tell some of the levels what u are buiding and goning on j2o

[Hitch]

it's going to use <i>aws_cave.xm</i> for music.


Wonder if you got that idea from my level, 04 of Memories 2 uses that exact music.

[Jimbob]

Remember how I said that it got me inspired? ;p

[Hitch]

Yes, but I didn't think you would be using it that fast. It's a good piece of music though ;P

[Ragnarok!]

Looks good, try to avoid making your levels so platformy and try to make it more solid (fat masks). Otherwise, nice EC. Secondly, it's not that wrong to use a same music file is it? :( Because then, I'm just suckish. ;[

[Jimbob]

But that's just the end of a path. It's kinda hard not to make that area look platformy.
Secondly, it's not that wrong to use a same music file is it? :( Because then, I'm just suckish. ;[ No, there's nothing wrong with using the same music file. ;p

[n00b]

try to avoid making your levels so platformy

Yeah man, its not like this game is a platformer or anything.
Actually if this is the general design philosophy I may have finally realized why I don't like multiplayer all that much.

[Odin]

Yeah man, its not like this game is a platformer or anything.
Actually if this is the general design philosophy I may have finally realized why I don't like multiplayer all that much.

It's the design philosophy of people that don't realize that not having platforms invariably leads to levels either taking place in caves or buildings, or levels with gigantic open areas which overpowers doublejump/coptering.

[Ragnarok!]

Yeah man, its not like this game is a platformer or anything.
Actually if this is the general design philosophy I may have finally realized why I don't like multiplayer all that much.

Uhh whatever dude.

[Jimbob]

Seriously, though, w/e at n00b.
Anyways, well, the level is going really nicely and there's one thing to say about it: it's going to be symmetrical. Also, I haven't placed any events yet (other than springs and some MP starts), of course.

[n00b]

Alright, I'm still not getting this: What is so wrong with platformy design?

[Jimbob]

It makes it either too easy or too hard to get around the level. Also, the people generally don't like platformy level layouts because they can get too random.
Anyways: after adding some cool eyecandy:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/EmeraldForestRe-do2.png?t=1202693213">
Also, this time I won't show you 34976 pictures that spoil it for you.

[Speeza]

That level looks awsome.
The tileset is awsome too. Is it hard to use ?

[Jimbob]

Um... sort of.

[FireSworD]

Alright, I'm still not getting this: What is so wrong with platformy design?

When I refer to "platformy" design, I'm saying the platform placements had little or no intended purpose to enhance the gameplay and were just added randomly. Also, levels that aren't so platformy are harder to learn and are usually more strategical, as is evident from battle1. In level design, it's not so much about making perfect levels but what can be done to enhance the level further and further, so even if platformy levels are good, levels that are not so platformy can be BETTER.

[EvilMike]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/741/magmis2cq1.png

I think I've seen this background somewhere before...

[Raven aka StL]

Especially people with no talent for levelmaking should plan their levels and spend time on them.

[n00b]

When I refer to "platformy" design, I'm saying the platform placements had little or no intended purpose to enhance the gameplay and were just added randomly. Also, levels that aren't so platformy are harder to learn and are usually more strategical, as is evident from battle1. In level design, it's not so much about making perfect levels but what can be done to enhance the level further and further, so even if platformy levels are good, levels that are not so platformy can be BETTER.

I was referring to Rag's post which was in reference to Jimbob's image which didnt seem random at all, but ok. The game itself is based around two characters comprised mostly of moves that are meant to move about platforms, by axing those it seems to be crippling the gameplay mechanincs instead of embracing them. Its like saying "All right, we have a Sonic game but we're going to make the level design completely negate his speed and spindash". I'm not saying that levels should be made of nothing but floating platforms as that'd be rather bland, but if the image Jimbob posted is what constitutes as "too platformy" and thus constitutes what should be "avoided" then I don't think the current level design philosophy is headed 100% in the right direction (not saying its extremely off the mark, only just a tad bit so).

Granted, this is speaking as someone who is a full on platformer fan who also always found SBv2 to be an extremely dull level to play in and always found many common design ideas to be rather odd whereas the rest of the fanbase may be using influences from different genres and their design choices feel right to them and others since thats what they're a fan of. So theres really no right or wrong to this situation (at least the way I perceive it, judging from a response or two some people are completely misinterpreting what I'm asking). Also Rag, could you repost your answer if it wasn't a complete retread of Firesword's response? I'm rather interested in reading the various opinions on design here.

[Ragnarok!]

Very well, there's nothing wrong with platformy designs, and I did not mean that his level was platformy, I just meant to try to avoid making platforms everywhere. Well, as having many platforms usually leads to open layouts or just very random layouts. But however, (btw I'm not implying that the level had pointless platforms) you should never make a platform that serves no purpose as it's just pointless. Imagine a CTF level (I'm not sure exactly what you like to see) with a bunch of platforms. I understand this is a platform game and I see where you are coming from, but you should always design a level in the best interest of what the level's purpose is, in most cases gameplay. Anyway, as I was saying, a CTF level with a bunch of platforms. The platforms should all link somehow and lead to different places rather than leading to dead ends or serving no purpose whatsoever. (again not implying your level)

I admit that I design many platforms in my levels but at the same time I make sure I dont do it pointlessly or too much. If I design a platform, it usually provides some form of strategic advantage over something else such as height to allow bouncers to bombard campers at base even just a powerup to just divert attention around the level (which can be done perfectly well with a solid layout (but this is besides the point(right?))).

I think you took one word or phrase and took it slightly seriously or the wrong way, as I do not think platformy levels are bad, look at BBlair for example, there are random platforms everywhere, but that does not make it a bad level. Some levels just are good like that, but it's easier to pull off solid layouts and they usually serve as more strategic layouts too as well as easy to learn as FS said.

On top of this, I generally prefer very solid layouts as do many others. Your way of responding to what I said may be correct, as I might not have needed to use the word "so" in my response which therefore led you to think I meant the level was too platformy, which then led to this very heated debated (olol heated). {dam, wrong brackets}.

[n00b]

Well that was a lovely little discussion and I've walked away a bit more understanding of things. Yay.

[Ragnarok!]

Good times. I enjoyed that. Let's do it again some time.

[Unhit]

I've contemplated it for several other races, for frogs and birds, this level probably won't include that feature, here's a question, does anyone actually think I should try a bird/frog race?

y me!!! :D

oh nm :x

[Raven aka StL]

Jimbob's style at least deviates from all standards, so he's somewhat original...
But is he something else?

(Also, angular leaf formations on trees is INADVISABLE)

[n00b]

While we're at it on the EC, those tree trunks seem to be floating in midair.

[Raven aka StL]

Same for the platforms.

[Speeza]

Maybe you could put that in an article n00b and rag.

[Ragnarok!]

y me!!! :D

oh nm :x

;[. I can make it. ];

Maybe you could put that in an article n00b and rag.

And uhh, what might you be referring to? (Random guess here:) The pros and cons of platformy/solid levels? o.o

[Speeza]

indeed.

[Raven aka StL]

You can't really make standard guidelines for level layouts (or gameplay-systems), because there's so much variation and all kinds of styles can work. (From DW to BBlair to Semi)

[FawFul]

i changed a few things in my level ^_^
i hope u like this original theme of diamondus.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6666/hallowseveuz6.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hallowseveuz6.png)
Enjoy ;)

[Speeza]

Its really nice , I like the purple background ;).
This tileset is so overused.

[Raven aka StL]

Your traits lie elsewhere, 'ful.

[FawFul]

i always liked The diamondus set..
but i saw this overusing to, so that's why i used the normal version with Garden Pallette... and i try to be original ;)

** Btw, Emp. i don't get what u mean, it feels like u really think (just like the previous time) this level is kinda (-) piece. It's not forbidden to say.. but just say it not so complicated

[Jimbob]

Oooh nice, but lol (-)(-)(-) is up with spaz's face? XD

[n00b]

Have you never seen the idle animations?

[Speeza]

Indeed , like the one on my sig looks pretty good. Looks like a cop :P.
But I like faws levels

[FawFul]

thx speeza

jimbob: Well, i just were standing over there and i did printsreen, later in paint i saw i actually did it better than i thought :p because of the animation.
it looks like = WEE WEE, LOOK AT THE LEVELNAME or sth.. xD.
lol nvm :D.

[snzspeed]

Your traits lie elsewhere, 'ful.

stop discouraging people. :/

that screen looks nice, faw

[Raven aka StL]

Just trying to lead them down a path they're at least distantly prepared for.

[snzspeed]

Just trying to lead them down a path they're at least distantly prepared for.

jj2 needs more active levelmakers.. you should not discourage people like that. i mean, behavior like that can make other people discouraged aswell.. like me for example :/

[FireSworD]

Hold on. Give fawful more time to develop before coming to such conclusions.

[Speeza]

Just trying to lead them down a path they're at least distantly prepared for.

Thats why we have reviews emp :-)

[PurpleJazz]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2046/jazz0003qn8.png

Very early beta of the level so far; I don't have much else to show.

[Stijn]

Just trying to lead them down a path they're at least distantly prepared for.

Jesus emp stop being the pretentious prick that you seem to be judging by pretty much every post of yours in this thread please. You are not the reincarnation of Shakespeare nor are you level design guru #1 who has the right to judge whether someone has talent or not by a few screenshots, so do us a favour and stop acting like you are either of those.

[Speeza]

Jesus someone needed to say that. THANK THE LORD AND STIJN .

faw why weren't you hosting your level , I wanted to see it toay.
I'm gonna try makeing some levels , but trying to use tiltesets what haven't been used much. Its hard as most of those tilesets are rubbish.

[Eigus]

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8320/supernova1kk7.png

some pretty early stuff. not much to show yet. and unnamed too :[

[Ragnarok!]

I'm sorry to side against you Emp, but what everyone else says makes sense, it's really unfair to be discouraged in levelmaking, I know you dont like it, and neither did I. Rather than saying he can't make levels, why not suggest what's wrong in your view? Not that I see anything wrong...

Also, Eigus and PJ, they look great, but to Eigus, I have a few things to say about your level... The EC you used looks nice but you shouldnt use a tile you used in the background in the foreground, unless you style it differently, which I don't see it faded to a diff. colour. If you have a spare layer handy, use a translucent tile to make it look darker just so that people don't confuse foreground with background... Or I don't confuse it. Other than that, they all look great.

As for me, this is part of my new race, not the most exciting part, but hi.

<a href="http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=egpekcs1.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2461/egpekcs1.th.png" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a>

[Eigus]

:confused:

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8693/supernova1ragcorrectioncp5.png

...hm, maybe something like this? Darkened the background bricks (had to remove mountains). 'Closed-park-in-a-city' feeling without those mountains IMO. :confused:

[Hitch]

I liked your last screen shot included with the mountains. Is there a way you can just ignore using those darkened bricks in the background and use something else? You probably know the tileset more than me, so I wouldn't know.

[Ragnarok!]

Hm yeah, I think I kinda made you ruin that... Sorry. Usually I never use the same tile on a different layer, the mountains probably looked better ;P

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/CarrotusFalls1.png?t=1203227168">
This time it's going to be a battle level
Layers 3 through 7 can make for some pretty impressive eyecandy btw

[Sacrush]

Looks pretty good Jimbob, but I can spot some tilebugs here and there.

[shaney]

JFF brings to you an idea, the 8 Way team race , 8 sided race , 4 teams of 2 teams a level shaped in an Star , who ever wants to create this enginius coop race will damn sure be proud cause revolutioning Just for fun

[snzspeed]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/CarrotusFalls1.png?t=1203227168">
This time it's going to be a battle level
Layers 3 through 7 can make for some pretty impressive eyecandy btw

looks like my level with fixed carrotus

[Raven aka StL]

Looks wuh-nuh-beh.

Also, 'training' levelmakers shouldn't be recruited into solid levelmaking groups.
Quantity might increase while overall quality plummets.

[Grytolle]

Emperor, did you read Stijn's post?

[n00b]

Also, 'training' levelmakers shouldn't be recruited into solid levelmaking groups.
Quantity might increase while overall quality plummets.

I fail to see what this has to do with anything currently happening in the thread.

[Odin]

Looks wuh-nuh-beh.

Also, 'training' levelmakers shouldn't be recruited into solid levelmaking groups.
Quantity might increase while overall quality plummets.

By now it is plainly obvious that despite numerous kind requests to stop acting elitist to every single level designer here that isn't Cooba or EvilMike-caliber, you continue to spout discouraging and sometimes downright rude remarks to level designers. I have therefore come to the conclusion that you are <del>[...]</del> killing the community. I highly suggest you stop acting like an (-) to everybody or else I am certain Stijn will make you.

Stijn edit: that one was a little over the edge.

[FawFul]

i agree with the others.. my traits doesn't lie anywere D: .. when i am building a level, and it is halffinished, i get much better ideas, that means that i'm learning fast :), the worse thing is; finishing the level, when you know you got better ideas, but in jcs u always learn =D
be one of the players that plays longest jj2 doesn't make u the man, the time doesn't matter, u make yourself the man yourself.

[Birdie]

JFF brings to you an idea, the 8 Way team race , 8 sided race , 4 teams of 2 teams a level shaped in an Star , who ever wants to create this enginius coop race will damn sure be proud cause revolutioning Just for fun

If 'JJF' is so great, why can't they make it themselfs?

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/CarrotusFalls2.png?t=1203296077">

[n00b]

Quite like the eyecandy, good job Jimbob.

[Speeza]

Whoa Jimbob that looks great , you really have improved ^^.
Lol wasn't snooze also useing that tileset for a recent level as well. :P

[Grytolle]

Lol wasn't snooze also useing that tileset for a recent level as well. :Plol he said so a few posts above u

[Raven aka StL]

I shall take this moment to respect your opinions on the case, while refraining from announcing mine, again.

Nevertheless A) Stijn is an ordinary human being, who can make mistakes. Not an omnipotent being who knows everything and B) I gotta talk to those with (pointless) authority about this, carry on.

... Good work, Jimbob and Fawful.

[Eigus]

No, the first level is not finished. I just started the second one :P

ok...

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9184/supernova2tb7.png

This is almost everything that's done in the level for now. There are just a few tiles in this level that aren't in this screen.

[Hitch]

I actually like the look of that level. I'm looking forward to see more of 02 in the future.

[Eigus]

Thanks. By the way, it's the first non-symmetrical level in Supernova.

[FawFul]

Thx for the comment anyway emperor, but now it's a bit late for me.. if they didn't said to you that u were doing redicolous, then u wouldn't changed ur mind to say it actually looks fine.otherways, i have the feeling that u don't really mean what u just said, but only said this because others had comments on you.:|

[Stijn]

Eigus, what font is that in your signature image?

[Eigus]

Deltafonte or something like that. Can't really remember.

[shaney]

If 'JJF' is so great, why can't they make it themselfs?



cause JFF only creates the idea,s:P for fannatics



, Themirdor:P pwns once again

[Sacrush]

I actually started a level with carrotus fix a while back, so you all wannabe me. (although my level is just design and no EC I can say you stole my EC when I release it although I will steal your EC.)

[Jimbob]

LOL ;<hi>p

[Eigus]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2610/supernova21er4.png

made more stuff, added moths & light.

[Odin]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/CarrotusFalls2.png?t=1203296077">

Excellent work with the background, though in my opinion layer 4 needs work. Nonetheless amazing job.

[Jimbob]

Updated screenshot:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/CarrotusFalls3.png?t=1203367878">

<img src="http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2610/supernova21er4.png">
Looks really nice, Eigus! Keep it up!

[SPAZ18]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9180/rfhfl8.jpg

I decided to call this level "Rabbits From HELL."

@Eigus & Jimbob: Looks awesome.

Darn, why'd I use JPG? It looks rubbish.

[PurpleJazz]

@ Eigus: Avoid using that much rain in the foreground, and add more eyecandy into the walls, right now they look pretty bland. Other than that, looks cool.

[n00b]

To play the devil's advocate, I think the rain level is fine, since it doesn't really hinder the player's vision all that much unless its going at an extremely fast speed.

I mean, it could be extremely worse:
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Lijik/KansasLevel/negameg.png

[Raven aka StL]

Thx for the comment anyway emperor, but now it's a bit late for me.. if they didn't said to you that u were doing redicolous, then u wouldn't changed ur mind to say it actually looks fine.otherways, i have the feeling that u don't really mean what u just said, but only said this because others had comments on you.:|

That's a bunch of bull.
I sometimes get annoyed for random stuff, forgive me.

And it's Emp or St. Louis, god(-)

[Eigus]

@ Eigus: Avoid using that much rain in the foreground, and add more eyecandy into the walls, right now they look pretty bland. Other than that, looks cool.

Yeah, the walls need work, but the level was just started yesterday so there's still lots of stuff to add :-)

Also, because I never commented:

@ Jimbob: Looks sweet, but there are still tilebugs in the walls :|

[FawFul]

ah, ok emp. now it's clear to me :)

[Grytolle]

It be for eternity "Emperor"!

[Caffne]

That's a bunch of bull.
I sometimes get annoyed for random stuff, forgive me.

And it's Emp or St. Louis, god(-)

Who stole your manners, Wallace?

[snzspeed]

hey.. i know this is kinda offtopic but this is a jcs thread, not gry + random people vs stlouis thread..

[Raven aka StL]

Thanks for pointing that out... late.

Btw, provide screens or a run down on levels you're working / going to work on.

[cooba]

hey.. i know this is kinda offtopic but this is a jcs thread, not gry + random people vs stlouis thread..It's not a "stop jcsing immediately, your judicious trails lie elsewhere......" thread either

[SPAZ18]

Well, seems I still got a lot more things to do to my level.
One of the things I want to do is put in pits that last for 30 seconds and then go back to normal. Anyone know if this is possible?
I know how to do re-spawning Trig Crates already.

[Eigus]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6281/supernova11ee0.png

The base. :P Should've changed direction, Eva's standing in the air...

[Hitch]

Hm, and the springs could get in the way...

[Ragnarok!]

So jump over them.

[Nonomu198]

Isn't that the point?

[Unhit]

Others said that already afaik, but the red bricks look weird since you seem to use them in layer 4 (at least from the perception, under the platform on the right) and in the background if i see that correctly. Also, they look a bit weird right above your character imo. I'd change that part and remove them from the mud under that platform.

[Jimbob]

<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/PJgarden.png?t=1203554161">
I DID NOT rip off his level. I'm just simply making a level with the carrotus fix diam. set D:
EDIT: filtered out all the IP's
<hr>Anyways: back on-topic:
<img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc140/jimbobjj2/CarrotusFalls4.png?t=1203554378">

[Hitch]

I honestly think this level is Jimbobs own work. I mean, it's not like he's gone tile for tile on some stuff. And he's put his time into this as well. There might be a few eyecandy ideas that are from Legends but that's perfectly fine, I mean if you don't go crazy with, it's fine.

[Ragnarok!]

;o. Well I just got bored of making races, and then I came up with the perfect idea for an unconventional CTF, let's just say it's gonna feel like a battle level. o_O. Not that this really explains much.

[Raven aka StL]

Looking forward to that.

I'm also planning a pack that will feature levels from multiple other games.
The concept is most likely ctf.
But I'm a dammed slow worker so this can be expected early 2009 for now.

[Nonomu198]

No racing for you!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:(

[Ragnarok!]

Lol... It's only one CTF ;[

But this is no ordinary CTF. IT HAS ALL THE GUNS BABY. Ok not all of them. ALL OF THEM BUT PEPPERMINT BABY. YEAH! Ok that doesn't really help does it? ;[

[n00b]

You know if you place a bit of pepper spray ammo in an impossible to reach but still visible location you could essentially claim it has all of the guns.

[Raven aka StL]

Pepper > ice

[Ragnarok!]

True. I suppose I can put a PU in the wall that's unreachable. Also, ice owns when you're playing in a level with very annoying pits (loads of tiny platforms that are 0.5 tiles wide) even though you can run accross them, but there's just that slight chance that if you get frozen with the right timing... BANG (cue to go boom and die). Also, you'd be hanging around the bottom, because of the fact that the PUs are there, and stuff. I'm specifically designing this to feel different; feel free (actually I'd rather you felt obliged) to ask for more detail elsewhere. ;]

[DoubleGJ]

I have to agree, pits brought a real purpose of use for Frostbiter into battle mode. Actually I'm starting to think it's one of the most gimmicky weapons... Let's see what it can do:
-good for race games
-freeze players in mid-air to make them lose momentum and fall
-bounce off frozen enemies by running into them
-freeze platforms to make them stop spinning or swinging
-after shooting a speedless platform to swing freeze it at highest point to reach a ledge
-freezing a witch makes it much easier to kick or punch her
-freeze a spring to pass through it
-freeze a box, rock, morph or powerup to make it move by itself once pushed, so it can be pushed off ledges and then move from the wall to be pushed further

What else? I'm sure I missed something.

[Ragnarok!]

Yep. Ice might just beat bouncer and RFs as my favourite weaps... Maybe.

[Puffie40]

Pepper spray:
-Only gun that can destroy speed blocks
-are almost invisible
-when aiming up, shots will gently angle towards the top. (45-degree shots are possible!)
-

[n00b]

Interesting, I wasn't aware Pepperspray could destroy speed blocks. That just gave me a rather cool idea.

[Violet CLM]

Pepper spray:
-Only gun that can destroy speed blocks
-
So can electroblasters. Or I think if you set speed to 1 but also set weapon to some number, they'll be speed blocks that are also vulnerable to specific weapons, though I don't really know why you'd want that.

[Sacrush]

I've putted frostbites in Extraterrestrials, shame no one uses it when playing in that level. It's so useful.

[Puffie40]

UR: I just tested it out, and you are correct: Electroblasters (Along with TNT - that's a given) can destroy speedblocks. I got the assumption that Pepper was the onlyone from the blurredD's groundforce series. I just jumped to the conclusion and did no testing. :-)


Some more work on my Spacestation levelset. This is level 7, but it's only the second major level I've worked on...

http://www.maj.com/gallery/puffie40/Jazzavatar/Screenshots/l7ss.jpg

http://www.maj.com/gallery/puffie40/Jazzavatar/Screenshots/l7ss2.jpg

Don't you feel excited about it like you would if more DNF screenshots were released? :p

[Birdie]

http://imagespark.net/files/malch.png

[n00b]

image

Best eyecandy in a jj2 level, and the design is just blowing me away.

[Raven aka StL]

@ Puffie: That looks quite interesting, I'll look forward to finding out more.

And...
http://imagespark.net/files/malch.png

SIT REPES PERSE, GJ!! :D:D

[Xobim]

Some more work on my Spacestation levelset. This is level 7, but it's only the second major level I've worked on...
[pikkies]
Don't you feel excited about it like you would if more DNF screenshots were released? :pAre all your spacestations in TOP3 style? Gah, that tileset is waaaay to useful. You did seem to have mastered it very well. Those screens look neat!

[Hitch]

Alright, so I haven't posted anything here about Memories 2 or any news in awhile. So far, 01 and 02 are complete. 03 hasn't been started and 04 is 99% on it's way to completion. As for the Castle only tilesets deal, as you can see, I've decided to cross that idea out since there happens to be only a limited amount. Now for some photos.

04:

http://imagespark.net/files/xlmm2rg04p1.png

http://imagespark.net/files/xlmm2rg04p2.png

http://imagespark.net/files/xlmm2rg04p3.png

[Nonomu198]

Nice stuff.

Well anyway I'm making a level... no fancy eyecandy (yet)



http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6015/nonomulevel1screen1nr2.png

See how boring it is with no eyecandy? Look at Jazz. Even Jazz is bored. The
silly little Jazz is (-)ing bored.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6718/nonomulevel1screen2xz8.png

It's realy empty now but don't worry.


http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/226/nonomulevel1screen3vx4.png


I realy like this part.




So... yah. I hope I will get this one... you know, done. Having hard time with tubes with this tileset ):. I'l try to make a battle level where you can go around easly roasting people while runing away... I hope I'l get more creative then some springs and tubes....

[TripleJ]

Just let you guys know that I'm not gona finish my street fight pack.

[Birdie]

[img]

some of those look like battle1. :l

[Nonomu198]

some of those look like battle1. :l

Ah... no. Maybe a little, but not realy if you see the rest of the level. Most of this "rest of the level" is mostly still in my mind, so I didn't give any screenshots of that.

[Puffie40]

Are all your spacestations in TOP3 style? Gah, that tileset is waaaay to useful. You did seem to have mastered it very well. Those screens look neat!

I have a failed CTF level, general toying around and EvilMike to thank for my mastery! :p

As it is, 3 of the levels are going to be TOP3. Level 7 (I should use that term lightly as I may add more levels in between :) ) is what I have planned to be the last playable level of the pack.

[Hitch]

Just let you guys know that I'm not gona finish my street fight pack.

Why not ;(

[TripleJ]

Why not ;(

Out of ideas or I'm just too lazy :P

[Raven aka StL]

Street Fight isn't really worth wasting time for.

[Grytolle]

"for"?

[Raven aka StL]

Making levels for it.

[Ragnarok!]

I think it's off topic that you're saying we're going off topic. Neh. I feel like making a preview thing like they do for Smash Bro's Dojo. ;o You know, pic, cool title and description then blahblah, then a cool cliffhanger ending. ;)

[DarkSonic]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1167/cccollab01lh5.th.png (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cccollab01lh5.png)

LOL IT'S A PLATFORM LIFT!

[Valco]

I'd say that looks cool, but I would never lie to you.

My 'Dinner of Disaster' pack's going well, I'll put some screenies here soon.

[CrimiClown]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1167/cccollab01lh5.th.png (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cccollab01lh5.png)

LOL IT'S A PLATFORM LIFT!

LAWLSOME

[Valco]

I never understood the word 'Lawl'. It's slang that actually LENGTHENS what it derives from, and it doesn't stand for anything.

Rawful!

[EvilMike]

Alright, so I haven't posted anything here about Memories 2 or any news in awhile. So far, 01 and 02 are complete. 03 hasn't been started and 04 is 99% on it's way to completion. As for the Castle only tilesets deal, as you can see, I've decided to cross that idea out since there happens to be only a limited amount. Now for some photos.

04:

http://imagespark.net/files/xlmm2rg04p1.png

http://imagespark.net/files/xlmm2rg04p2.png

http://imagespark.net/files/xlmm2rg04p3.png

I have always thought that dark tilesets should not be used for multiplayer levels. Bright colours are easier to see, which makes levels more playable. Making things hard to see in single player is ok because it can make things harder, but making a multiplayer level "hard" is usually bad, especially if it has pits.

[FireSworD]

Yeah, obstacles that are hard for the sake of being hard are not good (Midn's black out concept for example) . I don't mind obstacles like pits if they add a tactic or something that would justify them being there.

[EvilMike]

I meant pits are bad if the level is so dark it's hard to see them in time. Pits themselves are fine if it's easy to spot them.

[Raven aka StL]

But you have to admit that Hitch isn't a bad JCSer, taking into consideration his lack of experience.
And I totally agree with you about death pits.

[Ragnarok!]

I really don't see why it's so hard to see the masks and stuff there, I see it just fine, or maybe you're just implying in general. All you really need to look for is the green on top of the platform ;o

[Nonomu198]

Edit the tileset and put a shiny green goo on the grass on the platform!...... that will be so cool ;(

[EvilMike]

<img src="http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7169/devres44undergroundrivejq5.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

This level doesn't even have any parallaxing background (it's all speed 1) but I'm rather happy with how it looks anyway. Aside from the abundant waterfalls, drops of water fall down from the ceiling pretty much everywhere. But they stop once they hit the water. I hate it when people make levels where rain/waterfalls continues under water. WATER DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT

[FireSworD]

Mike, that looks inspiring.

[Ðx]

Carrottuz <3

[Raven aka StL]

That's so goddamn my line, FS...

In fact I was going to reply with those exact words before I read your post.

[Ragnarok!]

Undulation

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5655/01zx6.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Looks like you finally made another CTF Rag.
It actually might not look like it, but I am implying it right?

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3146/02vu6.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Hmm… Seems familiar…
Well, I admit, I’ve used this tile-set about 5 times now in levels. This probably has a VERY different feel to any other level in this set though (other than my race), as it uses the set very differently.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7073/03ln3.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Great Stuff!
Ooh I found a power-up! I wonder what’s with that hole in front of me, it looks evil.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3690/04vc7.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Whoa! That looks dangerous...
It might not actually feel as deadly as it actually is, as you might be able to walk across it, but who’s to say someone isn’t going to freeze you? Well, if they do, you’ll just become yet another victim of the deadly traps set out in this level.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/548/05dt4.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
OWNED
If you fall, I've provided visual help (provided you can read) to know when you have been "OWNED." Well, looks like I’m a victim myself… I’ll take this moment to point out the background looks purple; more red than blue too. You might not see it fully in this small image, but I’ll add that it makes a wonderful landscape. (++bias)

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1795/06vg7.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Ooh, carrot!
But if this is CTF, I’d want a Full NRG not a +1… Well, that’s too bad. This level has no Full NRG, just 4 carrots placed around the level. It’s not that bad though, you can probably run from each one to the next quite easily.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/455/07kz2.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Hmm, toaster…
Well, I’ll take this moment to add that this level has six power-ups. It’s up to you to find their location and find out how to get them safely. By that I mean that most of them are located in dangerous places, such as the Toaster power-up shown in the image is unfortunately above a pit. Also, you might notice that I’m using an Electro Blaster in the picture. They are quite hard to obtain in this level, unless you go exploring or maybe just some good thinking… Doing so will probably lead you to some unexpected secrets which might just give you the edge you need to beat those other players.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3604/08rp3.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
Perfect!
Aha, I know this is almost everyone’s favorite power-up, and I’m about to take it. But it feels like I’m being blown into something; probably that tube… If you’re in this situation, you’d probably do best to get back; the arrows are there for a reason, to keep you safe. Here, in my level, I take the general welfare of my players very seriously.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2259/09sm4.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/>
What about the CTF bases? I thought this was a CTF…
Well it is, and I won’t reveal too much, but you’re going to have to find an area that looks like this. The window is a warp, thus the arrows around it emphasizing that you must touch it. There is another one of these in the level, and for your information (that’s very stupid to say because this whole thing is for your information) it is quite hard to camp.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5557/10wx9.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a><br/><a href="http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=517&i=10wx9.png"><img src="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5557/10wx9.73dcac4ae6.jpg" border="0"></a>
What? What’s Chaos Mode?

All I will say, are things are about to get a little more interesting... I’ve said too much. You’ll see soon enough.

I apologize for taking up so much space.

[Nonomu198]

some great level with a great flaw
(-) not the "OWNED" agin! delete it! I hate this "OWNED"! (-)!

...well nice level. How long are you working on it agin?

[Ragnarok!]

...He does?

And answer to first question : Yeah.. 3 days?

[Eigus]

Eh, wait, what.

Hitch's using Jungle 2.0 Storm, Evilmike's using Carrotus Fix Midnight. <s>right?</s>

btw nice Rag.

[cooba]

Jungle Midnight Storm Fix v1.00g >:<!>|

[Eigus]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9495/supernova31sf6.png

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8750/supernova32af1.png

[Ragnarok!]

I see a tile bug D:

Other than that, nice work.

[Birdie]

http://imagespark.net/files/bawins.png

[Valco]

Man, that's gonna be hard on the eyes to play.

[Hitch]

Finally I get to see it. "Birdie always wins." Flag Run <33

[Eigus]

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2371/supernova41fixbj3.png

The last Supernova level. Just started it.

[Raven aka StL]

Gj Burd and Rag.

[Valco]

Hey everyone, I'm almost finished my TOTALLY SECRET NEVER BEFORE MENTIONED IN PUBLIC PROJECT.

It's called Desert Trench Warfare, my first CTF level. It's in the final testing stages now, and if you'd like to help betatest, I'll be on during the day on the 1.24 server. Here's some screenies:

Jazz valiantly pokes his eye out with a carrot:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6519/dtwscreenie1yn1.png


A powerup! But how to reach it...
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3695/dtwscreenie2qk9.png


Take cover in your weapons bunker!
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7826/dtwscreenie3lu9.png


Please tell me the pictures worked, all I did was copy and paste the images themselves.

[CrimiClown]

I see a tile bug D:

Other than that, nice work.

I've began to accept that as standard in Beach tilesets.

[Valco]

Desert Trench Warfare is complete! You can download it here:
http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=5018

[Ragnarok!]

Looks great Valco. I'll review it soon if you want =P

[Valco]

Thanks Ragnarok, I'd really appreciate it if you did. <STRIKE>Remember to give it a 10</STRIKE>

[Ragnarok!]

Sure, I'll do it when I get time ;)

[DoubleGJ]

@Eigus' Supernova3: I can't make out what is solid and what is not D:

[TripleJ]

@Eigus' Supernova3: I can't make out what is solid and what is not D:

Same :(

[Valco]

I'm pretty sure the mesh gates are background & the plain stuff is solid. Hard to tell though.

[EvilMike]

<img src="http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2272/devres46townof2.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/>

Town level. Everyone has to hide underground in the secret tunnels :(

[cooba]

EM: it would be a definite plus if that tileset edit (and that other one) featured rabbits with non-default fur colors.

[EvilMike]

Maybe I'll do that. Personally I don't think it makes that big a difference. I'm curious as to what other people think now.

[Puffie40]

If you do add colored rabbits, make sure you use screenshots from multiplayer games or somthing. Karazickle's world used spaz rabbits that were just tinted, and they looked pretty bad...

Coloring the other rabbits makes the player look unique in the level, and that's good eyecandy :)

[Valco]

Is this an addition to your ongoing levelpack? If not, I'm still excited to <STRIKE>rip off your ideas </STRIKE>see your work.

[n00b]

As long as theres no two NPCs of the same rabbit next to each other, I don't think its that big of an issue. However if there is an instance of something like two Spaz-types in close proximity, different colors would be a nice touch.

[Valco]

Unless they're uniformed soldiers or schoolrabbits.

[EvilMike]

As long as theres no two NPCs of the same rabbit next to each other, I don't think its that big of an issue. However if there is an instance of something like two Spaz-types in close proximity, different colors would be a nice touch.
Yeah I have them ordered so there's no repetition like that. Now that I think of it I might put in a specially coloured jazz for a certain character in the area who is unique (the rest are just generic talking signposts).

[Unhit]

Town level. Everyone has to hide underground in the secret tunnels :(

That's so sad :(

Also, I think it'd be cool if the NPC have different, non-standard colours. But it'd be even better if they were animated (maybe they are, hard to tell from the screenshot (!)). Both would be wonderful, albeit not necessary, though.

[Violet CLM]

I decided a while back that unless you're modeling specific community members or something, the standard rabbit shapes, even recolored, are just kind of cheap. We've seen lots of rabbits and none of them look like Jazz or Spaz with different colors. Get some custom sprites in there, especially if they're not even animated.

[EvilMike]

ok draw them for me and I'll put them in right away

[Odin]

Town level. Everyone has to hide underground in the secret tunnels :(

Looks superb, can't wait to play it.

[Bboy Type7]

town level sounds pretty nice. i'll be sure to check it out

[Valco]

So back to my original question:

Is this a part of your ongoing levelpack?

[EvilMike]

The filenames reveal everything.

[PurpleJazz]

Started work on Legends ][ today. Haven't got any screens to show yet, but I will say that it will have multiple level types unlike Legends I, and it will be around twice the size.

[Raven aka StL]

Awesome. :)

[Valco]

I know that you mean 'Legends II' PurpleJazz, but the way you put the two square brackets looks like 'Legends I' which would mean the original. Maybe put 'Legends ][ ][' or 'Legends II' to avoid confusion? Besides me being overly picky about the name, I can't wait for it's release. <STRIKE>Give me credit because I said so.</STRIKE>

[n00b]

][ is commonly accepted as II in the Jazz Community.

[Puffie40]

Unless you are a Descent ][ fan. :p :p :p

[Stijn]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/208/guimoteaserxq7.png
Warning: teaser-resizing hides the fact that this is a 2x2 pixel tileset (tiles of 16x16 have been blown up to be jazz-compatible 32x32)

[Violet CLM]

<img src="http://www.geocities.com/pedroguimo/1d.gif">
Interesting. Somewhat limited color palette, but all the curviness should lead to some nice designs.

[Stijn]

Violet knows the classics! 8)

If you have any idea on how to rip the background, please tell me. Cutting and pasting it together from screenshots is as good as impossible :(

[Valco]

I wonder when people stopped listening to the title and just started putting whatever they were planning on uploading, Stijn's tileset for example. There's nothing wrong with that, but I guess the thread's very gradually derailing a wee bit. Anyways...

I'm getting started on a five-level race pack. It was originally going to be called 'G race' which stood for Gerard's race, but I changed the name to 'Grace' because it sounded cool. I don't have any screenies at the moment, but I'm probably taking some as you read this. I'll edit my post once I have some.

[Violet CLM]

Violet is able to click on filenames and use Google! If not speak Brazilian. Anyway... it is my suspicion that the background (probably in the form of a standard image file, given that it's just a single non-transparent plane) is stored somehow inside of the .jbc file, which is a BestCrypt Virtual Disk as encrypted/decrypted by <a href="http://www.jetico.com/bcrypt8.htm">Jetico.</a> I have enough self-control not to lose even more time tonight by downloading it myself and trying it out, but I would guess that it's somehow password protected and therefore inaccessible... on the other hand, I could be wrong. I don't know of any extraction utilities for the game, so assuming it is password-protected, screenshots are probably your best bet.

[Raven aka StL]

Guimo ftw. Awesome set, finish it fast.

[MoonBlazE]

ok draw them for me and I'll put them in right away
I can draw you a few rabbit sprites, it wouldn't take long.

[Stijn]

Violet is able to click on filenames and use Google! If not speak Brazilian. Anyway... it is my suspicion that the background (probably in the form of a standard image file, given that it's just a single non-transparent plane) is stored somehow inside of the .jbc file, which is a BestCrypt Virtual Disk as encrypted/decrypted by <a href="http://www.jetico.com/bcrypt8.htm">Jetico.</a> I have enough self-control not to lose even more time tonight by downloading it myself and trying it out, but I would guess that it's somehow password protected and therefore inaccessible... on the other hand, I could be wrong. I don't know of any extraction utilities for the game, so assuming it is password-protected, screenshots are probably your best bet.
Doesn't work :( BestCrypt doesn't allow me to find out whether the file is not a valid BestCrypt file or the password is simply invalid. If converting old DOS games has learned me anything it is that their resource file extensions usually don't say much. I tried my trusty Game Extractor (http://www.watto.org/extract/info.html) tool but that didn't work either. Thanks for your help anyway.

Now I will contemplate whether to spend hours on getting that background or to go with my current textured alternative...

[Valco]

From what I can see in that itty bitty image (Hooray magnification feature), the textured alternative sounds better.

[Sacrush]

Now I will contemplate whether to spend hours on getting that background or to go with my current textured alternative...

You can also make a background yourself that looks like it.

[Ragnarok!]

I wonder when people stopped listening to the title and just started putting whatever they were planning on uploading, Stijn's tileset for example. There's nothing wrong with that, but I guess the thread's very gradually derailing a wee bit. Anyways...

I'm getting started on a five-level race pack. It was originally going to be called 'G race' which stood for Gerard's race, but I changed the name to 'Grace' because it sounded cool. I don't have any screenies at the moment, but I'm probably taking some as you read this. I'll edit my post once I have some.


Race eh? Finally some competition >DD

[Valco]

Race eh? Finally some competition >DD

There won't be any competition once you see these screenshots of:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7064/gracelogojn4.jpg


Spaz investigates 'Radioactive Death Trap'
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6025/gracepic2iz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)


Jazz finds himself in a stinky situation in 'Sewer Run'
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5126/gracepic1da4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/)


I hope all of you guys enjoy it when it's released. I'm planning four levels in total, Radioactive Death Trap, Sewer Run, Temple of Shifting Sand, and King of the Hill.


BY THE WAY:
I am in no way a newbie to levelmaking. I just don't upload much. Please no comments like 'Nice levels for a newbie' please. Treat me as if cooba or EvilMike made this. And also, try not to reply to this comment if you don't have anything to say about the levels.

[Bboy Type7]

tileset looks great, stijin. Reminds me of a great shooting game called ARC which had tiles designed like that.

[EvilMike]

I am in no way a newbie to levelmaking. I just don't upload much. Please no comments like 'Nice levels for a newbie' please. Treat me as if cooba or EvilMike made this. And also, try not to reply to this comment if you don't have anything to say about the levels.

Alright I'll treat those screenshots as if I made them.





WHAT THE HELL. I don't remember making those levels. Have I been making levels in my sleep again?

[n00b]

Valco- Eyecandy is rather decent, good job. Granted I'm probably the easiest to impress here on the eyecandy front, but whatever.

Design looks bland but I find a lot of screenshots in this thread look bland on a design-only basis

[Stijn]

tileset looks great, stijin. Reminds me of a great shooting game called ARC which had tiles designed like that.
"IJ" is a diphtong, no need for an additional "i". And thanks. Where can I find this game ARC?

[Valco]

Alright I'll treat those screenshots as if I made them.





WHAT THE HELL. I don't remember making those levels. Have I been making levels in my sleep again?

Very funny. Now tell me what you think of 'your' levels. :rolleyes:
I already said not to reply to that comment, but to keep it in mind. Anyways...

[snzspeed]

Some screens of the upcoming New Ages III:

http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na301611.jpg
http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na302581.jpg
http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na303807.jpg
http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na304560.jpg
http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na305827.jpg
http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na306994.jpg

Im trying to release it for friday..

[DarkSonic]

Snooze, those screenshots look nice, but that's no wonder because I've seen the levels and those are really good as well ;0

I'll post some screenshots of the almost finished Impressions ع later.

[Raven aka StL]

Good job Snz. I'll look forward to the release.

[Bboy Type7]

"IJ" is a diphtong, no need for an additional "i". And thanks. Where can I find this game ARC?

I think they shut the game down, but the game client and stuff are availible to play. It's online play also. I'm in love with the game's tiles.

http://forums.arc-hq.net/viewtopic.php?t=26869

[DarkSonic]

Here are the screenshots from some levels of my pack:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5060/xlmiefr01sd4.th.png (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiefr01sd4.png)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1397/xlmiefr02gf4.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiefr02gf4.png)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5600/xlmiebtl03aqm6.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiebtl03aqm6.png)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6011/xlmiebtl04lw3.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiebtl04lw3.png)

[Birdie]

Treat me as if cooba or EvilMike made this.
Your level quality is kind of going down cooba/evilmike, the backgrounds of both your levels look very bland cooba/evilmike, you might want to also consider making screenshots in jj2 rather than of the window, cooba/evilmike.

[Valco]

I knew these kinds of remarks would come from someone. It was a bad idea to put that last part of the post. I'd also like to mention that I'm now working on Temple of the Shifting Sand, the third level in the pack. It uses the Deserto tileset, which I have previously used to create my fifth upload, Desert Trench warfare.

I've also added a little advertisement to my signature, so anyone who doesn't visit this thread can still now about Grace: The Ultimate Race Experience.

<STRIKE>This post is just an advertisement so that you look at my previous uploads.</STRIKE>

[Unhit]

http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/na305827.jpg

May I recommend naming this level "Stonetalon Mountains" or "Desolace" please?

[snzspeed]

May I recommend naming this level "Stonetalon Mountains" or "Desolace" please?

well the level isnt really mountain themed so :P

[Unhit]

But the background is : - (

[Birdie]

I knew these kinds of remarks would come from someone.

While I did use cooba/evilmike, all the advice was real.

[Valco]

But the background is : - (

I haven't played the whole level myself, but it just looks like a beach to me. Anyways, since most of you are bugging me about my final comment on the screenshots for my level, I'd like to ask that you rate these levels as if I had made them. Be honest, and for peats sake, if your planning on talking back to this too, AT LEAST review the level well.

[Raven aka StL]

Your signature is too big.

[snzspeed]

Here are the screenshots from some levels of my pack:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5060/xlmiefr01sd4.th.png (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiefr01sd4.png)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1397/xlmiefr02gf4.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiefr02gf4.png)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5600/xlmiebtl03aqm6.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiebtl03aqm6.png)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6011/xlmiebtl04lw3.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xlmiebtl04lw3.png)

Nice screens, especially the Deso one. :-)

[Unhit]

I haven't played the whole level myself, but it just looks like a beach to me. Anyways, since most of you are bugging me about my final comment on the screenshots for my level, I'd like to ask that you rate these levels as if I had made them. Be honest, and for peats sake, if your planning on talking back to this too, AT LEAST review the level well.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, not all comments are about your level ;D this was for snooze

[snzspeed]

Well NAIII was uploaded. feel free to review or something

[PurpleJazz]

Well NAIII was uploaded. feel free to review or something

Done. ;)

[Valco]

Why won't anyone review my stuff.

[Odin]

Why won't anyone review my stuff.

Might have to do with the fact that you're whiny, annoying, and have a terrible time taking constructive criticism.

[snzspeed]

Done. ;)

thanks :D

[Valco]

What? I can take constructive critisism. Lay it on me, pal.

[Ragnarok!]

Well, I would probably have reviewed your battle by now but it's TSF, I'm very lazy when it comes to TSF. D:. Anyway, I'll do it for you if you want... But still, you needa give me some time D:

[n00b]

What? I can take constructive critisism. Lay it on me, pal.

EARLIER...

Your level quality is kind of going down cooba/evilmike, the backgrounds of both your levels look very bland cooba/evilmike, you might want to also consider making screenshots in jj2 rather than of the window, cooba/evilmike.

I knew these kinds of remarks would come from someone. It was a bad idea to put that last part of the post.

Something here doesn't seem to be adding up.

[Stijn]

I don't really understand how that shows Valco can't take constructive criticism, n00b. As far as I see, he meant that his remark about judging him as if he were Cooba or EvilMike lead to a lot of mockery and that he regretted asking that now.

[Valco]

Exactly! I apologize if I've ever caused you irritation, Stijn. (Yeah, that means apologizing for my existence) If I had said something similar to that, I might not have been taken seriously.

Meantime, I'm still working on the Temple of Shifting Sand. It'll have a mix of gameplay between Radioactive Death Trap and Sewer Run, including jumping around as fast as possible and doing quick challenges. It's still not to the stage where I can show screenshots with decent eyecandy, but hopefully I'll have some soon.

[n00b]

I don't really understand how that shows Valco can't take constructive criticism, n00b. As far as I see, he meant that his remark about judging him as if he were Cooba or EvilMike lead to a lot of mockery and that he regretted asking that now.

Even in the mockery Birdie still brought up points on the level quality and design. Considering that Evilmike had already did the Cooba/Evilmike Shtick I assumed the "kinds of remarks" mentioned in Valco's post was instead referring to the fact that Birdie was not praising the screens.

[Valco]

Not at all, my friend. They did bring up points about quality and design, but seeing as that was being compared to some very famous level makers, I didn't take them seriously. Also, that wasn't at all constructive by my standards, but that's not the point.

[FawFul]

FawFuL Production Presents :

Hallows Eve

Description:

Finally .. here it is.. after such a long time it's finally gonna be released.. (i guess Friday or Satuday. i have worked a long time on it.. it's a big symmerty CTF level especially made for 3v3 or more.. correcting the eyecandy and flow of springs was hardly.. but i am sure now u won't bump fast :D.. this level contains some new ideas i invented myself.. and has a (weird) special layout.. there are 6 kind pu's (freezer 2x <in wall for getting 20 ammo>,pepper 2x <in wall for getting 20 ammo>,seeker 1x <in wall for getting 20 ammo>, rf 1x, toaster 1x, bouncer 1x .. and loads of ammo.. try it.. and have full advantage of a server FULL of players (!) (when it is released ofc :p)
btw.. also look in jcs.. the idea of platforms seems pretty original ;o
and happy searching for lame textstrings.

Here are Some pics, enjoy ;o!

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7348/he1zv7.th.png (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=he1zv7.png)
LOLOL FISHTANK(!)
(not token of snooze ;o)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8665/he2wo7.th.png (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=he2wo7.png)
Hmmmmm Carrots..

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3952/he3rp4.th.png (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=he3rp4.png)
the 2nd carrot in the game

i hope u liked the pictures.. and i also hope ur going to give some attention to this level :D.. otherways i should be so p00r ;/

looking forward to reviews..

for now = SEE YA LATER!

~Faw

[Unhit]

There's a slight tilebug right below the red counter in the 2nd pic, apart from that I like what I see. I just hope the gameplay doesn't suffer too much from the eyecandy which seems slightly distracting at some parts. But it looks good :)

[Valco]

The levels look interesting, but I find that the eyecandy is far too distracting. In all of the pictures, I find so many trees and caves and odd backgrounds, I start to lose where layer 4 starts and ends. Fix that up and it'd be awesome.

[n00b]

Yeah its really hard to determine Layer 4 in the third screenshot, the other two look good tho.

[Valco]

Actually, I'd say that applies to the first screenshot too. Out of every other tree being in the background, one is suddenly solid? The middle one is okay though, covering layer 4 isn't commonly mistaken as solid.

[EvilMike]

Don't make the trees line up vertically like that. Trees do not grow that way. Make their placement more haphazard, so it doesn't look like they were planted in rows.

[Valco]

Agreed. Make the trees one to four tiles off, and it'll look more natural. Also, the author mentioned it being original. Apparently original isn't always good.

[FawFul]

about the banches in the 1st picture.. it's not so hard to see difference.. the speeds are different in layer 6+7... (the water + banches behind where spaz is standing)

*valco.. u are saying the trees are grown up to HIGH? i mean.. the trees of garden brawl are like 20 tiles high...


anyway.. u can better play the level for real comments :D

i know what u guys mean, the pictures look distracting, but i think it's better if u see the level first.. it's hard to know (here) how the level really plays with those pics :l.

[n00b]

I think then that you should post a youtube video, and that should become common practice for levels that may have confusing eyecandy in still images.

Actually, I'd just support youtube vids in general. Its so much easier to tell if a level is going to have good design by watching it in motion instead of going "Nice eyecandy, hope it plays well!"

[FawFul]

how do you know it's confusing.. u never played the level.. it's not so confusing if everyone thinks.. it doesn't confuse me :)

[n00b]

Please show me where I said the level as a whole was confusing.
I just noted that it looked confusing in still images (for emphasis, since apparently it was impossible to see last time or something) which considering that others have mentioned this as well makes it common opinion of sorts.

[Valco]

Exactly.

First of all, I was mentioning the trees were directly near each other. I didn't say anything about the hight. You mentioned that it's a moving background, and that makes it okay, but there was no way for me to tell that the background moved in a still screenshot, as n00b explained.

[Strato]

No it doesn't make it okay, because in that one instance it looks like they were grown in rows anyway. That'll be jarring to the eyes if you're moving and it's like a forest, then it gets all Belgian style.

[Valco]

It's not like you'd be standing still in such an open spot. Chances are you'll be moving so fast you'll only notice it for a second.

[Odin]

It's not like you'd be standing still in such an open spot. Chances are you'll be moving so fast you'll only notice it for a second.

But it's extremely important to work on attention to detail in every spot in the level, regardless of how long you'll pay attention to it. It's about coherency.

[n00b]

Theres a good quote in the "Art of Open Season" book that I'm going to paraphrase: "Its a lot of work to get these small details in, and to be honest the audience will never notice it. They rarely notice something small when its right. They will immediately notice, however, if its wrong."

[Valco]

It's not like fixing the problem would be much of a big deal anyway. If he moves the trees a bit to either side we can stop debating over this.

[Unhit]

Theres a good quote in the "Art of Open Season" book that I'm going to paraphrase: "Its a lot of work to get these small details in, and to be honest the audience will never notice it. They rarely notice something small when its right. They will immediately notice, however, if its wrong."

I totally agree. While it could be irrelevant in big communities where the average standards of levels are lower, the stated quote is definitely is true for JJ2. My experience from WC3 mapping e.g. is that i spend a huge amount of time on improving details which, when ultimately playing online, noone really notices or even cares (nor would they if they were missing). But in the mapping community, they do notice and they do appreciate all that small work. And well, basically, the JJ2 community is a big levelmaking community because many people, or rather, a high percentage of the community, have a fair amount of experience with levelmaking. And they'll pay attention to such things. So heed n00b's warning!

[Odin]

Remember: Your job, as a level designer, is to immerse the player in a world you create. As soon as the player notices something out of place, no matter how small it is, the illusion is broken.

[Stijn]

http://www.stijnpeeters.nl/hd/guimoingame1.png
(first in-game test)

[Valco]

That looks awesome! The tileset's more flexible than I first thought.

[Stijn]

http://stijnpeeters.nl/hd/guimoingame2.png

Currrrves

[Unhit]

real tilesets have curves

[Odin]

Currrrves

I like my tilesets like I like my women









Pixelated and with a simplified color scheme

[Nonomu198]

You know, thats finally a tileset that makes it fell like Jazz and Spazz are rabbits and not (-) huge human rabbits. Imean look how small they are!

[Eigus]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8171/snovactf01ht1.png

new plans: ctf and battle, 6 levels.

this is ctf01 - mire hills