako

The first thing is not really possible, because they already made the game, they should have it somewhere. But the second one is REALLY possible, in fact that must be the reason for not giving the source...

n00b is probably right. They might even not have it anymore. And even if they did they couldn't release it because most of it is Orange Games'. Don't ask me how to contact them though. The company has had a series of moves and name changes and I have no idea who's in charge of it nowadays. I can only guess who actually owns the code for the engine right now.

I think Shadow once told me it was stuck at Lost Boys games somewhere.

Orange games = Lost boys games = Guerilla games?

Originally Posted by MissingPako

The first thing is not really possible, because they already made the game, they should have it somewhere. But the second one is REALLY possible, in fact that must be the reason for not giving the source...

The programmer(Arjan) also worked for Orange games at the time AFAIK. Somehow or another, Orange Games became the owners of the code, since the three times someone got the license to use it, they got it from Orange Games and not Epic.

then why the hell we asked a million of times epic for the source code, if orange games are the owners of it?

Read Newspaz's post.

Originally Posted by Stijn

Orange games = Lost boys games = Guerilla games?

Well, I'm not sure if it's like that. I think it might be more complicated.

Link

Why do i actually work on ERE, you wonder.

I know! Cuz it sucks and you are trying to make it better. But you wont succeed But it is getting better already!

The source code doesn't exist.
Which is why there's the Jazz Network Blocker by Nimrod.

Look at the list server's motd to find it.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWNFILE

The source code doesn't exist.
Which is why there's the Jazz Network Blocker by Nimrod.

Look at the list server's motd to find it.

If there was no source code, we wouldn't have a game. And what does the net blocker have to do with it!?

Originally Posted by ThunderPX

If there wasn't a source code we wouldnt have a game.

Well it did exist at one point. But it's dead and buried now, so let's just abandon the subject.

Originally Posted by ThunderPX

And what does the net blocker have to do with it!?

So that when its running it filters out packets that are used by renamers, ASD, and various other crap like that.

And a final word: If you think it's possible to make a 1.25 try doing it in an ASM editor.

I have IDA pro now, but how did you guys get a source code with it?

If you read this thread carefully then you what you get isn't the source code.

I read carefully and it is a GUESS about how the source code could be. And the .idb file of pako gives me an error!

Just:
1.) This will only work if actually you have the full IDA Pro, if you have it, continue. Open Jazz2.exe.
2.) Edit it (DUH).
3.) Recompile it again.

Easy as that

Did you try how the code you got from IDA worked? If you make it an executable again, would it work? If so, then you have the source code of a working Jazz2-like program which you could edit how you please.

...I think ;s

It works AFAIK, but the point of having the "real" source is to have comments by the programmers to understand things better, and sometimes find some things that weren't compiled.

what?

Originally Posted by NinJazz

what?

Thank you for that extremely helpful contribution to the thread.

But this IDA-extract would be editable if one knows the programming language well enough? Awesome.

You could do all sorts with the source code! You could great new baddies, textures, a whole new game! Of course, you need programming skills. Which I lack.

thx 4 sharing m8!

I was wondering, Why they won't give us the source code? They now we can get it from the game illegal anyways.. They see how many people likes JJ2! Why not to give it to us? Its so (-) old game they wont do anything with its sourcecode anyway!

Originally Posted by John4300

I was wondering, Why they won't give us the source code? They now we can get it from the game illegal anyways.. They see how many people likes JJ2! Why not to give it to us? Its so (-) old game they wont do anything with its sourcecode anyway!

They don't know where the source is either.

They dont know what a source code is too. They simply cant think, so they dont know anything!

The game is seven years old. You can't actually expect them to keep track of something that buggy for so long, can you?

You can.

And now look what's happened? You're all disappointed and now some newcomers are trying to make up bad excuses as to why it is they don't have it. See, this is why you shouldn't expect it.