Of course I read your brackets. The fact that you thought something as opposed to being sure about something has nothing to do with the fact that it was wrong and that you could have checked it if you took a few quick seconds.
EDIT:

The people (including the topic starter) making the assumption that Rein's e-mail somehow said that he refused to give the source seem to be not reading the mail correctly.

Err, I was referring to the fact that if he isn't even going to let us make a fangame from scratch we are far from the source code.

The situations aren't remotely alike.

but anyways.....

The only way Epic could stop us from making a fan game
is by sueing us. and thatwould be a waste of time for them.
besides the fact it has been done millions of times before,
and they probably wouldn't notice anyways. and if a fan game
was made, it would be the creator(the jj2 community)'s property.
therefore, copywrited by, us. so, if we want to program a JJ2
fangame, heck, even make a jj2 sequel, even make something
in game maker for crying out loud, we can.
and that's it for my ramblings.
and sorry, i was too lazy to use proper capitalization and stuff.

No we can't.
Show us where it says we own the rights to "Jazz jack rabbit, Spaz jack rabbit, "the bunny", or any character in JJ2"
Loosely quoted from the TOS you agreed to when installing JJ2.

meh.

but we still can make the games. like what i said,
(and whoever else said) it's been done millions of times
before with coppywrited characters, like Mario, Sonic, etc.
so why can't we?

As alreadu said, those are illegal too, but it seems Sega and Nintendo aren't going after them. Mainly because people who make Sonic fangames aren't stupid enough to contact Sega and say "Hey there, we're doing something illegal, care to support it?"
Square however is less lineant on this, and has sent cease and desist letters to people who made fangames using their properties(even if that person never contacted square to give them the heads up).

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

So, it's useful to distinguish between purple and white.

Must be half color-blind.

Originally Posted by n00b

...aren't stupid enough to contact Sega and say "Hey there, we're doing something illegal, care to support it?"

Just pointing Jam on this kind reply

Anyway,

Originally Posted by Cheese

it would be the creator(the jj2 community)'s property.

True

Originally Posted by Cheese

therefore, copywrited by, us.

Untrue

You own your own fangame (duh).. but you can only get the copyrights for the characters and such by buying the copyrights

I don't think lawyers really care about a situation like this. Notice how Rein said "I'm sorry" in every post, with not much thought involved. Constant use of words like "Intellectual Property," he basically said the same thing 3 times. So this is how Epic is, still the same after all these years, with their 1-2 liner emails.

Originally Posted by Tubz

I don't think lawyers really care about a situation like this. Notice how Rein said "I'm sorry" in every post, with not much thought involved. Constant use of words like "Intellectual Property," he basically said the same thing 3 times. So this is how Epic is, still the same after all these years, with their 1-2 liner emails.

What is he going to do, write us a sonata? He said what he needed to say. He has other things to do than go on and on about simple concepts. The fact that he said he was sorry and was polite and unaggressive is all one can reasonably expect from an interaction like this.

Yep, but he could use a bit more creativity in his posts, rather than say the same thing like 3 times.

Why should he?

that would look far more professional and more interested

Interested? Why should he be at all interested? He doesn't care, it's just part of his job to say no. And if his responses varied, people would just keep contacting him. He has an unchanging position and there's no reason to represent it differently every time.

It's somewhat exceptional that the guy in charge of a big company like Epic actually takes the time to answer us personally.

Yeah. And they have proven themselves to be accommodating enough, by redirecting the old listserver path to Nimmy's list. I like Epic lately.

I still dont like epic.

Try giving a reason!

they dont give a (--) about JJ2:P

aaaaarg... [* put some flame here *]
Nobody hold a gun to Epics head to redirect the serverlist... I like them

Oh, they don't? I think they do, or they wouldn't have forwarded the list server recently.

Apart from that, they indeed don't show a lot of interest (apart from CliffyB who mentions the game from time to time) but I can't say I'm very surprised. The game is 8 years old after all, if I were Epic I wouldn't pay much attention to it anymore either.

poor you:P now I dont like you too:P


okay, the thing of the serverlists is good, indeed. I hope it's just the beginning of the revival of this game.

Not liking a Super Moderator isn't the best step you've made, Jerry.

I still like Epic. They make quality games, redirected the serverlists, and at least personally respond to us. Thats more than any other corperation would have done. They've already gone up and above the standard for communication about an 8 year old game, we really shouldn't expect more than they've already done.

Originally Posted by n00b

Not liking a Super Moderator isn't the best step you've made, Jerry.

If things like that would influence me certain people would already be banned

It is in their interests to respond and say no, though. 3D Realms does that too.

Epic hasn't done anything for us Aussie JJ2ers so I don't think they're too flash.

Why would they do something especially for gamers from Australia?

Actually I haven't seen anything from them in Aus. I wonder how JJ2 got here then, seeing as I got given a copy from a school...

I'd think that the Australian publisher of the game, not the producer, should do "something" specially for Australian players.

Right, but I still see no Epic...

start JJ2 and don't skip the intros

Originally Posted by ShadowRabbit

Right, but I still see no Epic...

Why should they go out of their way to do a favour on an obscure game that even most people here agree is unnecessary? Again, we have few Aussie JJ2 players; certainly, we have at least four or five times as many Europeans and three or four times as many Americans.

If your idea of a successful working interchange is to get exactly what you want while the other person is forced to go out of their way, beyond the point which their job requires, even though they do not know you, you will live a life of frequent disappointment.