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Dear J2O Downloaders, You're all shallow.

I feel that after getting over 70 downloads, and 15 reviews, on this parody of a recent Wallpaper upload I should at least give back to the community a bit more than a poorly done wallpaper (Which I am quite fond of reading your interpetations on. I also like how all of them are mostly false), and this is it.
A simple letter. It reads as so.
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ALL of you are shallow. I notice almost every time a purposely poor level/whatever is uploaded theres at least 7 reviews bashing it. At least seven. Whenever there is a highly praised SP pack, that same number occurs again. All it takes is one incredibly stellar or incredibly crappy upload, and the whole community jumps on and praise or bash the hell out of it.
Keep in mind, I did not request a review for my wallpaper.
I did not request critique for my scribbles.
You all brought it anyways. Meanwhile this diamond in the rough of a battle pack has a nice shiny logo reading "REVIEW PLZ".
Do you people not speak english or something? I hardly have time to review at all, so do alot of people. I also tend to not review MP levels since they require to be played online, and It's hard to find a host, and harder to find people to play in the level.
Regardless, you people had the time to bash a random wallpaper. You had the time to describe it despite 14 others already describing it for you, someone even had the time to be twice as shallow. Let me quote "da man"'s review:
It would be great if a level gets reviewed more times as well. This thing gets ‘reviewed’ lots of times. Anyway, this is pretty simple. I can’t draw very well myself, but this could have been much better.
I know most people are saying "Well whats wrong with that?". I'll tell whats wrong, he starts of by saying the wallpaper gets reviewed way to much (and frankly he's right) but he then goes on and does the exact same thing everyone else is doing.
This is the equivilent of a Police Officer telling you drugs are bad at a school rally and is then found afterwards in the bathroom snorting crack. I think the word is "Hypocrite".

So, J2Oers, I have a proposition for you: Maybe if you actually review good levels (and I'm also at fault here, I admit) then maybe people will have incentive to make good levels or improve really crappy ones. Also, ignore reviewing outlandishly bad uploadss when purposely done (because I'm ready to call all of you shallow again and type another rant, don't think I won't).
If all the 15 people who took the time to wastefully complain about a darn wallpaper invested that time review levels, and if by chance every 5 people reviewed the same level, we would have 5 reviews each for 3 levels. Thats more reviews than most levels actually get these days.
In a day where people complain there aren't good uploads, and there aren't enough reviews (Hell, uploads have resorted to pasting "Review plz" in their descriptions, at times to no avail) I'm deeply appaled at 15 people wasting about on a wallpaper instead of one of the dozens of other real, actual, levels that go unreviewed.

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I guess it's worth noting that an okay review of a good levelpack takes a lot longer to write than those post-it-note-reviews, but you are correct.
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I guess it's worth noting that an okay review of a good levelpack takes a lot longer to write than those post-it-note-reviews, but you are correct.
5-8 minutes of one's time is all to much to ask is it?
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I wasn't directing that at you, but rather to anyone would potentially use your first sentence as an excuse as to why they only do post-it reviews are extremely bad uploads.
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Meh, I tend to just download, delete if it's bad and not review.
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It takes effort to review a level, and people are lazy.

But I agree with you wholeheartedly.

However, I reviewed the wallpaper just to spite you.
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ALL of you are shallow.
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I virtually applaud this. Feel free to figure out why.
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Hehe, funny that my comment gets mentioned here. There are still some levels that didn't get reviewed yet. Myself I reviewed Personal Park, but The Death Facility and other ones still need a review.
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I don't review levels because I'm bad at it, art is a lot easier to critique on imo. I think that might also be one of the reasons why lots of people comments.

Edit: GJ N00b, you made me place a review on 'Random Battle levels'.
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(-) rate my grave g,im trying to become a elite level maker,i need to know how well ive done.
why can't i get 7 reviews like you noob?
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Well, apparently your levels are mediocre.
If your levels suck, people will gather in hoards to smear into your face just how bad they are.
If your levels are awesome, a bunch of people will tell you how much you rock.
If they are mediocre, I guess you'll have to figure out how to become good yourself, because nobody likes mediocre levels.

...that sounds really stupid, but I have the feeling it's true.
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Well, apparently your levels are mediocre.
If your levels suck, people will gather in hoards to smear into your face just how bad they are.
If your levels are awesome, a bunch of people will tell you how much you rock.
If they are mediocre, I guess you'll have to figure out how to become good yourself, because nobody likes mediocre levels.

...that sounds really stupid, but I have the feeling it's true.
Well lets see you make a level.
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Well lets see you make a level.
He did, all of them are rated above 8 I believe?
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I didn't mean to criticize you with that. Sorry if it sounded like it. I don't know your levels, I just made an assumption as to why you don't get many reviews. Think about it, it's much easier to just bash something that sucks or praise something that rocks than to actually provide constructive criticism for something that could use some improvement in order to become something good.


EDIT: I think so, Cooba.
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He did, all of them are rated above 8 I believe?
ive got above a 7
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... I agree, but does it count if you USE the wallpaper too?

n00b is actually VERY very right on this one... I know my levels are far from the best (at least I try, eh? I'm getting better and better quickly...) and I only have 5 reviews so far without actually asking for one. Heck, even when I DO ask for one, I often don't get it anyway.
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ive got above a 7
You do? I must have missed something in my review reports then.
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You do? I must have missed something in my review reports then.
Too bad his most praising review was downright terrible I quote "I love this tileset.You selected good tileset for that level " Keep in mind, thats half the review. The other half is something about girls being good, not so sure what that had to do with the level. Without that review, his level would have a 6.5 average. Theres also a review made by Jamster's brother. Since thats against the rules, we'll have to tack off the review leaving the average at 4.3. Or we could leave Musti's review in the long run, and level will get a 6.7, still short of a seven.
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Even still, reviews have become so misleading these days. Any review that wasn't made by a well established person tends to be well over or way under.

In terms of perspective, all of the levels that people actually play regularly are all at least 8.0's or much higher. Usually 8.8+. Therefore, in order to even have a playable level, it has to be stunningly good, considering it's getting harder and harder to get those marks these days.
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Well lets see you make a level.
Good point Ryder.

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Well, apparently your levels are mediocre.
If your levels suck, people will gather in hoards to smear into your face just how bad they are.
If your levels are awesome, a bunch of people will tell you how much you rock.
If they are mediocre, I guess you'll have to figure out how to become good yourself, because nobody likes mediocre levels.

...that sounds really stupid, but I have the feeling it's true.
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I didn't mean to criticize you with that. Sorry if it sounded like it. I don't know your levels, I just made an assumption as to why you don't get many reviews. Think about it, it's much easier to just bash something that sucks or praise something that rocks than to actually provide constructive criticism for something that could use some improvement in order to become something good.
Yeah I'm pretty well convinced that that definately wasn't meant to criticize.

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He did, all of them are rated above 8 I believe?
First of all, Cooba what do you mean all of them? He only did ONE FRIGGIN LEVEL! Now I guess I don't have room to talk considering I haven't uploaded any of my levels but n00b is right. You all are just downright (-)!!!
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All of Faw's levels are under his old name, Piccolo. Trust me, theres quite a bit.
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...firstly, what n00b said. Secondly, I checked, and most of my levels are not rated above 8, but are somewhere around it ( if you disregard small crap I uploaded years ago.. in fact, most of that was uploaded years ago ). Here and here.

Thirdly, what the heck? Why has this turned into a discussion about my levelmaking skills anyway? I never meant to criticize Ryder, I never even played any of his levels. In fact, I never download anything anymore these days. What I did was a general attempt at answering his question, which might have been a LITTLE insensitively formulated, but seriously, if you are that offended by that, you must be pretty full of yourself.
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I think it's because most people hate you, Faw.
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if you are that offended by that, you must be pretty full of yourself.
To quote the Odin, "Ryder has an ego bigger than Sol"
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I think it's because most people hate you, Faw.
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I like Faw lots =D.
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Thing is though, n00b, it took me about 5 seconds to download the wallpaper and about another 10 seconds to look at it and type up a review. On the other hand, it took me over an hour (I can't remember exactly how much over, though) to review the IC battle pack, and a LOT more thinking and such too.

The point is, your comparison to your upload and other level uploads in terms and all that stuff you said about the numbers of reviews etc. isnt entirely accurate. Anyone can take 15 seconds to look at a picture and post a witty (or not so witty) comment in reply to it, but not everyone feels like spending an hour to play through and criticize a level or level pack.
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Your review doesn't count, Blacky, since its rating got removed and, you must agree, it was much crappier than the one on IC.
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One thing I've noticed is that ratings are quite inbalanced. Take my Penguin Hotel for example. Go search it and download it. Then look at it's rating. N/A. Now search for flat battle by golden jazz and look at THAT. Much lower quality, and a 1.
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What tf Flat battle is the best jj2 level ever.
I give it a 10.
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Innocent, people probably didn't rate it because it's a hotel. You can't review hotels, you'd need to host them and singleplayer hotels suck. Golden Jazz's battle can be reviewed properly seeing as it's ment to be played together and it can be played in Singleplayer to learn the layout and stuff. Singleplayer in hotel has no use.
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Uploading hotels on J2O has no use in general. And then again neither do the hotels themselves.
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with hotels,its different,normaly you hate hotels or love hotels,its normaly never hotels are ok,or hotels are a bit good.
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I like Faw lots =D.

Yay I'm not alone =D

...and I said "most people."
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with hotels,its different,normaly you hate hotels or love hotels,its normaly never hotels are ok,or hotels are a bit good.
... Would you care to translate the last part?

Hotels/cities like Ogi City are better than, for example a hotel without eyecandy, fun things and stuff.
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Get out of my thread,shoo shoo,dam camou's thease days,everywhere.
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