Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

what the hell is fable of half life 2

I believe he meant Fable or Half Life 2. I've never played Fable, but Half Life 2 was amazing (written by a professional Sci-Fi author, I think) and I don't believe this story is quite up to the standards set by HL2.

Sorry to break it for you, but this will not work out if it's done the way it is now.



While fandom and dedication is necessary for a franchise to be revived/kept alive, what you need more is professionalism. If a game created by the fan(s) won't be professional, no one will like it and/or appreciate the effort you've done. And while you do show a lot of will, there's really no sight of professionalism at your doings, no offense.

Let me start with the most obvious thing. You're 15. I'm not saying that 15 year olds can't pull out professional stuff, but we're talking about a franchise. Dead and short-lived franchise, but it is still a franchise. To continue a franchise, one needs to have a lot of knowledge about the franchise and its past. The "story" you've made a few pages back shows that you lack some of the most basic information, to be honest.
I actually took the pain (sorry, but the text formatting, or lack thereof, is ridiculous) to read the chapters thoroughly, and not only the writing style is not exactly the best, but this story just sounds as non-canon as JJA's. (At this point, I'm assuming you do know what JJA is and how it turned out to be.)



Another thing is that we don't know anything about what can you do. This thread has 7 pages as I'm writing this. By that time (which is about two months), you should have some really basic stuff lined out:

1. At least a basic scenario for the game

You make a story out of a scenario when the scenario is all finalized. A scenario is a better way to go because it's much more faster to take together and can be easily adjusted overall (unless you're doing some heavy plot redoings). Starting with the story is what most inexperienced (again, no offense) designers do. That's a way wrong approach, for it takes a lot of time which should be spend on other, more important things first.

2. Some first basic gameplay concepts

I don't think I've seen anything else gameplay related other than your idea of bringing melee fights. People however have expressed that such a concept wouldn't work in a 3D game (Radium rose a very valid point here). The problem is, even if you would magically make 3D melee entertaining, then it wouldn't fit into the game. Jazz has always been about big, destructive guns, not sword fights. The pace of the Jazz games comes partially from the weapons, and adding melee fights (especially in early phases of the game) would slow down the game a lot.

I recall that someone from the JJ2 dev team (Arjan?) commented Captain Claw (which was during development at the same time)'s multiplayer: "sword games aren't too fun, even with 64 people". Which just means that the dev team didn't like the idea of melee (which probably caused the Tweedle boss to be canned).

Which also leads us to the point that there no real gameplay concepts right now.




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I'll finish this later. I got to go now, and there's many other stuff I have to bring up.

THANK YOU COOBA! I'm glad someone said something about this. Just another point, Epic will not make a game as a labor of love. There has to be profit in it, unlike Jazz Jackrabbit.

Finally, what everyone has been trying to say in one post.

yeah yeah i know that they may not like my story but at lest i'm trying to bring jazz back to life. most of you guys say oh they woundn't bring jazz back to life think for just one sec if the proplem is jazz dosn't make money then why not just get a LARGE group of people to write oh lets say a protision with enough names they should go hmm people want to bring jazz back to life and there are a lot of names here we can make money agian. and even if they don't like my story i'm trying to bring jazz back to life i don't want to sound rude but the people that post to this forum most of them just say oh i can't do it they will never bring jazz back to life just give up. NO i never give up you may have given up hope that they will bring jazz back to life but i NEVER WILL i have my reason's for trying to bring jazz back to life and i will get them to. you people may say that i don't but i know i will get the story done. you just wait and see.

Saw that typo. my bad it was meant to be 'or'.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

why not just get a LARGE group of people to write oh lets say a protision with enough names they should go hmm people want to bring jazz back to life and there are a lot of names here we can make money agian.

Um, we don't have a large group of people, especially compared to their other franchises. Google "Unreal Forum". The first result has 34,599 members, 8,851 of whom are active. The JCF has 3,545 members, with 308 active. Assuming the amount of forum members is proportional to how many people liked a game (which isn't true, but a true ratio would only sway it in Unreal's favor more), that means the number of people that currently like Unreal is more than twice as large as the number of people that ever liked Jazz, ever, and Unreal has at least 30 times as many fans.

A company doesn't make a game for 300 people. Off that group alone, they might make 10,000 dollars. That's 10,000 dollars to pay all the game's producers (animators, coders, etc) for however long it takes to make the game. For comparison, the guy that dresses up as Ronald McDonald makes 50,000 dollars a year. Assuming it takes only a year to make the game, and if there was only two people making the game, they would both be paid one tenth the salary of a man who dresses as a clown for a living.

Cooba is right; most important here is gameplay concepts. Making a good game isn't just a matter of making another Mario-64-ripoff platformer with different characters; it needs an original premise. If you want to be helpful, you're better off focusing on gameplay rather than story.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

what the hell is fable of half life 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fable_%28game%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_Life_2

Originally Posted by Radium

A company doesn't make a game for 300 people.

But THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAA

How many people have signed up for Jazz2online? If we get every last one of there names epic will have to make Jazz3. Ether that or we settle for the test demo. Oh and of the topic of half life you know the powered up gravity gun? Well I found a cheat code to get it at level 1 and it's like holding god in the pome of your hands!

Originally Posted by SonicNathan 1

How many people have signed up for Jazz2online? If we get every last one of there names epic will have to make Jazz3

Looks like 7000ish, though no telling how many are active. Still nothing in comparison to the Unreal franchise. Face it, guys, you aren't going to make Epic do your bidding by having a lot of people ask them nicely. The only way any of you could make a difference would be to program a game engine that was incredibly innovative, powerful, original, and fit Jazz quite well, then try to sell it to Epic.

Originally Posted by DoubleGJ

But THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAA

Thanks for making me almost spill Coca Cola down the front of my shirt. If you're saying we should throw a spear at CliffyB's head, it's probably the best idea so far in this thread.

Originally Posted by SonicNathan 1

How many people have signed up for Jazz2online? If we get every last one of there names epic will have to make Jazz3. Ether that or we settle for the test demo. Oh and of the topic of half life you know the powered up gravity gun? Well I found a cheat code to get it at level 1 and it's like holding god in the pome of your hands!

The JCF has 3,545 members, with 308 active.

Meaning only 308 are available to give their name, and even less actually would. And even if you could get the name of every member, Rad already mentioned the first UT forum on Google has amount ten times as many members as the JCF.

I wanted to finish my "analysis" I left unfinished, but this post (which evidently didn't take into account about 70% of what I wrote ) made me lose all hope in this project.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

yeah yeah i know that they may not like my story but at lest i'm trying to bring jazz back to life.

First things first, you're not the only one who has ever "tried" to do it. There have been other people such as you, and apparently they've failed. But before they failed, they got hardly any community attention because what were they doing was unprofessional. Baggers' project got attention because he had a lot of gaming/coding experience and his stuff looked very promising. On the contrary, you're a beginner and you don't have any stuff as of yet.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

most of you guys say oh they woundn't bring jazz back to life think for just one sec if the proplem is jazz dosn't make money then why not just get a LARGE group of people to write oh lets say a protision with enough names they should go hmm people want to bring jazz back to life and there are a lot of names here we can make money agian.

Radium defeated this already, so no comments here.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

NO i never give up you may have given up hope that they will bring jazz back to life but i NEVER WILL i have my reason's for trying to bring jazz back to life and i will get them to.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but if you won't start taking our advice, then you may just as well give up.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

you people may say that i don't but i know i will get the story done. you just wait and see.

I assume you stopped reading my post at the point where I mentioned the story. In case of which, shame on you.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

Also, I just wanted to point out that people are beginning to make fun of you and your (ab)use of :lori: .

lol, peanutbutter obviously has no skill in programming/mapping at all.. and he cant even spell, and this project is dead " "

I say that we fight epic in the shade for the JJ2 rights, since their lawyer's cease-and-desist letters will blot out the sun.

sigh you guys take all the fun out of things you know that. look you say i sould give up all hope of there ever being a JJ3. there's like a 99.9% chance that there won't be a JJ3%. but i at lest just want to try my best to finsh the story then post it up here and if you still don't like it then well i wasted my time making it. but just let me finsh it then read the story befor saying that i sould give up i already have a perfect ending all lined up and everything. look the point is that most of you people just don't think that there will ever be a JJ3 right well then my advice would be if all posable then all the people how don't think JJ3 will be made and the just want to try and stop me making i say GET OUT OF THE FORUM AND STAY OUT. there i said it all of you who have been bagging me out about the story just get out of this forum and stay out please.
p.s you can stay as long as you just don't bag me out about the story.

Are you guys still trying to get epic to make the game ? You'll put us out of business.

Originally Posted by Coolpeanutbutter

GET OUT OF THE FORUM AND STAY OUT

You don't have the power to ban like an admin, so any threat/warning you may give is usless. " "

Will everybody shut the hell up! Lisen. If all your here for is to keep saying that Jazz3 will never then don't bother posting! We don't care what you think! At least were trying to do something while all you guys do it sit around going ow epic will never do this or do that! Instead of not having hope help us out! There may be a slim chance but what have we got to lose? The fact that ones fight and ones wrong!?!? Stop it! This is why Jazz3 hasn't come yet because we haven't shown epic that we want it to come! You all have no hope! Have hope! Something will happen weather it's in 1 2 or 10 years! Listen when I get older I'm going to become a game designer and using what I know I'll make jazz3 if I have to alone! Now we can wait that long or we can do something now! huff puff. That was a little much.

PS I'm still with you and you idea Coolpenutbutter.

well, I've been "doing something now" for a while now.
If you get Epic to make this, thats bad for business.

Originally Posted by ambesoftware

Are you guys still trying to get epic to make the game ? You'll put us out of business.

I do not think that because one team wants to make a game (which has not been endorsed by any company and is in troubled trademark/legal grounds), an entire community should work against any attempt to empower the franchise. It's good to have people make efforts, but it's also definitely a rather backfiring attitude to say "don't do anything, just wait for us". That's one of the biggest failing reasons for projects - creating too much dependencies. If your project is well thought through and strong, it will probably work regardless of how outside factors work out. If your game engine and ideas are strong enough, even a non-endorsement by Epic would not crush it. So focus on making a strong game, not on tweaking the external world on your behalf.

Well, it was meant more ironic than it may have seemed.
I should have put some "^^"s there or something.

Originally Posted by Coolpenutbutter

sigh you guys take all the fun out of things you know that. look you say i sould give up all hope

WRONG. We never said give up hope. We just said that YOU Mr. Penutbutter, aren't gonna make it happen, and neither will a small petition. Games sell in the MILLIONS nowadays. That means each JCF member would need to buy about 1000 copies each for it to be close to a success.

Originally Posted by Coolpenutbutter

there's like a 99.9% chance that there won't be a JJ3

78% of statistics are made up.

Originally Posted by Coolpenutbutter

but i at lest just want to try my best to finsh the story then post it up here and if you still don't like it then well i wasted my time making it. but just let me finsh it then read the story befor saying that i sould give up i already have a perfect ending all lined up and everything.

YOU DON'T (-) UNDERSTAND. Do people play Unreal for its story? NO. You need more than a story to attract attention.

Originally Posted by Coolpenutbutter

look the point is that most of you people just don't think that there will ever be a JJ3

*points at company MAKING THE (-) GAME.*

Originally Posted by Coolpenutbutter

right well then my advice would be if all posable then all the people how don't think JJ3 will be made and the just want to try and stop me making i say GET OUT OF THE FORUM AND STAY OUT.

I'm sorry, but since when was your story Jazz 3? It's more like fan-fiction with no spell/grammar checking.

Originally Posted by Coolpenutbutter

there i said it all of you who have been bagging me out about the story just get out of this forum and stay out please.
p.s you can stay as long as you just don't bag me out about the story.

I think it's obvious that if everyone is "bagging" you out, you should stop because you don't have support.

Originally Posted by SonicNathan_1

Will everybody shut the hell up! Lisen. If all your here for is to keep saying that Jazz3 will never then don't bother posting! We don't care what you think! At least were trying to do something while all you guys do it sit around going ow epic will never do this or do that! Instead of not having hope help us out! There may be a slim chance but what have we got to lose? The fact that ones fight and ones wrong!?!? Stop it! This is why Jazz3 hasn't come yet because we haven't shown epic that we want it to come! You all have no hope! Have hope! Something will happen weather it's in 1 2 or 10 years! Listen when I get older I'm going to become a game designer and using what I know I'll make jazz3 if I have to alone! Now we can wait that long or we can do something now! huff puff. That was a little much.

PS I'm still with you and you idea Coolpenutbutter.

Not gonna take upart, but you guys don't (-)ing listen! AMBESOFTWARE IS MAKING JJ3. ANYTHING YOU MAKE COOLPENUTBUTTER DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AS JJ3 BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A GAME. ALL YOU HAVE IS SOME (-) STUPID FAN FICTION. UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME 3D MODELS RENDERED AND GAMEPLY IDEAS, YOU SHOULD SHUT UP. This applies to both Coolpenutbutter and SonicNathan_1.

Originally Posted by Fquist

I do not think that because one team wants to make a game (which has not been endorsed by any company and is in troubled trademark/legal grounds), an entire community should work against any attempt to empower the franchise. It's good to have people make efforts, but it's also definitely a rather backfiring attitude to say "don't do anything, just wait for us". That's one of the biggest failing reasons for projects - creating too much dependencies. If your project is well thought through and strong, it will probably work regardless of how outside factors work out. If your game engine and ideas are strong enough, even a non-endorsement by Epic would not crush it. So focus on making a strong game, not on tweaking the external world on your behalf.

What you said basically goes with what I'm saying. If you notice, I bolded game play references. Notice how they all focus on GAME? Jazz Jackrabbit is about a GAME. Not Final Fantasy with rabbits. Not Mario with rabbits. It is its own game, and as far as I can tell, you're writing a STORY.

Bottom line, somebody (if it's possible) should just change this topic title, and move it to the War Tavern. Because it is FAN FICTION.

*puff* Done now.

shade have you even read what i whort some time ago yes i know the AMBESOFTWARE is making the game. like i sayed some time ago that my story is a backup we may not need it but i'm making it just incase.
oh and ps you can stop trying to get me to stop but you won't i get picked on a lot at school for the story i'm writeing and the kids try to stop me but they never do so you people should stop trying to.

Talking of stop trying, you should both stop trying to get people to say and do what you want them to do, Mr. "Cool" PeanutButter and SonicNathan_1. Yes, I know how you guys must feel right about now (Pest Eliminators for example, I really hate to bring it up but I'm forced to, go search it and see for yourself if you must), but please, think realistically. Jazz Jackrabbit 1 & 2 were created from the Unreal engine, as was the Jazz Jackrabbit 3 demo. The Unreal engine, obviously, was originally designed to be used in Unreal and the following sequels. Unreal has made lots of money for Epic. JJ1 made a fair bit, but JJ2 didn't, neither did TSF, so obviously JJ3 was very unlikely. One publisher lost money on JJ2 because they didn't sell any other good games, so other publishers wouldn't want to take the risk of JJ3 because it might not work out. Epic will not make a game for a small community or "out of the goodness of their heart", they'll make it for money, and a Jazz Jackrabbit game is dicey in that area.

if i worked for epic and saw this thread and some other stuff in here, i would never even consider making a game for such a immature community.

i would, however, get a good laugh, and actually i just did.

Shade, you're getting close to being flamey now. Do watch it.

Coolpeanutbutter, I think you are not being realistic, and you should not tell people what to do based on non-yet-materialized ideas. Epic is not going to make a game based on a couple hundred signatures, nor based on an early draft of a story.

However, I think you also shouldn't be told to just quit and there is way too much negativity here. In reply to that, can't you focus on something different than the arguing and making other people join up with draft projects, and concentrate on writing a good story/plot/game idea? The negativity here is kind of excessive, but you're also making it go on by focusing on replying to the negativity instead of doing your own thing regardless of what others think and focusing on just making a good story and on building something up. If it's good enough, people will join up. They won't be convinced by arguing.

Sorry about that... just didn't think my opinion was being recognized/understood.

"sigh" alright you guys win i have given up on makeing the story. also i'm playing world of warcraft so i'm adiced to that know anyway lol. oh and stop stealing what did with the lori head you bunholes.

ok. I give up to. If your going to make Jazz 3 can you give me updates on how well the projects going?

http://www.ambesoftware.com/Forum
SonicNathan :P

This thread is absolutely useless and not beneficial to the community. It's doing nothing but creating arguments and causing confusion.

Coolpeanutbutter, if you love to write Jazz Jackrabbit stories, I suggest you pay a visit to the War Tavern and post some stories in there where they will be welcomed.

What Ani said. And we're not stealing the Lori smily, it's for free use by anyone lol

I saw this coming

Yeah... and nobody else did....

Wow, I saw this coming too! PSYCHIC

Can we let this topic die already?

lol i saw it comming

lolololololol

I still don't like any of you.......