tell some of the levels what u are buiding and goning on j2o

[FreeFull]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2464/screenshotjazzjackrabbius0.png

[Wolfiend]

NEWS!

HEY everyone! I'm back! Do you miss me(I think not:rolleyes: ). Its been around 2 months since I write about Need for Bowser 4.
Its been nearly dead for several reasons:
1.I don't have idea for the desert level, what kind of should be(example: fighting, puzzle, water...)
2.I don't have much help in it(the help I get in it is around 0%)
3.I found other job to do
4.I forgot about it
5.My net died(This means no supplies for it)

But I am on it now thx to the NES midis I listened to. It always give me NEStalgia :-) . I hope I can ask for help from you nice people, like testing and other stuff. If anybody want to have a part in the work just let me know, I am really in a "Need for Wolfiend"!

[Raven aka StL]

http://www.freewebs.com/quickzcc/swampsex.bmp

There, a CTF, just for fun ;P

That looks fairly decent...
The background (lots of sky) looks somewhat empty, but that could fit the theme if certain conditions are met.
Also, the leaf growth on trees seems to be in but angular shapes, which decreases visual enjoyment by as much as an inch.

I'd appreciate it if you'd accept me as a beta-tester...
Unless you're way ahead with that, of course.

[Wolfiend]

I'm around 50%... ok perhaps only 40%. I only done with with the lvls in 80%, easy mode stuffs missing and I still want to do changes in them.
If intrested in testing or other stuff, mail me on wolfiend@gmail.com !!!!
I have msn too, we can talk in there too.
I need all the help I can get!

[Jimbob]

As some of you may already know, I have been working on Forsaken Fortress (I just hosted it earlier today.) Here are some screenshots:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ForsakenFortress2.png?t=1197770409">
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ForsakenFortress3.png?t=1197770510">
As you can see, I have changed the tileset and music, as I wanted a much darker level with music that went well with it. The tileset in the first screenshot was too dark. D:

[Hitch]

..Well, I don't want to say "Jimbob, don't use that tileset, it is going to be overused way to fast" because you have already started it..But, don't release it until you see another level with that tileset, with some descent eyecandy.

[FreeFull]

Why you haven't given up on the name?

[cooba]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ForsakenFortress2.png?t=1197770409" />

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ForsakenFortress3.png?t=1197770510" /> Background fade color does not suit the level's lighting at all No background scenery Tilebugs in brick-based areas Layer 4 cave tiles too plain The chains on the metallic backgrounds are overdone and don't tile in places The grassy platform in the second screenshot is out of place, as well as the metal net Music doesn't fit Credits text string is annoying (random colors and too wide) Name already taken <s>It's either 'blur' or 'BlurredD'</s>

[Jimbob]

Background fade color does not suit the level's lighting at all
It's supposed to be a spacey level, (-)it :(
No background scenery
There is, just join my server or get me to send you the level :)
Credits text string is annoying (random colors and too wide)
(That text string only appears once in the level ;))

[Murderbeam]

Now for Something made by me for a change:


http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1892/mbfrozyr8.png

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3084/mbfroz2ef8.png

It's called Frozen, and it shows that i've improved a LOT now compared to a few other things that you won't ever see.
Note that this is only the bottom of the level.

It needs some music. Any suggestions?

[Blackraptor]

Now for Something made by me for a change:


(screenshot)

(screenshot)

It's called Frozen, and it shows that i've improved a LOT now compared to a few other things that you won't ever see.
Note that this is only the bottom of the level.

It needs some music. Any suggestions?


It looks alright, but be careful about using the layer 4 ground for eyecandy. It looks like its your primary form of decoration so far and it will confuse other people when they play your level, especially if its multiplayer. You should probably find some other means of eyecandy to put in your level, or at least don't put the ground tiles meant for eyecandy in layer 5 everywhere so other people can tell whats solid ground in your level.

Use layer 6/7 for something. There's just an empty blue sky in the background. If you can't think of anything to put there, maybe place a few trees. The blue haze looks good, since it looks like its water/ice and makes the bottom more interesting.

Just my opinion, though.

[Murderbeam]

Problem: those layers are being used, one for background water and the other for the "Thorns"(Those blackish background things) but then again i could replace the "Thorns" with more waterfalls but...

And I've seen more confusing eyecandy than what i've done.

[Jimbob]

And I've seen more confusing eyecandy than what i've done.
That's even more confusing than my level! D:
It still looks really good though. ;)

[Jimbob]

There's a small update to Forsaken Fortress:
I have renamed it to "International Space Port" and have taken out the lava and floating platforms & added buildings in the background.
UPDATE:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/InternationalSpacePort1.png?t=1197853960">
It looks nice with AND without the textured background, but some people think it looks FAR better with it off (> fade color).
I also need a better music selection for my level. *goes and asks Eigus*

[FireSworD]

Desolation can only be used by a masterful hand.

[Eigus]

I won't show much progress of my collab because the layout is ready but almost no EC on my layout parts so it looks fugly lols :(

@ Murderbeam: It looks nice, but yeah, kinda confusing. Ask me for tha music, I'll find something freezey. ;D (I suck at tracking now.)

[Raven aka StL]

Murderbeam's level look quite nice, might even look better than my levels with Inferno sets...

But it does have some tilebugs and it also looks kinda confusing.
Good job anyway.

[Aeris]

Hey, guys, this is Aeris - I know I haven't posted in a while and sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but I'm wondering about the status of the beta-testers who agreed to test out my level... I haven't heard from you guys in a while and I was wondering if my level pack is okay to upload. It doesn't fit in with the Christmas-y feel, so how about January? Please please respond, either here or with private messages, whatever. E-mail will work too, I don't really care - I'm just desperate for some feedback!

[Jimbob]

It doesn't really matter <i>when</i> to upload it, just as long as it's worth a download.

[Aeris]

I think it’s worth a download, but I just want it nice and polished for when I release it to the general public :)

[Speeza]

There's a small update to Forsaken Fortress:
I have renamed it to "International Space Port" and have taken out the lava and floating platforms & added buildings in the background.
UPDATE:
[IMAGE]
It looks nice with AND without the textured background, but some people think it looks FAR better with it off (> fade color).
I also need a better music selection for my level. *goes and asks Eigus*

That looks great Jimbob

[Jimbob]

Well the rest of the level looks even better.
EDIT: The level is now ready for download... <b><a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4940">click here.</a></b>

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ATypicalNightinCarrotus1.png?t=1198117195"alt="A Typical Night in Carrotus. Level by Jimbob.">
Music is y_light.xm, just in case you can't read the text in the picture.

[Eigus]

WELCOME TO CARROTUS TILEBUG LAND

(also, read the actual titles of the tunes (-). get something like xmplay.)

Doesn't look that bad but MAKE BG PLZ >_>

kinda lol name also.

[FireSworD]

that looks typical alright

[Raven aka StL]

That looks like typical wannabe good eye candy, but it's alright, I guess.

Again, not all people have traits for making levels.

[Xobim]

And now for some constructive criticism:
Carottus has foreground and background tiles, like the huge carrot. Use a few other layers; It wil make the level more vivid and adds depth.
Adding some "vegetables" to the ground in layer 4 makes the ground look more interesting, though it hinders the player when he/she tries to run around. The vine plants with the pumpkins are very handy if you want to give areas more atmosphere; use those!
Using the moth event is an option too, though I don't know if it'll be noticed.
Try to set the backgound colour to something like dark-blue. White isn't realistic at night, unless someone is throwing nukes around...

I guess this is just a level at it's beginning stages...

[snzspeed]

http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07514/Jazz0008.png

[TripleJ]

Looks nice :D

[Sacrush]

I like the cave.

[Olsen]

@jimbob: Carrotus Mountains is a really bad tileset remake, in my opinion. Add tilebugs and general eyecandy=like any other Carrotus level... :)

@snz: Yay for tileset! Yay for caveusage which looks great... Why didn't I think of that before? :S Anyway, looks good. The soil looks abit plain, though.

[Stijn]

just in case you can't read the text in the picture.
The fact that you expect people to be unable to read the text string might indicate that you need to make it more legible ;)

[Hitch]

And yet, snz pulls it off again.

[n00b]

Gotta admit, while the level design looks a bit meh (but then again, don't they all in this thread?), snz's level has prime eyecandy.

That looks like typical wannabe good eye candy, but it's alright, I guess.

Again, not all people have traits for making levels.

This sentence bugs me, though I'm not exactly sure why.

[Jimbob]

Improved Screenshot of the first area in my level:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ATypicalNightinCarrotus2.png?t=1198194789">
Yes I know the cave is gibbled, I'll get right to that part.
<hr>
EDIT: To try to match up to Snooze's eyecandy without copying it:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ATypicalNightinCarrotus3.png?t=1198199824">
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ATypicalNightinCarrotus4.png?t=1198199930">
(Yes these are two areas that are really close to each other. ;p)
And this level still needs good background eyecandy to add more of a mood to the level. ;D

[Hitch]

Well, your slowly improving Jimbob. Keep it up.

[Jimbob]

lol ty ;) :)

[cooba]

y_light.xm seems to be too big to fully work in online multiplayer

[Jimbob]

<b><a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4946">A Typical Night in Carrotus is ready for download!</a></b>

[TripleJ]

I have a Street Fight pack in progress. It's called Punch and Bleed (Cool name???)
This level is almost ready.

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/36552/2002063312110069843_fs.jpg

[Hitch]

The eyecandy is quite colorful, as same with the background. Looks like there are a lot of platforms tough.

[PhAyzoN]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/643/wipdiam1qr9.png (http://imageshack.us)

Finally Im getting to work with this again :)

[Jimbob]

Just a small level I am making for Christmas:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/AWhiteChristmas1.png?t=1198462609">

[Hitch]

It will be a pack of 6 levels that will all be related to castle tilesets.

Awhile ago when I posted this, saying that Memories 2 will only contain castle tilesets, I lied. I changed my mind, because it's to (-) difficult to find 6 decent tilesets.
As for 03, I had a decision between the tilesets IC - Junglerock1 or Jungle 2.0 Storm, both by P4ul, but I decided to use Jungle 2.0 Storm, as I thought it had more choices as far as eyecandy goes. Anyway, I have not started 03 yet, but will be starting very soon, perhaps the 26th.

[Violet CLM]

[JJ1 Diamondus in JJ2]

Finally Im getting to work with this again :)

wow that has never ever been done before!

[EvilMike]

Just a small level I am making for Christmas:
(image)

it looks like a piece of poo with christmas lights

[Jimbob]

it looks like a piece of poo with christmas lights
But Santa's Snowy Zone is so hard to be creative with D:

[cooba]

That's probably because it's not a very good tileset.

[Speeza]

tileset needs improveing , but doesn't look that bad.

[Jimbob]

It's not my tileset, anyways I think it has potential for another nice Christmasy-themed level:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/PolarIceCap1.png?t=1198553025">
Music is igtown.it.
And yes, the small platform endings (above Jazz) are in layer 5 so you can't get stuck.
<font size="1">(Hopes the name's not already taken again) *crosses fingers*</font>

[FireSworD]

That one looks alright, I think it has some potential.

[Odin]

I have a Street Fight pack in progress. It's called Punch and Bleed (Cool name???)
This level is almost ready.

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/36552/2002063312110069843_fs.jpg

Looks amazing. I can't wait too see it, Street Fight is my favorite custom gametype.

[Caffne]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/2138382214_546e2f82fd_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2111/2137602031_261d4cb24c_o.png

A Battle level I started last night entitled 'Psychoactive'. The level is still far from complete, and the eye candy is currently very plain, but I felt like getting some opinions.

[Odin]

2000 words and some more

I can't really make a decision here. If the entire layout is done, could you show it? What I'm seeing is very little (basic eyecandy and bits of the level layout that don't really show the whole level).

[Caffne]

Sorry, the layout isn't even finished yet. I do, however, have a fair idea of where it's going so the basic layout shouldn't take long to complete.

[Xobim]

[piccies]
A Battle level I started last night entitled 'Psychoactive'. The level is still far from complete, and the eye candy is currently very plain, but I felt like getting some opinions.Try brightening up the background. The foreground gets swallowed by it.

It's not my tileset, anyways I think it has potential for another nice Christmasy-themed level:
<img>
Music is igtown.it.
And yes, the small platform endings (above Jazz) are in layer 5 so you can't get stuck.
The platform endings on the right side are pointing the "wrong way."

_____
/_____\
|_____|
Should be converted to:
_______
/______/|
|______|/

[Jimbob]

The tileset doesn't allow for that. D:

[Xobim]

That tileset SUX then. Get a better one. D=

[Jimbob]

It just doesn't have that much of a good 3D perception.

[Speeza]

That tileset SUX then. Get a better one. D=

I'd say overused.

[EvilMike]

Xobim: both styles work fine. Most official tilesets use the one you seem to point out as being the wrong one. The problem with that christmas tileset isn't the perspective, it's just ugly.

[Jimbob]

How is it ugly? I don't think it is.

[n00b]

I find its use of gradient pillowshading (as per many olden JJ2 tilesets) to be quite offputting though in my opinion slightly charming in its own right.

[Odin]

Personally I felt all of Cracco's tilesets were derivative and mediocre at best, especially when they modified the sprite pallete.

[Raven aka StL]

@ Odin: Some of them are quite decent, however.

That doesn't mean that one should consider what is possibly the worst christmas tile set that's been made so far, decent enough to make a level with.
Especially not if you're going to abuse your rights and upload the level.

[Odin]

@ Odin: Some of them are quite decent, however.

That doesn't mean that one should consider what is possibly the worst christmas tile set that's been made so far, decent enough to make a level with.
Especially not if you're going to abuse your rights and upload the level.

The worst Christmas tile set is Holiday Hare '98. I speak with experience.

[Violet CLM]

Personally I felt all of Cracco's tilesets were derivative and mediocre at best, especially when they modified the sprite pallete.
I will confess to having no idea why those modifications occurred. CB'd just give me an image, ask for it to be made JJ2 compatible, and then provide a list of sprite colors he'd want swapped or otherwise changed. It was always interesting, anyway, if not necessarily great art.

[Xobim]

Xobim: both styles work fine. Most official tilesets use the one you seem to point out as being the wrong one.
Really? That's quite surprising to me. Most of <s>Alexander Brandon</s> Nick Stadler's! tilesets in JJ2 seem to use the second perspective...

[Raven aka StL]

Both can be found in masses and they both work just fine.
Although I enjoy tile sets that don't have a horizontal 3D-look at all, the most.

[cooba]

Alexander BrandonsNick Stadler's.

[Xobim]

Gah, I'm stupid. Fixed...

[Speeza]

Jimbob polar icecap looks great.

[Violet CLM]

<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/Sideproject3.png">

[Raven aka StL]

That looks real nice, Violet.

[Sacrush]

Nice Violet, the only thing I can complain about is that the leaves has tilebugs. I know most people think it's the tileset's fault but I know how to prevent it. Maybe flipping some tiles would fix it... :-)

[Violet CLM]

If you mean stuff like the messed-up lower leaf slopes on the floating bit, yeah, I notice instances of that and fix them sporadically. If you know a way to make working inside corners, though, that would be great, though even the original levels couldn't find a way to make those look right...

[FireSworD]

Nice idea for an obstacle but what the heck is that border?

[Raven aka StL]

The border doesn't ruin anything, at least.
I think it's a good idea.

[Xobim]

<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/Sideproject3.png">
Whoa, that's very impressive...

The level I'm working on is nothing compared to that...
<img src=http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5668/groentjeqo0.png>

[Ragnarok!]

Violet's level looks amazing, and Xobim's is good too, just needs a bit of work. The background firstly, it catches my eye, but it kinda looks wrong, generally darker backgrounds work better with this set. Also, this is a useful comparison for you, as you can refer to Violet's for ideas to see why his might look better. I'm not saying yours is bad, I'm just saying, with a bit of work, it can look better than Violet's. I'm not saying copy Violet's work either, I'm just saying try to see what his has that yours lacks.

One reason as to why his might look better, is that the leaves are inappropriately placed on yours, where as they are placed very cleverly on violet's (even though I spot tilebugs in his and not yours). Violet's level also has pickups and monsters, they can always make the level look more lively. I think what really goes wrong there, is the background, it should be dark in my opinion, but then again, others may like it.

Take no notice of what I'm saying if it bothers you, but I guess criticism usually helps. (Other than what I said, everything looks fairly in order, (Very good)). Violet's also using the IC version of the set, which has more EC to offer, so try using that instead of the Epic one.

wow that has never ever been done before!

Also, in referance to this, long time ago, I made a Scraparap and Megairbase thing (JJ1 levels in JCS for JJ2). I wonder if I still have them. -rumages through old stuff-

[Violet CLM]

Violet's also using the IC version of the set, which has more EC to offer, so try using that instead of the Epic one.
I am NOT. :( The IC version doesn't even offer that palette as one of its versions.

Also, in referance to this, long time ago, I made a Scraparap and Megairbase thing (JJ1 levels in JCS for JJ2). I wonder if I still have them. -rumages through old stuff-
That would be nice... the non-Turtle Terror planets don't get nearly enough conversion love.


Anyway, a lot of the comparison between the two screenshots is a bit off because one is inside a cave and the other is outside... here's a shot of something closer, though unfortunately it's the daytime palette.
<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/Sideproject4.png">
Moving beyond the fact that my leaves still have tile bugs... notice that they resist the urge to be squared off, and go for more curvy, random shapes. Also there's a lot of variation in the exact leaf tile, though you're good at that in all but the smallest cluster. Also I throw as many tiles as I can pretty much all over the screen in hopes that they'll look good. Jungle makes this easy as the tileset is naturally beautiful - the hanging leafy things that can have DANGER signs on them are good candidates for making anything look more interesting. Then there are also background layers, trees and bushes and things - if possible, use them.
As for the background, it's not so much that it's dark, I think, as blue just doesn't make SENSE there. The skies are red in Jungle Night. Why would they fade to blue? It's a very pretty blue, but it doesn't work in that context.
I'm liking the bottom right corner of your shot. It looks complex, which is good. I'm a little concerned because I know the text sign masking is screwed up, but hopefully you found some way around that.

[Ragnarok!]

Oh wow, woops. ;P Sorry, I just assumed because I saw a tile that I recognised from the IC set. My silly assumptions. Anyway, you're using a darker background are you not? ;P

Take no notice to what I said, his advice is better. ;D.

[Xobim]

Anyway, a lot of the comparison between the two screenshots is a bit off because one is inside a cave and the other is outside... here's a shot of something closer, though unfortunately it's the daytime palette.
<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/Sideproject4.png">
Moving beyond the fact that my leaves still have tile bugs... notice that they resist the urge to be squared off, and go for more curvy, random shapes. Also there's a lot of variation in the exact leaf tile, though you're good at that in all but the smallest cluster. Also I throw as many tiles as I can pretty much all over the screen in hopes that they'll look good. Jungle makes this easy as the tileset is naturally beautiful - the hanging leafy things that can have DANGER signs on them are good candidates for making anything look more interesting. Then there are also background layers, trees and bushes and things - if possible, use them.
As for the background, it's not so much that it's dark, I think, as blue just doesn't make SENSE there. The skies are red in Jungle Night. Why would they fade to blue? It's a very pretty blue, but it doesn't work in that context.
I'm liking the bottom right corner of your shot. It looks complex, which is good. I'm a little concerned because I know the text sign masking is screwed up, but hopefully you found some way around that.When I took the screenshot I noticed the tilebugs too. The background was the first thing I made with this tileset. I had less experience back then. :P
I am using the background trees and bushes, but they only appear when the player is getting near the bottom of the level. I can fix that if it'll make the map look better. The blue background color is somewhat of a problem since the scene is set during mid-day and the sky is red. Maybe I can switch to the daytime palette.
Thanks for your advice, I can use it.

[Sacrush]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6255/sideproject4sacshowpu7.png

I made a red circle around the parts that I know how to fix. Also, I really like it, seems like fun with good atmosphere.

[Nonomu198]

Tilebug is a myth. Leave the preety level alone.

[Ragnarok!]

You missed a few!

[Sacrush]

and anything similar to that. :rolleyes:

[Xobim]

I wonder why the tileset has leaves flipped the other way...

[Violet CLM]

It's hard to say... we really have no clues to suggest when the tile-flipping functionality was added to JJ2. It was in 1.00g and even diamsecr, so it's got to be pretty old, but it's impossible to say if it postdates the Jungle tileset. Simple answer, though, one way or another, Nick wanted to add more potential variety to leaf appearances and didn't consider the fact that it would mess up the tiling.

[Unhit]

I'm currently working on a small, open, fast-paced ctf lvl (similar to knightmare castle, but slightly bigger and with more small corridors as well as a different base positioning, so it will be suited for 3v3+ as well). Screenshots etc will follow tomorrow when i'll finish the alpha version :D

[Ragnarok!]

I'm working on a 25-level race pack. I won't show any screenshots. Just for fun.

[SPAZ18]

I'm working on a 25-level race pack. I won't show any screenshots. Just for fun.

25 LEVELS?! :eek: Wow, that's probably gonna take some time to make!

[Ragnarok!]

Olol, some are already made, races are very easy to make, provided you have the right ideas. All you need to have in mind is a set course, maybe a circuit or a straigh line, maybe even a "There and Back" thing like in Boomerang by Cooba, and the course mustn't allow some form of being lame. Add some interesting obstacles, and maybe shortcuts to spice it up for those more experienced. And also, race is the best gametype ever. ;D

[Sacrush]

I find race levels to be more of a challenge to make then almost any game type. I know it's a lot more work then CTF and battle levels.

[Raven aka StL]

That depends on level size and quality, but in general it might even be so.

[Sacrush]

Race levels should be bigger, or else you are done before you started.

[Unhit]

It's done :D
Nightfall in Noobland (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4969)
enjoy ;P

[Jimbob]

Finally finished enough for me to get a screen-shot:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/DiamondusWonderland1.png?t=1199480028">

[Raven aka StL]

Jimbob, don't force levels.

[Jimbob]

What? I don't get what you mean.

[Eigus]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7163/randomcollabcrapln2.png

WeLL RaNDoM SCReeNSHoT TiMe!

didnt show the lava in the bg though :|

[P¼ul]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7163/randomcollabcrapln2.png

<img src="http://chaos.foxmage.com/pfourul/lvl.jpg">

this lvl and that are same, seriously

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/DiamondusWonderland2.png?t=1199571826">

[TripleJ]

Hmm yeah it looks ok Jimbob

[Unhit]

i like the waterfall that goes from fore- to background :D

[Hitch]

...Although sometimes if you look at it closely, it looks like a bug :P

[Violet CLM]

And if you look at it other times, you notice it's two different layers that presumably move at different x speeds (certainly different y speeds)and only happened to line up that way.

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/DiamondusWonderland3.png?t=1199665772">
As you can see, the biggest gimmick in my level is the in-game changeable water level. However, some people hate water in levels, so I did two things:
1) I have added an option to turn off the water (however this only works locally)
2) I have made a light version of the level (so it doesn't have any water).
And yes I know flamethrowers don't work under water FYI. ;P
<b>*EDIT: I have also made another light version without the leaves in the foreground.</b>

[Stijn]

LEAVES IN FOREGROUND = WTF<!--wtf-->

[n00b]

Woah we can say WTF now? never realized that.
Level design looks nifty though extremely track-like

[Violet CLM]

...well, of course they're in the foreground. Look how big they are!

[EvilMike]

Didn't seem like a bad level when I played it, but take away some of the waterfalls in the foreground. Too much stuff in the foreground is bad in multiplayer levels, unless you intentionally want to obstruct the view for gameplay reasons.

[Jimbob]

I'm just trying to add some interesting eyecandy - I'm not meaning for the players to hate it D:

[Stijn]

...well, of course they're in the foreground. Look how big they are!
I mainly went "WTF" as I recommended Jimbob several times to cut down or take out those leaves because excessive foreground stuff is annoying yet he keeps cluttering the foreground more and more.

[Raven aka StL]

Typical eyecandy spam. :D
Remember that a theme for the level, as well as good gameplay come before eye-candy. If all you go for is eye-candy, not much good can come out of it.

EDIT: On a side note, I'm adding finishing touches to North Star, and it will be finished tonight or tuesday. Nevertheless, I'll be hosting it, finished, on wednesday.

[Eigus]

yay North Star ;D

[Stijn]

http://www.jpegr.com/uploads/2/lolshot.png

[TripleJ]

Another tileset coming :D

[Jimbob]

I mainly went "WTF" as I recommended Jimbob several times to cut down or take out those leaves because excessive foreground stuff is annoying yet he keeps cluttering the foreground more and more.

<b>*EDIT: I have also made another light version without the leaves in the foreground.</b>
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[cooba]

Don't make a light version, but remove the leaves from the final.

[Jimbob]

Well I like the leaves but some people hate them (hint hint.) So I will barely include any leaves (if any at all) in the final.
(and delete the "light" version without the leaves, since this is useless.)
EDIT: Is this better? ;P
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/DiamondusWonderland4.png?t=1199754736">
There is still a few leaves but NOT NEARLY as much as before. ;d

[Stijn]

;d <!-- hotel klan kurwa -->

[Krinya]

I will release the JJ2 The Movie 2 later than Jan. 27. I postpone (good word here?) the pack to Feb. 20. Because I levelling up in an another game:rolleyes: (Sorry! :D)

And credits will be used again at the end of the pack :P
+another technicues (good spelling?) used! ;)
+Spaz used in the story. You can select him, but you need to select the "Spaz warp" at the start. Using Jazz, you need to use the "Jazz warp"! XD Enough of "warping"! XD
+Trigger animations used well.

I don't tell now more, back to work! :)

[Stijn]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5931/realpsychfy6.png

[Raven aka StL]

Looks like treasure 2 or sth.
And the background is awesome.

[Hitch]

Haha, I agree with Emperor, the background is just awesome.

[n00b]

Pure awesomeness in JJ2 form
Yes. YES.


+another technicues (good spelling?) used! ;)


Since you asked, yes it was good (although not perfect) spelling. You were a letter off however, the actual spelling is "techniques". You were close enough anyways

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/Nightpark1.png?t=1200454984">
Actually I decided to change the name to "A Night in the Park" shortly after uploading the screen shot.

[Raven aka StL]

I hope that ain't the final background.
The spring system looks boring.

Otherwise not bad, but you've got a lot to learn.

[Stijn]

Looks good, Jimbob. Is that Single Player?

It looks a little empty though, consider adding some more eyecandy or more background.

[Grytolle]

That background is fine.

[Vegito]

The background is fine for a park :P
It's not a jungle :(

[Stijn]

Parks generally are in cities... Twilight Park has a nice cityscape for layer 7, and it's not even used here.

[n00b]

The spring system looks boring.

... Seriously? Thats just beyond nick-pickyism
Tho I bet if this was one of Snooze's levels you'd say "Best looking spring system EVAR"

Also, Parks are just as generally in suburban areas with no cityscape in sight.

[Hitch]

Hmph, Jimbob, it looks okay as of now. I recommend looking at some past levels using that tileset, to get some ideas and maybe mix those and yours together to make it better. Good luck.

[Raven aka StL]

... Seriously? Thats just beyond nick-pickyism
Tho I bet if this was one of Snooze's levels you'd say "Best looking spring system EVAR"

Some people seem to enjoy replying to my posts almost always even if they lack anything of point to say.

[n00b]

Funny, I could say the exact same to your reply. My point is that you just seem to be nitpicking at extremely worthless details. "Springs look boring"? Again, seriously? On both an eyecandy and gameplay front, this seems like a very, very, extremely minor issue and more that you're just looking for excuses to speak ill of Jimbob's levels than anything else.

[Violet CLM]

We don't need this fight. Back on topic plz.
I'm liking the look of the Kingston Warfare. Does it only appear when you are drunk? I'm not sure how you could get that to work, but it would be pretty awesome.

[Murderbeam]

More Stuff from me, This time it's a single player level. I might put it in a level pack.

It's name is "Botany Research 409-A1".

.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1269/botresaqp7.png
^This part of the level is in one of the more Greenhouse-like areas.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5496/botresbno2.png
^This is one of the Storage areas, where they store junk.

And Frozen isn't out yet 'cuz it's for a levelpack :P

...And to the topic of Kingston warfare, i think the background is fake.

[Stijn]

Oh no, it's definetely real.

Nice level, seems fun to play. I've always liked that (JJ1) tileset, though I can't remember its name at the moment.

Violet: No, the background is like that all the time, but it looks completely awesome in 8bit with the dizziness effect :D

[Jimbob]

Looks good, Jimbob. Is that Single Player?
Actually I don't do single player levels. I like doing MP levels.

[Raven aka StL]

@ Noob: I just pointed that out, even if it is a small detail...

@ Murderbeam: That looks solid, good job.

[DoubleGJ]

I've always liked that (JJ1) tileset, though I can't remember its name at the moment.
Fanolint

[Eigus]

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9341/towerisleut8.png

[Xobim]

The placement of the trees in the blue rock seems wrong. If there are trees, why isn't there any grass then?
Nice to see that you're using two front layers for eyecandy.

[cooba]

<img src="http://chaos.foxmage.com/cooba/scorch.png" />

[Violet CLM]

Arkansas Garden Brawl?

[Ragnarok!]

Firstly, there's a fanolint conversion?!?!
Secondly, Cooba you own. Except you smell ;[
Thirdly, Eigus, looks great.
Finally, Jimbob's level isn't bad, what's so wrong with the springs? O.o
This should be "finally" but uhh, me wants Fanolint. ;o

[Violet CLM]

There is, though the author deleted it from J2O after it was blasted for having bad colors, no background to speak of, and a problematic mask. Or I guess there's Ice Wolf's version too, but, uhh, yeah.

[Hitch]

I've started Memories again. Expect more in the future from this.

[Jimbob]

Slightly improved screen shot of my level:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/ANightinthePark1.png?t=1200628105">
Isn't it weird that the sucker tube looks a little bit like a 3?
P.S.: Too bad the stars don't show on these... :<hai>(
P.S.2: Also, the park in the bg is still there. It's just a bit too hard to see.

[Raven aka StL]

The sucker tube looks weird, gj.
Also, good job putting more stuff into the background.
The streetlight looks weird too.

The picture, gives me an odd feeling that we're looking at a hill that descends towards the horizon because the buildings are so low...

But this ain't bad, keep on progressing.

[cooba]

lol

<img src="http://chaos.foxmage.com/cooba/isodyssey01.png" />

<img src="http://chaos.foxmage.com/cooba/isodyssey02.png" />

[Superjazz]

I actually like the dimension-joke there. :D

[Xobim]

Haha, nice. :P

[Ragnarok!]

Owns. Also, Jimbob, that looks great.

[Hitch]

Reminds me of pie. As it's 3-d as well >O!

[Raven aka StL]

Awesome idea, Coober :]

[Jimbob]

The picture, gives me an odd feeling that we're looking at a hill that descends towards the horizon because the buildings are so low...
The buildings barely move at all (lol) <font size="1">Hey, it rhymes ;p</font>

But this ain't bad, keep on progressing.
Thank you!
Also, I have stopped working on Diamondus Wonderland due to laziness. *sigh*

[Jimbob]

Well, about my level...
I've decided to trash it because the layout wasn't going too well and it was too small and a little bit too platform-y. I have started a new level using the same tileset and going by the same name. However, instead of being battle mode, it's going to be CTF, which is my favorite game mode.
(screenshots will be here soon :D)

[Raven aka StL]

Approximately CTF levels get more attention than battle levels, so good idea. CTF is also the better gametype quite clearly.

[Stijn]

Approximately CTF levels get more attention than battle levels, so good idea. CTF is also the better gametype quite clearly.

o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/
–noun<ol><li>a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.</li></ol>
I do agree though that CTF levels seem to get more attention. A really good battle level can be just as popular/famous though, however it seems that for a battle level to be played often it needs to be relatively better than a CTF level.

[Ragnarok!]

-prefers battle to ctf-.

[DarkSonic]

I prefer CTF over Battle, but Battle levels are often played as Team Battle now. And Team Battle can be fun with many people. Battle levels can be fun to make, because you don't have to make it balanced.

[Nonomu198]

Lol you guys, we all know flag run pwnez it all.

[Hitch]

Flag run <33

[Raven aka StL]

Battle levels are often easier to make, for instance because (as DS said) they don't need to be that balanced. This gives the levelmaker a lot more freedom choosing the layout and making the placement.
And Stijn, hold a CTF vs. Battle poll to see what I mean. :|

[Nonomu198]

I thoght balance levels are easier to make, cuz you can just do the same layout with diffrent PUs on the other side and that will be ok.

[Birdie]

I thoght balance levels are easier to make, cuz you can just do the same layout with diffrent PUs on the other side and that will be ok.

Do you make levels? :l
Also, I do find battle levels harder to make, and I believe they have to be higher quality to be considered the same quality as another ctf level.

[TripleJ]

Also, I do find battle levels harder to make, and I believe they have to be higher quality to be considered the same quality as another ctf level.

Agree

[Stijn]

And Stijn, hold a CTF vs. Battle poll to see what I mean. :|
Interestingly, a poll gauges opinions, not facts.

[FawFul]

i think it's both hard, battle levels get underrated imo

[Nonomu198]

Do you make levels? :l
Also, I do find battle levels harder to make, and I believe they have to be higher quality to be considered the same quality as another ctf level.

Wait, so you hint that I'm wrong, then you agree with me? That's just vicious.

[Birdie]

Wait, so you hint that I'm wrong, then you agree with me? That's just vicious.

I wasn't hinting that you're wrong, but I was questioning you, since you say they're harder to make, yet I'm not sure weather you even make levels.

[Nonomu198]

I have made a hotel back in the begining of 2007 (well these are easy to make [wait I think you helped me]), I do have an old crappy unfinished ctf level, a begining of another one, and some battle levels that are (-). I wanna make some new levels but I don't have the time.

And It's kinda common sense to think that making half a level then make the same thing on the other side is easier then making the whole level.

[Raven aka StL]

Interestingly, a poll gauges opinions, not facts.
Nothing can be deemed a fact about this. It is a question of opinion, after all.
That's the entire point.

@ Iconguy: Doing half a level and flipping it to do the other side is just... wrong.
Avoid doing that, at least.

[Nonomu198]

Nothing can be deemed a fact about this. It is a question of opinion, after all.
That's the entire point.

@ Iconguy: Doing half a level and flipping it to do the other side is just... wrong.
Avoid doing that, at least.

QQ seems to be quite popular

[Stijn]

Nothing can be deemed a fact about this. It is a question of opinion, after all.
That's the entire point.
Sure, but saying "CTF is also the better gametype quite clearly." makes it sound like you're presenting it as a fact, which it indeed is not :)

[Raven aka StL]

No, I was referring to it being (much) more popular, of course.

Edit: sorry, I tend to mix finnish 'ways of saying things' into english, will try to change that.

[Birdie]

And It's kinda common sense to think that making half a level then make the same thing on the other side is easier then making the whole level.

I hope you know that there are unsymetrical ctf levels, also, many symetrical ctf levels don't use symetrical eyecandy. Also, about your QQ argument, BBlair, and semi (probably the most played ctf levels, they're also unsymetrical) seem quite popular (although I hate them).

[Nonomu198]

I hope you know that there are unsymetrical ctf levels, also, many symetrical ctf levels don't use symetrical eyecandy. Also, about your QQ argument, BBlair, and semi (probably the most played ctf levels, they're also unsymetrical) seem quite popular (although I hate them).

Even unsymmetrical ctf levels need balance, it's like a guideline that makes placement easier.

[Unhit]

well there's a difference between mask-symmetry and placement-symmetry. E.g. semi and bblair have neither. Many levels have placement, but no mask symmetry, and then theres levels that have both (like KMC e.g.). Right now, i can't think of a case with placement-, but no mask-symmetry.

[Nonomu198]

well there's a difference between mask-symmetry and placement-symmetry. E.g. semi and bblair have neither. Many levels have placement, but no mask symmetry, and then theres levels that have both (like KMC e.g.). Right now, i can't think of a case with placement-, but no mask-symmetry.

I thuoght YOU made Nightfall in Noobland, lol.

[Unhit]

I thuoght YOU made Nightfall in Noobland, lol.


i did make it, yeah. why?

oh right

rofl XD
stupid me lalala

[Jimbob]

@ Iconguy: Doing half a level and flipping it to do the other side is just... wrong.
Avoid doing that, at least.
That's what's called "symmetry" ;)

[cooba]

No, that's being lazy and/or inept at making symmetry.

[FreeFull]

He propably meant the easy way of flipping, the f key.

[Hitch]

Bleh, flipping the tiles can be useful at points in time, if you want to make some cool eyecandy effects, or whatever. But beware, it can get dangerous, if you know what I mean.

[n00b]

When did this thread shift to being all about making a hypothetical level?

[Ragnarok!]

<a target='_blank' href='http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=previewrace01cc2.png'><img src='http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3064/previewrace01cc2.th.png' border='0'/></a>

I think it should work... Well this is part of my new race level. It has many shortcuts and stuff, I just thought I'd add a part of the level that looks hot. Also, The level mainly uses those blue cargo tiles in the level.

On a side note, no you do not play as the frog. I just thought it'd look cool.

[Grytolle]

frog race is a fun idea though

[Unhit]

y wtf, i thought i had posted that. well idd it does

[Chiyu]

Going to upload my (finally) finished WoC pack soon ^^.

[Raven aka StL]

... Which is just wonderful news.
I'll make sure to review it as thoroughly as possible.

[FawFul]

ok, let's get back into this treat as it used to be =d
this is an level i'm working on
the tileset is diamondus with diamondus B garden pallette

<a target='_blank' href='http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dtf1rz9.png'><img src='http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3631/dtf1rz9.th.png' border='0'/></a>

i hope u like it =)

** btw, crimiclown, that picture looks like u got some kinda poop on your finger

[DarkSonic]

Time for 2 screenshots of the latest level from my pack:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3527/xlmie1yi2.th.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmie1yi2.png)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1508/xlmie2ec9.th.png (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmie2ec9.png)

[TripleJ]

Looks nice FawFul and DS

[Birdie]

(lost ctf game)

it seems familiar :l

[FawFul]

? srry to say but err.. bird i really don't understand what u just sayed..
lost ctf game? i never said anything in my post about those words i even dunno what you mean

[cooba]

Birdie meant to say that your screenshot reminds you of <a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=3965">this</a>.

[Raven aka StL]

Take cover! The tree spam is coming.

And DS, that looks nice, it looked almost as nice when I last saw it.

[Violet CLM]

DS, you need a lot more variety in the plain "dirt" walls. There are a lot of areas where you're obviously using the same tile over and over, and there are two different variations of that, even besides anything else you could shove onto walls, and the edges look pretty sterile too. Other than that, pretty interesting. :)

[Raven aka StL]

DS can't let go of his style. ;)

[FawFul]

Take cover! The tree spam is coming.

i have to take this as a compliment or not :(?

*btw i already put away almost all tree's in the foreground so it don't gets annoying when ur playing

[Eigus]

Played both levels online and they're nice. (ofc they were unfinished.)

Coming soon: screens of some other battle level, a "sequel" to an old, unfinished, (-)y ctf.

[Grytolle]

i have to take this as a compliment or not :(?not

[Bboy Type7]

I'm going to make a level of my own using my own tileset. I'm making a techno tileset.

[cooba]

I told you guys, this is the year of tilesets.

[Raven aka StL]

I'll just go ahead and expect much, as usual ;)

[Eigus]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/741/magmis2cq1.png

[Raven aka StL]

That looks kinda plain, it's not an easy set to use well.

[FireSworD]

Might as well B stuff from helldome and arrange the stuff differently.

You must strive for originality.

[Grytolle]

You must strive to give the player an enjoyable, fun to play, experience!

[Bboy Type7]

Yeah, I've never gotten used to building levels. Just messing around with pixels was the key. I'll try building a level after the tileset.

[snzspeed]

You must strive to give the player an enjoyable, fun to play, experience!

master of the obvious

[Grytolle]

it didn't seem to be apparent to FS

[Bboy Type7]

My next idea is to make a house tileset for a house level. I played some game where some people from a clan made a house map of their clan. I noticed J2O had a database of hotel levels. This gave me a idea to make my own.

[FireSworD]

it didn't seem to be apparent to FS

u teech me more about lvl design plz? :)))

[Grytolle]

kk :)))))))))))))))))))
lessons good and bad? here floows:

good lvls: semi
bad levels: diveid && conkuwer

good colors for good tiles: pink
bad colors for bad tiles: pink (bcuz thats onl for good tiles)

best jcs event: 99 (use it!!?)

gl makin levels, affro fs

[Grytolle]

when ur level is done (n is gudd) u can goning it on j2o www.jazz2onilne.com/downlaods (site is down right now it seems :(:(:()

originality is unimportant, compared to the level being worth the play, and definitely not anything you have to strive for consciously bcuz then this can happen
http://www.merello.com/images2/european_expressionism_expressionists.-merello._bullfighter_in_the_sunset(92x60).jpg
and u wouldnt want that on ur conscience

[Sacrush]

You should wright an article Grytolle! That would help some crappy level creators like FireSworD, BlurredD, Snooze, Cooba, Birdie, Violet and Evilmike to maybe create something decent.

[SPAZ18]

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6864/secretev4.png

Level name is being kept secret for now. And no, I'm not copying Helldome.
Level type is CTF.

[snzspeed]

when ur level is done (n is gudd) u can goning it on j2o www.jazz2onilne.com/downlaods (site is down right now it seems :(:(:()

originality is unimportant, compared to the level being worth the play, and definitely not anything you have to strive for consciously bcuz then this can happen
http://www.merello.com/images2/european_expressionism_expressionists.-merello._bullfighter_in_the_sunset(92x60).jpg
and u wouldnt want that on ur conscience

HAHAHAahaahdsfhdsfg :lol::lol::lol:

[Speeza]

Your level looks good spaz18 , I don't think many levels use that tileset.

[FireSworD]

http://www.jpegr.com/uploads/2/lolshot.png

I just now noticed this. It heavily reminds me of jill of the jungle, even though brick tiles like that are so common.

Looks interesting :)

[Raven aka StL]

Yes, do show a bigger pic where we can see ground and such, please.

[Stijn]

There is one a few pages earlier in the thread. Currently I'm sort of doubting on whether to keep the ground as it is so any pictures of the current state aren't really representative.

It's more of a "fire temple" themed set than anything else, though even that is not finalized yet.

[Raven aka StL]

I'll expect a lot if it's gonna be titled (or have any reference to) "Fire Temple".

[Grytolle]

You should wright an article Grytolle! That would help some crappy level creators like FireSworD, BlurredD, Snooze, Cooba, Birdie, Violet and Evilmike to maybe create something decent.it's on the todo-list, after the article where i trash evilmike's epicly bad single player packs!

[Raven aka StL]

Really, Snz, after all these years you should know better than to talk about level making with Grytolle. All he cares about is good (multiplayer) gameplay.

[Unhit]

Really, Snz, after all these years you should know better than to talk about level making with Grytolle. All he cares about is good (multiplayer) gameplay.

b2ctf rocks!!!!

[Grytolle]

I can't deny that what St. Louis says is 100% true (historical occasion, thus!).

[Ragnarok!]

<a target='_blank' href='http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=previewrace02fu5.png'><img src='http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4571/previewrace02fu5.th.png' border='0'/></a>

Well uhh, yeah, another race, the spring is probably a hint as to what the level will be like further up, and also, I just felt like trying something I haven't seen yet. Hi.

P.S, I hid some of the EC effects that are in the real level, just look forward to them I guess.

[DoubleGJ]

currently the EC reminds me of Metroid series, and that's certainly something cool

[Raven aka StL]

Nice, but also annoying.
Springs (that are necessary to pass some part...) in a race are kinda 'meh'.
As when you're shot, kicked, stomped (or hit by an uppercut...) u can't use them for a while and I'm positive that no one wants that.

... This, however, is just my own opinion on this, good job otherwise.

[Grytolle]

Nice, but also annoying.
Springs (that are necessary to pass some part...) in a race are kinda 'meh'.
As when you're shot, kicked, stomped (or hit by an uppercut...) u can't use them for a while and I'm positive that no one wants that.

... This, however, is just my own opinion on this, good job otherwise.that's what makes race games somewhat interesting, though

[Ragnarok!]

I usually play race with /stop on nowadays for levels that emphasize that ability.

[Nonomu198]

Will this level include a frog or two?

[Raven aka StL]

I usually play race with /stop on nowadays for levels that emphasize that ability.

Well yeah, that works.
Then again, it might make other things worse in a number of ways...
Anyway, just finish that race and let me beta test of sth, it wouldn't be the first time my theory is wrong.

[FireSworD]

Well uhh, yeah, another race, the spring is probably a hint as to what the level will be like further up, and also, I just felt like trying something I haven't seen yet. Hi.

I'm going with the obvious: shortcut?

[Ragnarok!]

Will this level include a frog or two?

I've contemplated it for several other races, for frogs and birds, this level probably won't include that feature, here's a question, does anyone actually think I should try a bird/frog race?

I'm going with the obvious: shortcut?

Nope. ;o Try again later. My other race is the one packed with shortcuts, then again, no reason not to put loads of shortcuts here either.

[Grytolle]

I've contemplated it for several other races, for frogs and birds, this level probably won't include that feature, here's a question, does anyone actually think I should try a bird/frog race?*raises hand*

[FreeFull]

*raises three hands*

[Eigus]

*raises a frog flag*

[Hitch]

Looks insteresting. And, I call 2000 post!

[Nonomu198]

*raises paws*

[Ragnarok!]

So it's settled, I'll make a frog race, and I already have some ideas as to how I can make it slightly interesting just to uhh, replace shooting?

[Grytolle]

frog lickwar

[Ragnarok!]

Yeah licking will have something to do with it. ;)

P.S: I won't start that till I finish this race. The WSF one.

[Jimbob]

About my Emerald Forest map (I made it a looooonnnnng time ago), well I know it's finished, but I'm going to restart making it. It is way too small so I'm going to expand its size. I am going to keep its name, but change it [the tileset] to night and it's going to use <i>aws_cave.xm</i> for music.
<hr>
Edit: Screenshot:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/EmeraldForestRe-do1.png?t=1202607892">
As you can see, I think I got the mood of the level down pretty well with this piece of music.