As stupid as it may be, it's true; PATPAY was a good thread that went on a little long. Try to find a different thread like Word Association. It is not that PATPAY was a bad thread, but it was just time for it to close.

Word Assocation has 1 sentence, and one word at times..so chances it will GO OVER the reply limit..so yeah now why not just get PatPay back, and the whole complaining will end?O_o

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I'm just saying that to prevent flame wars...o_0

Originally posted by dalspots
Word Assocation has 1 sentence, and one word at times..so chances it will GO OVER the reply limit..so yeah now why not just get PatPay back, and the whole complaining will end?O_o

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I'm just saying that to prevent flame wars...o_0

The only problem with that statement is that PATPAY's existance also caused flame wars, as not everyone liked it very much.

By the way, you can do WA in this format:

word
Anything you want to say.

then the complaining about closing patpay won't end!

I claim page in the name of stuff-sucks.

Heh, stuff sucks nowadays, everything sucks o_O, everything always sucks!, ah well can't complain least i still have my life as I know-

Does that make sense? o_O;

Originally posted by Trafton
As Derby said, it was just a convinient time to close it. I suppose it was sort of an honoring of a topic. It had a very long life, perhaps the longest of any thread, and that I suppose deserves respect. It was a commemerative thing as much as spam prevention.

I just checked. PATPAY lasted about 12 months, as opposed to Ummmm... War Stories might be back? By Various People's 21 or so months.


By the way, I always thought these word games were for you were in a car trip or something and had nothing else to do. If you have this much time to waste, while at a computer, find someone who doesn't. They'll have plenty of things to keep you from getting bored. Ever again.

I think the mods are hedging the answer to why we can't make a new PATPAY.

I didn't bother reading the other pages but....I'm glad it was closed. It was time for it to be so, it lasted way too long in my view anyway. I never bothered with it.

Honestly...I don't see why ya'll are upset. It was a topic online, I don't see how one can grow an attachment to a topic...don't ya'll have anything better to do?

Oookay.

As the person who posted second most in the entire history of Patpay, I think I have a little bit of influence when I say that I don't mind this. Of course, I would love for the thread to be reopened. Literally from the begining of this school year to the day it was closed I enjoyed posting in Patpay and having fun conversations and all kinds of stuff...I really was attached to that thread. It wasn't even a word game..I don't know why anyone thought it was. And yes, it's popularity started a lot of really stupid forum games, but didn't you notice that at Patpay's closing the only "word games" that existed on the front page were Patpay and the new WA. So forum games and word games weren't even a problem when Patpay was closed. It did cause some trouble, but it passed with time. I barely ever saw a flame war in Patpay...in fact I can think of nothing more than a few insults here and there.

Closing it is annoying, yes, but there will be other topics to post in...that's why I started the "Absolutely Nothing" topic...just a completely non-specific general topic where anyone can post anything they want, assuming it complies with the forum rules. Patpay's closing was a tribute to it, or at least we can look at it that way.

You got to understand...that thread was NOT popular. It was only big among probably about 10 total people. Everyone else I ever talked to hated that topic for no reason besides it was a game. The administration is not in Patpay's favor and never will be, so asking for it back is completely pointless.

So...Patpay had it's year, and it was good. But it's over, so lets just move on, okay? A lot of online things I sometimes held almost sentimental attachment to have been destroyed (J2C and the JMMB for one). But you'll get over it.

Originally posted by Shorty
Honestly...I don't see why ya'll are upset. It was a topic online, I don't see how one can grow an attachment to a topic...don't ya'll have anything better to do?

Sometimes I wonder if people have better things to do, too; then again, many people don't have better things to do for lack of exploration of the many realms of life. Alas, one little thread caused so much trouble. This could only mean that people need better things to worry about, or maybe they are more concerned about playing word games than living life to its fullest, I cannot say. ;-P


Anyway, my last comment here will be:

42.

Thank you.


This message from pranx0rific is hereby terminated. Good night.

well, but why da hey we can't create a new patpay?O_O everyone's avoiding answering that..O.o

Originally posted by Shorty
Honestly...I don't see why ya'll are upset. It was a topic online, I don't see how one can grow an attachment to a topic...don't ya'll have anything better to do?

So, I quoted this, cos I want to show, that we have still a "life".

I am in the inet only at the evening around 8 o'clock. I could also just sit in front of the TV and watch boring and stupid series. But I like to be in the inet much more, cos there's much more to "do" as sitting in front of the TV. I am now in the 11th grade and I have to work hard for the topics, we discuss in the lessons. It is normal to get homeworks with a minimum for 3 DinA 4-sites or how ever you call the size of this collegeblock sheets. So, I am in the Inet to get infos and stuff. Besides it is quite relaxing to play games like PATPAY or to talk with other people by MSN or ICQ.

When I'm not in the Inet I do my homework, I make my job, I visit friends, I go to the doctor (yeah, every week a syringe against my allergy and 3 times patient gymnastic per week to help my back and knees, so its quite annoying), I go to training and other stuff. It is just a "normal" life as you see.
And better believe me, Agent. I worry bout much more than only this thread. I am member of the Tibet Initiative Germany e.V., I am an active demonstrant against an Iraq war and I am pretty interested in politics. So, don't say to me, I have nothing to worry bout.

But lets focus the issue. Agent, as far as I know, you like to play U2k3, do you? So, just imagine, first-person shooter would be banned, cos this genre is too old and every genre has to leave the scenery. You wouldn't like it at all and maybe you would starting complaining bout it. So, then I could also say:"How can anyone complaining bout the closure of this stupid genre? Its just dumb and senseless to kill people to get points. Don't you have a life, or what?"
I don't really like those games, but I accept them and I don't complain bout them. But this is what you do. You complain bout the people, who want the PATPAY back and I don't see the problem, why you just don't let us want to have that thread back.
And I see your problem bout insulting Trafton for closing the thread. But I want you see, when you give a comment bout the man, who will ban the first person shooter...

And sorry for my bad English.

Yeah... a new patpay wouldn't kill us, we just want patpay back!, thats all.... no patpay then flame wars and such will start

Members vs Admins

The final decision o_O'

I wasn't talking about you dersie (and I said that, not Megumi). I know you have another life and that you at least have other things to do online. Good for you, but that is your life, not others.

I'm talking about others who are generally upset about this and actually feel lost without it, which in turn caused the JCF to get boring? That's *a little* extreme. Topics come and go everyday....what I would like to stress is to just deal with it. It's gone, disappeared, doesn't exist. I am just saying some of you need to JUST GET OVER IT! It's not coming back.


As for "Why can't we have a new PATwhateveritis", why would they let you have another?! THEY JUST CLOSED ONE! If they wanted another, they wouldn't have closed the first, righ? Common sense!!


It's not coming back and apparently, since it's the same people who post, no one cares THAT much besides a dedicated few. As one member, I, for once, actually support the admins on this one.

Did no one read my last reply or something? Geez. I was 2nd most active in that thread and I am fine with its closing. There are other things on the JCF, blah. Whatever.

On a somewhat related note, "Post About the Poster Below You" is either the worst or funniest topic of all time. I still have not decided. Still, I think that...uh...that's a strange idea for a topic. ;-P

I think this page explains it pretty much:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showt...pagenumber=251

The time on the first post(GMT, my time) is 2:11am. The time on the last post is 2:45am. That is a total of 34 minutes for an ENTIRE PAGEof posts, and inbetween that time I closed it for a short period of time. Notice the HUGE time delay of 5 ENTIRE MINUTES between two posts, the biggest one on the page. A further while down there are 5 posts posted in the SAME MINUTE! Word association didn't even have the same amount of posts in that period of time, and all you need to do is post ONE WORD.

Sure, I could understand that it is near the 10,000th post and that people would generally post more over this period, but the 10,000th post has already been posted, and most of the talk about that post was on the previous page even.

Try to persuade me this isn't spam

Originally posted by groovydog
Yeah... a new patpay wouldn't kill us, we just want patpay back!, thats all.... no patpay then flame wars and such will start

Members vs Admins

The final decision o_O'

That is very low, you know. We don't accept treats, too.

This won't lead to anything.
The ones who want the game are sure they're right,the admins think they're right,and all the others,too...NOONE'S gonna be persuaded by anything.

As some(prolly not) last words of mine here,I wanna say that I have to agree with Spaztic one some things.
It wasn't the THREAD we cared about...it was the people. You CAN get attached to PEOPLE,you know...

And I have to agree with Sproedli,EVERYBODY'S gonna react like this would one of their favourite hobbies simply...VANISH!

So whattabout this now:
We've built this whole board for a GAME!
With HILARIOUS LITTLE BUNNIES as protagonists!
AND TURTLES AS MAIN ENEMIES!
And you don't call THAT whatever you called the PatPay?(I'm sure words like "pathetic" have fallen...)
Think about all the realtionships in Jazz2.
The PatPay was simply a game like that.It was possible to make friends for life there,really!(I know what I'm talking about...met Pho and Sproedli there.)
And we're PATHETIC for being ATTACHED to that"useless thread"?
Think about it or leave it be,but don't give us the same,used arguments over and over again.

Sigh. Here we go again, running around in circles.

You apparently don't know who I am, dersproedel. Please don't pretend to, either; I am not really that immature, regardless of what people may claim. (I don't know what this 'u2k3' thing is, but I assume you mean 'ut2k3', or some variation thereof.) Think about it, if UT2k3 became banished, would I come whining to you, and make 5 separate threads about it? Probably not, because I know that you would not care; also, whining to people who obviously do not care is a waste of time and energy. However, it is unfair to deny that whining about PATPAY to people who obviously don't care is also a waste of time. Unfortunately, I have a lot of other things to do besides whine about games, whether they are FPS-type or word games.

Besides, in the first place, I wasn't actually referring to you; it is apparent to me that you have other things to do, but I am unsure of whether most of the other posters do. Yeah, I really love how people think I am talking to them, when I am not, and thereby take offense at the wrong things. ;-P

You brought up a good point, though. What if UT2k3, which is one of my favorite games/diversions, was banned for some reason or another? Yes, I love playing it, especially with ElectroPiZZa and Trafton. Yes, it might cause a few problems, but look at my views. First of all, UT2k3 has a larger community (i.e., more than 10 people play it), and for it to disappear, would be highly unlikely. Secondly, if I really wanted to complain, I would go to a UT2k3 forum and whine there, knowing that it is in the company of many other people who feel the same. Complaining here, in a place where only about 5 people play it regularly, would be folly. Third, I could always return to many of my other hobbies, such as writing, drawing, composing poems, etc., that are not UT2k3-related. There are also other games besides UT2k3 that I could play, too.


This "members vs. Admins" myth is actually more like "7-10 members (not sure how many) vs. Admins and the Other Members Who Don't Care", when you consider it.

Posted by DarkShadow
=(((((((((((((((((((((((((((
OMB OMB, I HAV NO WHEIR TO GET HIGH AMOUNTS OF POSTS WITHOUT BEING BANNED. >=(((((((

;-P If your existance depends on the Thread PATPAY, then go put your head in a trash can. Yay.

I seriously hope that people are not this dependent on PATPAY, but I cannot say for sure. ;-P



(People...if you would, please call me pranx0rific, or pranx0r. I would appreciate that. Thanks.)


~pranx0rific

Originally posted by Shorty
I didn't bother reading the other pages but.... I never bothered with it.

Senseful.
(Fawriel:User humiliation)
I know you'll hate me for this,but I can't let a chance go to make someone contradict themself(gr?)....

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
Think about it, if UT2k3 became banished, would I come whining to you, and make 5 separate threads about it?

I don't think I recall one person making several threads at once.


And yes,we know we're a small part of the community only.And prolly that we can't win this whatever-it-is either.
But,well,that's life...we will get over it,but til then,we'll keep fighting,I think..
And personally,I take this as a replacement for the PatPay-game...Discussing is fun!

Simplifying this to members versus administrators is not an appropriate measure. In fact, it is very low and I do not think it should be tolerated. After all, you far overestimate the amount of members who believe that PATPAY should remain. Many agree that it should be closed, even deleted. Turning this into administrators versus members is completely ridiculous. No one is at war here.

VelK's UT2K3 analogy was, well, a bit flawed, but still a good example. No one did make seven topics at once, but there were about three all asking what came of PATPAY. No one apparently bothered to check if there was already a topic such as this.

PATPAY was just a game. There are many other threads. As opposed to pointing out small deficiencies in analogies in these posts, please concentrate on the "big picture" if you will. We will get no where if we continue to argue these proverbial specks of dust regarding proper treatment of analogies, opinions, and some contradictions that may or may not occur when people are posting a lot and not necessarily concentrating on making sure everything matches. Those are small things, and do not merit discussion.

Traft:

1.You didn't listen to my opinion about"just a game".

2.Basically this seems to be some kinda guerilla-war,if you want to compare it to something really bad.Actually it's just a weird discussion.

3.I was just pointing out mistakes like that cos I was bored.Sue me!

Heehee,this is starting to be real fun!

Comparing this to geurilla war is...well...strange. I fail to see the relationship.

As for saying that PATPAY is a game like JJ2 and deserves just as much respect: the community is JJ2. The community is not PATPAY. While many community members may choose to play such word games as PATPAY, it isn't a huge part of the community. I guarantee you that eventually you will not miss PATPAY that much at all. The best thing to do is accept that it is gone and not coming back, because it is not coming back and it is, of course, gone. There is really very little to be done about it.

There are alternative games. I honestly think that because you want PATPAY back so much you are not looking at alternatives - play Jazz 2, play another game, there's all kinds of things to do. PATPAY is not the end of the world, nor is it the entire world. I know that this may not be true, but I think it might be what is happening.

Try things like levelmaking, tileset creating, art, drawing, and similar - reading, even. They pass time very well. PATPAY is not the only enjoyable activity out there.

Of course, if you wish, you can create some script/program/whatever to play PATPAY on some web page of your own. Even a Oneliner thing like at Haze's Hideout would work.

-All things die sometime

I guess that includes threads that were the most popular in JCF. I just wish I was on when people were debating about closing the thread so I could ove supported the thread. I will definately miss the thread, and I am proud for those 531 (around that number, I think) that have been in that thread. Though it WAS a pure spam thread, it helped to attract more members to JCF. Goodbye, old friend........

Ok, Piccolo, humiliation for you. I'm sorry if you didn't catch it, but you can't quote someone while chopping out stuff in between. Then it isn't a quote, but propaganda. By other pages, I meant this topic and it not being bothered with was PATWHATEVER. Thus, I did not contradict myself. I'm sorry if you didn't catch that...aww poor baby.

And another thing, you hold the FRIENDS you made there dear to you. Not the THING that made you meet them. Goodie, you made friends...keep them, let how you made them go.

And honestly, did you expect PAT to last forever? It's not the world and your world shouldn't resvolve around something (dare I say it) so USELESS.

All topics get closed at 10,000 posts anyway. Naa, PATPAL was great, though it sucked near it's demise cause everyone spammed. PATPBL just doesn't have as much essence as PATPAL did.

Originally posted by Shorty
Ok, Piccolo, humiliation for you. I'm sorry if you didn't catch it, but you can't quote someone while chopping out stuff in between. Then it isn't a quote, but propaganda. By other pages, I meant this topic and it not being bothered with was PATWHATEVER. Thus, I did not contradict myself. I'm sorry if you didn't catch that...aww poor baby.
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And honestly, did you expect PAT to last forever? It's not the world and your world shouldn't resvolve around something (dare I say it) so USELESS.

1.Well,about the quoting,that might be true,maybe that text I edited out made it not-contradictory....but I seriously didn't *understand* that post much after all...
Well excuse me please english ain't my first language!

2.Calling PatPay useless is useless. Cos uselessness is useless to tell others who already knew about uselessness around.

3.42.

42.About"aww,poor baby"....HEY! Xb What was THAT for? I think you took my little creation of boredom a little too hard...

1337.I'm just here for fun anyways.I KNOW THERE WON'T BE A NEW PATPAY! I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS THE WORLD! AND OMGLOLOLROFLOL U SO YAY FOR REDUCE SPAM LOL BUT NOW PPL WIL MAK NU THREDZ FOR SPMA LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111=))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))

Noticed that?
More spam-threads appeared...before it was at least kept in one!

Well,over and out,this is starting to get boring andI dun wanna get myself banned should one of our admin-buddies have a bad day today...THANKS FOR DISCUSSING WITH ME,GUYS! HAD FUN!

I was just going to mention that, after Patpay was closed a flood of new word/forum game topics opened up. Kind of ironic, eh?

What is Shorty supposed to do, whine about the thread being closed, or sit back and let everyone complain? Or, should she attempt to make her point clear, even though few people understand it? I think she makes more sense with her arguments, than many people who are mindlessly complaining about something that will not come back.

Calling something useless is not entirely useless, provided that you have a reasonable amount of actual evidence to back up your theory. If you cannot do so, then making statements such as "this is useless" is indeed useless, because you lack a logical reason to fall back upon, should someone question your statement. ;-P


~pranx0rific

But you have to give discussing with someone who doesn't want to at all IS useless!

"But you have to give discussing with someone who doesn't want to at all IS useless!"
I believe the Admins do not want to discuss this matter. There you have it.

I still say you should just make some seperate web page where you can play PATPAY (script, program, oneliner thing, whatever) without being frowned upon.

Originally posted by Unknown Rabbit
"But you have to give discussing with someone who doesn't want to at all IS useless!"
I believe the Admins do not want to discuss this matter. There you have it.

I still say you should just make some seperate web page where you can play PATPAY (script, program, oneliner thing, whatever) without being frowned upon.

Firstly,lol.

Secondly,something like that's being made.......but I dun like the site....Xb

Its time to move on people, the word association thread is waiting for us.....

I think no matter how many spam threads people close, we will make new ones. Like the word association, it was closed, people were angry, but then PATPAY came in. Now word association is claiming the members. The community jumps from one spam thread to another. People will forget about the thread over time..

Get over the stupid thread.

Originally posted by Krezack
Get over the stupid thread.

Before anyone says something potentially defamatory to counter Krezack, I would like to congratulate him for his directness in giving his honest opinion. Thank you very much, Krezack.



What I am going to say now is that no matter how much PATPAY fans attempt to persuade those who dislike it, nothing new or better will come of it.

You may think that I am being somewhat harsh here by critisizing PATPAY, but consider this: you cannot convince me to think otherwise, and I cannot convince you to think otherwise. Therefore, since it is blatantly clear that I am not planning on altering my opinion to reflect the opinions of those who are supporters of PATPAY, I highly suggest that we end this matter now, and simply put it to rest. The sooner we leave it behind, the sooner we can move on to newer, better things.

There are obviously more important things to consider and worry about; therefore, instead of wasting my time generating argument after argument to counter everything said here, I will finally cease and desist, providing that everyone else does so. Thank you for your time and consideration.



~pranx0rific

Originally posted by Agent Megumi
You may think that I am being somewhat harsh here by critisizing PATPAY, but consider this: you cannot convince me to think otherwise, and I cannot convince you to think otherwise. Therefore, since it is blatantly clear that I am not planning on altering my opinion to reflect the opinions of those who are supporters of PATPAY, I highly suggest that we end this matter now, and simply put it to rest. The sooner we leave it behind, the sooner we can move on to newer, better things.

~pranx0rific

Which is what I said already.

Originally posted by Piccolo
Which is what I said already.

If you had thought this way, instead of merely saying it, everything might have been a lot easier for everyone. In the first place, I did not see you mention anything about "put the matter to rest" in the beginning; you seemed to be more concerned about complaining. Think about what you say versus what you actually do; actions speak louder than words, for the most part.


~pranx0rific